| Author | Message | ||
     Ducxl |
Concede defeat.The voters elected someone else.Resistance is futile. Thank you for your service.But GO HOME! | ||
| Oldog |
There were more than a few irregularities to the election, like the box of ballots why he conceded I don't know but hes not finished =) | ||
| Ducxl |
I REAALY wish Mr. COPY&PASTE would give it a rest. The original thread with this topic is locked so ONLY Mr. COPY&PASTE can give his and his alone OPINIONS. Mr. COPY&PASTE did all he could to keep two other threads alive only to completely abandon them when HIS guy lost.Mr. COPY&PASTE is completely out of control. | ||
| Fb1 |
You win. For now. | ||
| Ducxl |
You're OUT of control sir.Your fight has outgrown this motorcycle message board. Step away from your computer and make a real meaningful attempt to get your guy in. | ||
| Oldog |
 Nice....... | ||
| Fb1 |
Step away from your computer and make a real meaningful attempt to get your guy in. "My" guy conceded his congressional seat to Mr. Murphy this morning. I've followed West's fight in Florida closely, and the level of vote fraud in his district is breathtaking. That said, Mr. West graciously accepted his "loss" this morning, and wished Mr. Murphy well. West fought hard and honorably, but this one was taken from him in spite of his best efforts. So, all that said: I'm open for "meaningful" suggestions on how to support Mr. West in his future endeavors. You don't like my style; that's cool, I don't like yours either. However, I enjoy honest discussion and debate, and I'd be interested in your opinion/s on how I can best support Allen West from here on out. FB | ||
| Geedee |
"The voters elected someone else." Did they? | ||
| Aesquire |
That remains to be seen. But the election is over, despite the fraud. In West's case, there is some evidence that he was robbed. He's just not willing to be as big a jerk as Al Gore. ( Who, BTW, LOST according to an independent recount by the FL newspapers. ) In the case of the Presidential race, I don't think that even the most generous estimates of voter fraud in states like Ohio could mean that Obama Lost. The Military Votes lost/denied/and cheated out of might actually mean that Obama Lost, but it would require a Justice Dept. run by honest men, Not Holder or Napolitano. Read Starship Troopers. | ||
| Fb1 |
FWIW: The original thread with this topic is locked so ONLY Mr. COPY&PASTE can give his and his alone OPINIONS. Yep, I locked it. My thread, my prerogative. But, I didn't lock it to force you to listen to my opinions, I locked it hoping to not have to listen to yours.  Mr. COPY&PASTE did all he could to keep two other threads alive... We've been all through this before. I used the threads to try to promote R&R, and try to demote 0&B. You, and every other liberal on BWB, were invited time and time again to voice your opinions, as well. In fact, several of us, on several occasions, very nearly literally begged 0 fans to explain WHY he earned their support. We seldom got anything in response except for drive-by poopings. Yes, I worked those threads pretty hard, and harmed not a single person nor cost anyone a single cent in the process. Just like TV: You don't like what's on, change the channel. ...only to completely abandon them when HIS guy lost. I didn't "abandon" the threads; the election's over, amigo. Time to move on. Your fight has outgrown this motorcycle message board. Are you OK with threads about shooting down RC drones spying on pigeon hunts, or black guns, or smoked turkeys, or dogs, or Hostess Twinkies, or the evils of capitalism, or music, or science, climate and winter, or Hooklift drivers, etc., etc., etc.? I've known Blake for almost 15 years. If he had a problem with me (or anyone else) starting or posting on political threads, I would have known long, long ago. Change. The. Channel. Mr. COPY&PASTE is completely out of control. Thank you; I'm all choked up. | ||
| Blake |
Rock on FB! Obviously Duc and the voters in West's district are racists. The code words are everywhere. | ||
| Kenm123t |
West was cheated out of a full recount I live 10 miles from St Lucie County Why Gertrude Walker is not in Jail is a Serious question She found " More Ballots in her Office " They counted some areas twice some not at all Wonder why the election official had to be hospitalized when the canvassing board said get a recount done to prevent it from being completed before the dead line. St Lucie county is where the " Hood and the Leos etc moved from dade broward and palm beach county. | ||
| Fb1 |
