| Author | Message | ||
     Gregtonn |
To put it more simply..."Global climate change is all about the sun and there ain't a damn thing we can do about it." G | ||
| Geedee |
"Do you really believe any of this stuff you are posting?" Yes. Having explored for some years the 'phenomenon' of 'chemtrailing', I am of the opinion that such a programme exists. Do I know the reason for it? No. Does HAARP technology exist? Yes it does. Have I explored all that I can find on the subject? Yes, always looking. Have I researched the work of Nikola Tesla? Yes. Am I convinced that 'Chemtrailing' and HAARP are related? Yes I am. Do I ever 'believe' the 'Official Government Line' of anything? Rarely. The technology exists, why would it not be used, for better or for worse? My example of Christchurch was used because it occured in NZ. As a direct result of that earthquake my house insurance premium doubled. "The June 2011 Christchurch earthquake was a shallow magnitude 6.3 ML earthquake that occurred on 13 June 2011 at 14:20 NZST (02:20 UTC). It was centred at a depth of 6 km (3.8 mi), about 10 km (6 mi) from Christchurch, which had previously been devastated by another magnitude 6.3 ML earthquake in February 2011. The June quake was preceded by a magnitude 5.9 ML tremor that struck the region at a slightly deeper 8.9 km (5.5 mi). The United States Geological Survey reported a magnitude of 6.0 Mw at a depth of about 9 km (5.6 mi). Not all 10km deep quakes are manmade or caused by HAARP. Many are natural. However, it is the repetition and sheer volume of the 10Km depth that is not natural! This unnaturalness was observed by many when online research tools were still available for public use in the months following the Japanese 2011 earthquake. During that time it was noticed that certain depths – e.g. 10Km – occurred with unusually high frequency when tools used to monitor HAARP indicated that HAARP was indeed turned on and generating frequencies. Many of these monitoring tools are no longer available for public viewing. Why were these (and other) formerly publicly available tools removed from the Internet? more: http://shiftfrequency.com/tag/usgs/ SOCIOECONOMIC IMPACT The NZX 50 Index fell by 0.4 percent to its lowest level since 20 April; within the index, a total of 24 stocks fell, while six rose and 20 remained unchanged. In addition, the New Zealand dollar declined in the wake of the disaster, reportedly dropping by nearly 0.01 US dollar, or about 1.3 percent. Following a dramatic decline in event numbers, Vbase, a council-owned venue management company, announced the disemployment of 151 of its full-time staff workers. Nationwide, building consents tumbled considerably, dropping by 4.5 percent in the wake of the aftershock. The disaster's impact extended beyond national grounds; in light of its occurrence, Insurance Australia Group reported an estimated net claim loss of A$65 million (US$61.5 million)." source Wikipedia "Christchurch could become the headquarters of New Zealand's construction industry for the next decade, with predictions that rebuilding the city could cost $30 billion." Quo Bono? The International Bankers? We can collectively pussyfoot around, pretending that none of this shite happening around the globe is coincidental, and accusing anyone who may question it as a 'Conspiracy Theorist' and a nutter, or we can talk about it. Or not. Is Global Warming now Climate Change now Earth Changes man-made? Well it all depends really, doesn't it? It isn't and it is. It is and it isn't. It's all plausible deniability. Brilliant! What do you honestly think Sifo? (Message edited by Geedee on October 13, 2012) | ||
| Aesquire |
Gregtonn, Ah!, We're on the same page, I see what your ( and the article's ) point is. Thank you. I wasn't sure that Al Gore was a con man until he bought a beachfront property in Malibu. ( after years of insisting the seas were going to rise high enough to flood that property... ) Now we KNOW he knows he's a liar. | ||
| Nobuell |
Diablobrian It is a shame that friendly refrigerants were pushed as a result. Now we are stuck with many refrigerants that are 10 to 20% less efficient. Think of the additional power consumed as a result. Not to mention glide issues with blends that make refrigeration equipment additionally inefficient and problematic. | ||
| Sifo |