Ken, I've looked and looked and looked for ANYTHING online about the real whereabouts of Ms. Walker, Democrat. Absolutely nothing. There is nothing to be found about her status - not where she is, not why she is, not when she will be back, not why she had to be "excused" in the first place. NOTHING. You're on the ground there; have you heard anything concrete on her whereabouts? West's district was gerrymandered after he was elected, to boost the Dem:Rep ratio. I've read scuttlebutt to suggest that this *might* have been with some help from the GOP; my take is that liberal Reps are as afraid of West as the frikkin' Dems are. There's also a virtual news blackout on the fact that Pelosi created a SuperPAC earlier this year to fight West, which was funded with $5,000,000 of seed money from Soros. West is Kryptonite to the establishment in DC, and they could NOT let him win in Florida. As I've stated several times, I followed West's fight down there VERY closely. He was robbed, pure and simple. Worse yet, the American people were robbed, again, of our fundamental right to a fair and honest election process. I'm not sure why we should even bother anymore. It's a colossal waste of time and money and energy, since the outcome is determined ahead of time. West isn't done. In fact, his "loss" may turn out to be the best thing that could have happened to him, and US. He's a free agent now, and fighting mad. As am I. Take care, Ferris | ||
| Oldog |
He's a free agent now, and fighting mad. He aint the only one West in '16 the end of the Bull$hit} | ||
| Fb1 |
Oldog, concur 100%. It'd be a HUGE brutal battle, however, against the Hyena Party (Dems), the feckless lapdog mainstream media, and, sadly, many RINO Republicans. West/Palin 2016 has a nice ring to it, and COULD work, if they start right away. The only chance for a viable third party, IMO, is to have political "rock stars" as candidates, and by that I mean folks with gigantic charisma, bulletproof conservative principles, and a wildly enthusiastic national fan base (a massive ground force, if you will). West and Palin SHOULD be able to bring in true conservatives of all stripes, of course, some/much of the black vote, some/much of the female vote, and ought to be able to count on the millions and millions and millions of Americans of all color, gender and creed who are absolutely FED UP with the fetid, inbred, corrupt cesspool that is Washington, DC. Which party would they represent? Republicans? Tea Party? Libertarians? I like the way you think, amigo. | ||
| Oldog |
Ferris I'm Reading Atlas Shrugged, Its disturbing to see the country in its current state and read the book as the parallels are considerable. I like Palin but I don't know if she will sell to the country, Same for West I don't think that the country is ready for a man who will stand his ground, and be open and honest. If he runs he has my vote, I'm glad that Romney ran. Even with every one I run into not liking the situation, many still voted for obama, Like many I can't fathom why except in one instance where the young man gave me an honest answer in that he was afraid that Romney would cut out the pell grants that his wife needed to be able to go to school. Yes if the US makes it to 2016 and I'm still here Oh yeah I would vote for west, the election was likely stolen in florida and I am with you on the gal that parked a box of ballots in her office and did a "partial recount", serious voter fraud issues.. we need to be rid of washingtons moochers and looters, who is John Gault? | ||
| Buellinmke |
The problem is you don't pay attention. Myself and other Obama fans have stated multiple times why he has earned our support. Again - he has my personal support because he has finally upended the healthcare monopoly in this country. You guys just don't get it, do you? These political threads that you copy and paste your talking points in are just echo chambers for your opinions and the opinions that you like to hear. There is no sharing of ideas, no discussion of issues, no compromise and no empathy for those of differing opinions. There is no reason to debate in that kind of environment. If I make a post about how I believe the Bush tax cuts for the rich need to expire as they were designed to do, I just get labeled a moocher. It makes no sense to try to debate name-callers - it's a waste of time. This is exactly the problem with the Republican party and the reason why they lost the presidential election and will continue to lose unless they change. The White House was pretty much given to the Republicans in 2012 - horrible economy, a president that was losing support, etc and you guys blew it. It should have been easy to defeat Obama, but you guys wouldn't compromise. When you alienate women, brown people, non-Christians, poor people, homosexuals, immigrants, etc, you are going to lose. The demographics of the nation have changed and the Republican party needs to figure out how to change if they want to survive. You guys also need to stop salivating over people like Allen West and Sarah Palin - they are losers and will never, ever win a national election. You may not like to hear that, but it's true and the sooner you come to grips with it, the sooner you'll be able to move forward. Really?? West/Palin in 2016???
Also - Rand spelled his name Galt. I don't understand how people that claim they are reading Atlas Shrugged continue to misspell the main character's name. The name is printed thousands of times over and over. How do you miss that if you've been reading the book? | ||
| Oldog |
How do you miss that if you've been reading the book? The same way you miss the fact that the "health care bill" is a huge tax increase for the middle class, That "the rich" pay the lions share of taxes and rich folks are the typical investors that build plants / open businesses to pursue opportunities etc. By Not paying attention... } | ||
| Fb1 |
Joe - Thanks for the well-written reply. I think it may be the longest post/reply from you on one of these threads. I know it takes a lot of time to put thoughts to keyboard, and I, for one, appreciate the effort. The problem is you don't pay attention. I can only speak for myself, but I disagree: I pay attention. I lose interest INSTANTLY if someone does a drive-by, but discussion and debate always earns my attention. Myself and other Obama fans have stated multiple times why he has earned our support. Again - he has my personal support because he has finally upended the healthcare monopoly in this country. I would also disagree with the first part of your comment above - usually we got drive-bys, it seemed. Re: Obamacare, I have HUGE doubts about it's ultimate efficacy - I'm not sure I can point to a single thing that the federal government does efficiently and well - and it's unconstitutional, despite what the SCOTUS said. It was ramrodded down out throats (Pelosi: "You want to know what's in it? You have to pass it first"), and was NOT presented to the American public as a tax (the largest in American history). IMO, the fed gov has NO business FORCING you or me to buy a product. The concept of such goes against every principle laid out in the Constitution. Even if Obamacare was a good program, which I don't think it is, the fed gov has overstepped their bounds, yet again, by forcing this mandate down our throats. You guys just don't get it, do you? Yeah, I get it just fine; that's why I'm so frikkin' mad. These political threads that you copy and paste your talking points in are just echo chambers for your opinions and the opinions that you like to hear. Sigh. One more time: I copy and pasted a lot of stuff that resonated with me and my viewpoints on his this nation should actually function. I've offered up my OPINION plenty of times - as I'm doing now, for example - and the stuff I posted up was meant to help further educate folks who like to be educated, which is why I typically included links for further review. Like what I posted or not (and I know plenty didn't), it was a valuable resource for conservative-minded folks, and I freely admit (again) that I was hoping to take votes away from 0&B and generate votes for R&R. There is no sharing of ideas, no discussion of issues, no compromise and no empathy for those of differing opinions. Sure there is, as long as it's debate and discussion, such as what we're doing now, and not just a rude, childish drive-by. There is no reason to debate in that kind of environment. There's no reason to debate with people who can't debate, regardless of political affiliation, gender, skin color, etc. Speaking again only for myself, I'm enjoying a chance to discuss and debate with you. If I make a post about how I believe the Bush tax cuts for the rich need to expire as they were designed to do, I just get labeled a moocher. I don't recall you ever making this point before; I very easily could be wrong. It makes no sense to try to debate name-callers - it's a waste of time. Concur 100%. This is exactly the problem with the Republican party... The Rep party has LOTS of problems right now, first and foremost they're afraid to be true Republicans. I don't have the time to explain further right now. ...and the reason why they lost the presidential election.... Gifts, the media, and vote fraud was the reason the Rep party "lost" the election. ...and will continue to lose unless they change. Yes, I want the Rep party to change, back to what they're SUPPOSED to represent: Ardent believers in and supporters of a Constitutional Republic. The White House was pretty much given to the Republicans in 2012 - horrible economy, a president that was losing support, etc and you guys blew it. Gifts, help from Pravda, and vote fraud. We didn't blow it, unless you mean we didn't fight dirty. It should have been easy to defeat Obama, but you guys wouldn't compromise. Gifts, Pravda, and vote fraud. Compromise? No thanks. When you alienate women, brown people, non-Christians, poor people, homosexuals, immigrants, etc, you are going to lose. We can thank the media for generating all the phony "alienation." The demographics of the nation have changed and the Republican party needs to figure out how to change if they want to survive. Conservatives need to figure out how to make conservatism cool again. I think it's still possible. You guys also need to stop salivating over people like Allen West and Sarah Palin You're generalizing. - they are losers Not in my book. Maybe in yours, but not in mine. ...and will never, ever win a national election. Perhaps. At least their true to themselves, and true to our nation. That's more than I can say for most politicians, regardless of which side of the aisle they're on. You may not like to hear that, but it's true and the sooner you come to grips with it, the sooner you'll be able to move forward. You've stated opinion, not necessarily truth. There's a difference. Really?? West/Palin in 2016??? Really. Also - Rand spelled his name Galt. I don't understand how people that claim they are reading Atlas Shrugged continue to misspell the main character's name. The name is printed thousands of times over and over. How do you miss that if you've been reading the book? So the guy made a typo, BFD. That's a cheap shot, amigo, and not necessary in a debate. I've hurried with my reply; supper's waiting. Forgive any typos, and thanks again for the discussion/debate. Best, FB | ||