I was in a hurry, heading out when I made my last post and failed to link the site about the Christchruch quakes. Here's the link... http://www.christchurchquakemap.co.nz/ What do you honestly think Sifo? I think the data shows Christchurch to be a very active fault zone. Also, quakes there do appear to happen around 10km deep all the time. I think the data shows that your conspiracy theory site to be incorrect in saying "However, it is the repetition and sheer volume of the 10km depth that is not natural!". I think you have provided a lot of links that either attempt to overwhelm with complicated formulas, or make unexplained logical jumps. Just to keep an open mind though, I'll as you, someone who has been exploring this, in layman's terms, how does the HAARP system create an earthquake? It seems quite a jump to assume that heating the ionosphere is going to cause an earthquake at a depth of 10km. I think HAARP is being pointed at as having a wide variety of pretty amazing uses. It really is the scientific multi-tool, or just the focus of a lot of conspiracy theorists. I think it's the latter. I think as weapons go, there are far more effective, and more straight forward weapons readily available. I think chemtrails are well explained as the well known natural interaction of combustion gasses. Or are they required to make earthquakes? I think chemtrails would have to be the best kept conspiracy with huge numbers of civilians involve who have not been forced to keep national secrets. Of course this would have to be an international conspiracy. These trails are left by jets from all nations. I think I have some pretty serious questions relating to their use, but you have already said "Do I know the reason for it? No.". This makes any questions about purpose moot. I think that understanding what a technology does provides the reason for the technology. I do however think that global warming as typically presented is about 95% BS. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Geedee When the aliens drop by earth for their next fill-up they are going to be royally pissed to find we have used up all their oil and changed the atmosphere. G | ||
| Geedee |
Gregtonn, the aliens are already here  . Maybe it is them geo-engineering to make the planet more to their liking. Now I'm joking, or am I  ? Sifo, appreciate your response and thanks. At what point does a 'conspiracy theory' become the 'conspiracy', and to whom? It is a throw away catch phrase that is used for the sole purpose of discrediting any idea or person/s not complying to the 'official' view. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Christchurch_ear thquake "While both the 2010 and 2011 earthquakes occurred on "blind" or unknown faults, New Zealand's Earthquake Commission had, in a 1991 report, predicted moderate earthquakes in Canterbury with the likelihood of associated liquefaction." "The severity of the September quake, along a fault line previously unknown to seismologists, had been a shock." Earthquakes and volcanos are what New Zealand is. My original point of mentioning Christchurch was because it was an example of, what in New Zealand, was unexpected where Christchurch stands. As a result of it happening, much has changed. Insurance premiums have increased markedly, building codes are being rewritten, values of old buildings throughout the country have plummeted. The cost is immeasurable, and the country has gone into even more debt. The fact is, the technology and science to create such a scenario exists. Was it used? Who would know? Check out Haiti earthquake, Katrina. I mean really research. Or don't, it doesn't really matter. "I think chemtrails would have to be the best kept conspiracy with huge numbers of civilians involved who have not been forced to keep national secrets." Here we might agree to have differing points of view. The vast majority of people on this planet are in a coma. Fast asleep in lah lah land. They are not going to be told what is going on. Totally unaware of very much at all. Seven billion people on this one Earth (so we are told, but I've not counted them so it is only heresay) and seven billion 'worlds'. More than 100 years down the line we still run internal combustion engines, electric vehicles are little more advanced than those of the 1800's, nuclear is antiquated and deadly, and NASA has been mothballed. Yeah, right. ALL scientific advancement is now private and patented. The private corporate rules and 'government' is the front. 'We' aren't part of the club. http://haarp.net/ http://www-star.stanford.edu/~vlf/buoy/ “Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance.” W. Clement Stone Make of it what you will. I'll leave it at that :-). | ||
| Aesquire |