| Buellinmke |
I didn't miss that, I'm happy to pay a tax for healthcare. | ||
| Kenm123t |
The only coverage of Gertrude Walkers location has been on the local 1000watt am station it barely covers this county it shares news with its Sister WPSL 1590 We can get both WSTU 1450 I ll have to check its website. If the Government pays for your health care your a Serf Or a Slave and do not realize it. Dont start with the VA system thats how we provide for our veterans part of our debt for their service. | ||
| Oldog |
I didn't miss that, I'm happy to pay a tax for healthcare. I dont mind paying taxes either when the money is used in a wise manner and helpful manner. The space program, and feeding poor children at school are 2 I am quite ok with. BTW thanks for a well thought out reply and yeah i dont spell so good some times =) But on the health care tax, If you or your employer pay for insurance ( now required ) and you are paying a Tax you are paying twice for the service, I recently lost my health care insurance it had gone up in price by 90% in 3 years. My employers profits have not gone up 90% in 3 years nor had the money he made on my efforts so he had to drop me, Now assume for a second that I was living with no extra money each month almost no savings, and I now have a Federally mandated requirement to buy health care I make too much to get it free, but I cant afford it, and if I dont have it I get fined ( TAX penalty ) I have a double problem I cant afford the insurance and I cant pay the fine Now what? stop eating?, turn off my lights?, live in my car? This is one of my arguments against Obama care, Things I liked No pre existing condition exclusion, an its portable across state lines ( one set of rules ) sound good to me if they are carefully considered and enacted. BTW I am still in the First section, where Taggart and Rearden announce that they will ride the first train on the new rearden metal rails having seen the movie I appreciate the effort that went into it more this is a difficult story to tell on screen. } | ||
| Buellinmke |
No, the Republicans lost because they had a terrible candidate and no solutions.
The alienation isn't phony. I know many people that were once illegal immigrants and are now proud U.S. citizens. You know which candidate they are going to vote for? It's not the one telling them to self-deport. I know many women that are proud to be able to choose for themselves what they can do with their own body. Do you know which candidate they are going to vote for? Not the one telling them what to do with their body. I know many homosexuals. Do you know which candidate they are going to vote for? Not the one telling them that their sexuality is an abomination which will cause them to burn in a lake of fire for eternity. I could go on, but I think you get the point. I appreciate differing views and opinions, but I think it's easier to have these discussions in person. I know I'm guilty of hyperbole and I apologize. | ||
| Aesquire |
...finally upended the healthcare monopoly in this country. An accurate statement. The Purpose of Obamacare is to upend the healthcare system. And make it a true monopoly. "Single payer", the desired outcome, is tax paid healthcare. A monopoly of the State. I don't see it as a Monopoly right now. How can it be? You can't buy health insurance from another state, usually, I can't buy Kaiser insurance in NY. You can't buy from my local Blue Cross "nonprofit". Even in a state you usually have multiple companies and plans to suit your needs as YOU see them. Not anymore. The people getting rich are, for the most part, the same people getting rich, ( assuming they donated to Obama ) and will be for some years to come. Obama, barring impeachment, ( unlikely ) has another 4 years to line the pockets of his donors. After that? I don't know. The eventual desired ( stated repeatedly by Obama & minions ) outcome means all those private companies and non profits go away. Are all those people whose job today is to deny you healthcare going to work for the gov? Or do they lose their jobs? BTW, Obamacare is more properly called Pelosicare IMHO as it bears zero resemblance to the never, ever, ever, seen imaginary bill that the President talked about, and never submitted to the public or Congress. I have grave doubts about the eventual socialized system Obamacare is leading to. For every good example, ( and there are many, mostly in Canada. ) there are bad ones. ( many, some in Canada, where Canadians come here to get operations that they would be dead before getting home, England's system that has very high death rates at the end of each period as Doctors who have put in the required time vacation... Holland does euthenasia...etc. etc. ) The cliche is, "do you want the people that made the Post Office such a success to be in charge of your doctor?" It's not as black and white as that, but it is s subject worth serious debate. That has been missing entirely. Can West/Palin win the Presidency? I don't think so. West/Rice could, I think. The Republican Party once again gave us a candidate that didn't win. I'm all for a major change in the R Party. Too elitist up top, too big government. Far too nanny state for my taste, and crappy at it. Being Democrat lite is NOT the answer. No matter how much George Will and other pundits say so. I'm also for big change in the Democrat Party. It would be very nice to see a movement toward Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutional rule, and away from nanny state interference in our lives. ( which they are very good at. ) Don't see any hope for that, the Alinsky/Progressive/neo-marxists seem to be Large and In Charge. It is worth noting that the Communist Party almost uniformly supports the D's. Buellinmke should think about that one. On some subjects I bet we'd find common ground. I think the R's should be far more social libertarian. The D's did a fine job of lying about how evil the R's are. ( I mean, sure, they ARE evil, but not THAT evil! ) I bet the D's really don't want the "right to life" folk to leave the R Party. ( or vice versa ) | ||
| Oldog |
I appreciate differing views and opinions, but I think it's easier to have these discussions in person. I know I'm guilty of hyperbole and I apologize. We all are at times. The thing that I am appreciating is that you are defending your point with clear and reasoned comments from your experience, not cut and paste off topic crap. I will jump on later I would like to continue the debate in this manner as I want to understand your point of view. and politely share mine with some honest dialog.... If I can put the kindle down =) } | ||
| Fb1 |
No, the Republicans lost because they had a terrible candidate and no solutions. We actually had two VERY good candidates in Romney and Ryan. Perfect? No mortal is perfect. Things I disagreed with about their platform? Yes. There's not a candidate alive that you and I would likely agree with 100% of their opinions and positions. That said, R&R would have been good for America, much as Reagan was. Yep, that's just one man's opinion, but it's something I believe very sincerely. Solutions? They offered a list of very specific solutions. Many folks chose not to listen, however, helped not at all by Pravda constantly snapping at their heels. The alienation isn't phony. The "alienation" is a marketing tool by the left, worked to perfection by a corrupt media. I know many people that were once illegal immigrants and are now proud U.S. citizens. So by this logic it's OK to encourage more illegal aliens? Our ability to play Santa Claus to all the people we're gifting, including illegal aliens, is just about bankrupt. You know which candidate they are going to vote for? It's not the one telling them to self-deport. Perhaps. Giving them "amnesty" is not correct, however. As a bribe, though, it was very effective. I know many women that are proud to be able to choose for themselves what they can do with their own body. Do you know which candidate they are going to vote for? Not the one telling them what to do with their body. Doubtful R&R would have had time to address abortion; their focus would have been on the economy. I know many homosexuals. Do you know which candidate they are going to vote for? Not the one telling them that their sexuality is an abomination which will cause them to burn in a lake of fire for eternity. I could go on, but I think you get the point. I get the point. I appreciate differing views and opinions, but I think it's easier to have these discussions in person. Agree. But since we can't, this is the next best thing. I know I'm guilty of hyperbole and I apologize. Apology accepted, and I extend the same apology to you. Now then, if you don't mind: What is it about Allen West that you don't like? Serious question, and I'm obviously not looking for a fight, just further debate and discussion. This thread is about West. I really, really like the guy, as is obvious to anyone who's been following along, and much the same as asking folks why they supported 0&B or would not support R&R, I'm curious why you can't/won't endorse Allen West. Thanks, FB | ||
| Fb1 |
WARNING: IF YOU DON'T LIKE MR. COPY & PASTE COPYING AND PASTING STUFF ABOUT ALLEN WEST, CHANGE THE CHANNEL. NOW. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
More: http://www.thepatriotspress.com/index.php?option=c om_content&view=article&id=570%3Athe-patriots-pres s-what-a-disgrace&catid=37&Itemid=186 Bravo.  | ||
| Iamike |
That's how Minnesota ended up with Al Franken. He was behind at first count then lo & behold a couple boxes of uncounted ballots magically appear from a dem operative 'poll worker' trunk. Then to show the fraud Al's number of votes margin was much higher than his opponent. Kind of like Philadelphia this year. Our system is failing. Supposedly this idea was hatched by George Soros to get those mid-level operatives in the position to swing elections. | ||
| Fb1 |
Mike - Our system is failing. Our system has failed. We've proven beyond question in this election cycle that the fix is in, that we cannot trust the vote, that we cannot trust our politicians, that we cannot trust our election officials, and that we cannot trust the media to report the truth. We've proven - to ourselves and to the world - that we cannot have a fair, honest and impartial election process, one of the fundamental cornerstones of a truly free and open society. Up until November 6th, 2012 I would have agreed with you that the system is failing. I'm now of the opinion the system has failed. If we, as a Constitutional Republic, aren't very, very careful right now, I fear this failure will prove to be fatal. Ferris | ||
| Hughlysses |
"In spite of failures which I lament, of errors which I now see and acknowledge, or of the present aspect of affairs, do I despair the future? The truth is this: the march of Providence is so slow, our desires so impatient, the work of progress is so immense, and our means of aiding it so feeble, the life of humanity is so long, that of the individual so brief, that we often see only the ebb of the advancing wave and are thus discouraged. It is history that teaches us to hope." ~ Robert E. Lee |