...electric vehicles are little more advanced than those of the 1800's, nuclear is antiquated and deadly, and NASA has been mothballed. Jay Leno wrote an article comparing 2 of his electric cars. I may have the years wrong, but IIRC his 1909 and his 1999 Chevy EV-1. He complained he couldn't go to parties in the valley and let people try his EV-1, or he wouldn't make it home. 100 years and the new one went 10 more miles on a charge. The New was more comfortable, with a heater, etc. but essentially not home repairable, while the 1909 had edison cells that you could rebuild at home, easy. Nuclear I've ranted on before.. will again, I'm sure, but I'll limit myself to 3 little things. No commercial plant in operation in the US has a basic design newer than I am. We can do better. Nuclear is the boogyman for political reasons, and because the Soviet Union created the Green Party and the NoNukes groups to screw us. Works great too. ( the Soviets really kicked our asses in the Spy war and the infiltration war. ) If I could have a tiny, waste powered boiler, I'd be very happy. I even know the design I'd use. ( a cross between a project Dumbo Nuclear Rocket and a US Navy Submarine natural flow reactor.... I grew up with this stuff ) If you thought the oil companies went ballistic about a magic carb.....Home heating and power with a 10 year lifetime???  Finally, I've been unhappy with NASA for years. Blame Congress, blame the Iron Law of Bureaucracy, but NASA had become a jobs program, and Shuttle service, and the bureaucrats guarded their feed bag with a vengeance. Still sorry to see us Stop going into space. Really torques me off. From the days before Babylon, he who holds the high ground wins. Ever see a castle in a swamp? ( ok, Monty Python.... ) | ||
| Cowboy |
Consider the large a,punt of fossil fuel we have any thing else is B S . | ||
| Aesquire |
My Opinions, here... Is there Climate Change? Yes. Always. For as long as we can tell, there has been a changing climate. Ask the City Fathers Of Petra, or the Pueblo Cliff Dwellers. Or, if that's too obscure, check in with the Viking colony on Greenland, or Vinland. ( Canada ) Oh? You can't? They are gone? Climate change. Does man affect the climate? Yes. In fact, the massive reduction in the use of coal for home heating in England seems to have ended the famous London Fogs. Ditto France and the adoption of Nuclear power, resulting in people freezing to death on the Riviera for the first time since the last mini ice age following the Medieval warming period. ( when the Viking left Vinland, and Greenland. ) We need a substitute for fossil fuels, and a way to get off them. yes. Duh. Unfortunately, we are not allowed to explore the better forms like nuclear for political reasons, and the collection of diffuse energy like Solar and Wind have ecological issues of their own. Not counting the nimby problem that kept windmills out of Ted Kennedy's sight as long as he lived. Rich A-holes don't want their view disturbed, and they can make that stick. Us poor folk? We'll have to live with the dead birds bouncing off our homes. At least the thuds will help keep our minds off the noise made by the lowest bidder in China windmills. Is CO2 a climate issue? I honestly don't know. With all the lies told by M Mann, and the Hadley CRU, the boy who cried wolf effect is in full swing. I suspect not so much, especially if the data that show the CO2 went up after the oceans warmed in the last century is correct. Will Global Warming lead to massive storms and constant Hurricanes? No. A few more hurricanes, perhaps, but EVERY time in the PAST it has been as warm as the lying sacks tell us their faulty computer models predict, it has been better for storms and bad weather, at least in the North of the Med Europe and North America. ( not a lot of weather data from New Zealand from 800AD. ) Is the Climate Change Movement a con? Absolutely. We all want clean air and water, and there has been a lot of good out of an increasing awareness of our need to be stewards of our planet. ( I give the highest marks to Ducks Unlimited, and the Lowest to the Sierra Club. The FOE, and ELF are terrorist groups with a nihilist stripe... Scary ) How can you really tell that it's a con, and not the Truth With The Science Settled, fought by the Corporate Liars of the Evil Oil Companies? First, the Science is NEVER settled. Religion is settled. It is Revealed Truth. Science is always a partial answer, with a deeper understanding the end goal. It makes no difference to the facts, or the Universe, what a poll of scientists says. Reality couldn't give a damn about your opinion. Second, when we were all going to freeze to death back in the 1970's, the "solution" was to tax you, put unelected folk at the UN in charge, and end our dependence on fossil fuels and stop CO2. 30 years later, it makes no difference what the crisis IS, same "solution". Agenda 21 wants us all to live in cities so we can reduce our carbon footprint. The UN want total control. If tomorrow the scare was alien invasion, the "solution" would be tax us, give the UN control, and end our dependence......... And the same people would be getting our money. | ||
| Aesquire |
Cowboy, we really do need to reduce our use of oil. Eventually it's going to run out. Even if, as some people think, it is a self renewing resource, and not just crushed and processed plant matter that will not be replaced for millions of years, we pump it out faster than it can possibly form. The use of quaint and ancient energy sources, like wind mills, isn't going to cut it, no matter how techno-composite and dictatorial they get in putting them in your yard, want one or not. Ok, maybe Solar, orbital solar, and even solar wind collection could do the job. It has to be on a scale you can see from space, though. I note with NO irony, that Jerry Pournelle correctly pointed out that the Trillion $$$ we spent on the War on Terror under Bush could have given us a solid start on Orbital Solar, and made US the energy suppliers of the planet, not the Kings of the Middle East and the Czars of Russia. We've borrowed more than that every year since Barrack Obama took office. I paid $4.29 a gallon to tank up the other day, and my electricity still comes from Earth. We could be well on the way to energy independence. And Premium for my Buell could be a $1.09 a gallon. ( taxes. The gas would be way cheaper than that ) | ||
| Cowboy |
sure it will run out some time but not in our or our grand children time Hell 100 yrs from now I dont give a damn. | ||
| Aesquire |
Yeah, the commercial hunters that kept the tables of Boston and New York supplied with Passenger Pigeons felt the same way. All those happy reports that the oil and gas available to us with fracking will last us 200 years? (Yeah!!) Don't count China's rise, the UN treaties to steal OUR oil wealth as we failed to do in the middle east, ( we buy it, not steal it ) and the greenies keeping us from ever digging it up it in the first place. Domestic politics too. I know what Barry says, that oil prices aren't his fault. ( nothing is ) Regardless, if the Prez goes on tv and announces we're going to exploit our own resources, tell OPEC to stuff it, and make oil $50 a barrel, with new, better tech, the price would plummet on the futures market, and at the pump. When the Prez tells us we can't drill, that he'll bankrupt coal, and he wants gas to be expensive, ....it is. Besides. I WANT the atomic car I was Promised by Walter Cronkite in "The 21st Century" tv show I watched with awe when I was a kid. We could make them today, but it is forbidden by the town elders after that horrible accident after that school dance...... (Message edited by aesquire on October 14, 2012) | ||
| Sifo |
The 21st Century, that was a great show as a kid! | ||
| Gregtonn |
...nuclear is antiquated and deadly..." Not in the real world. Thousands of sailors live and work every day within feet of nuclear power plants on very modern ships and submarines with no ill effects at all. G | ||
| Sifo |
Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it  So we have about the same length of time without warming as we had in the most recent warming. I really like how a number of "scientists" are now claiming that 16 years isn't enough to determine any sort of trend. Seems to me that they were making a trend out of just a few years of warming. They are full of excuses, but still are pushing the same ideas, that CO2 is going to cause the end of the world as we know it. YAWN. | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo, appreciate your response and thanks. At what point does a 'conspiracy theory' become the 'conspiracy', and to whom? It is a throw away catch phrase that is used for the sole purpose of discrediting any idea or person/s not complying to the 'official' view. A conspiracy theory is exactly what it sounds like. It's a theory to explain something that involves two or more individuals to secretly conspire to do something. The more individuals involved, the less likely to keep it secret. That's the downfall of secrets. People like to talk. When a theory requires tens of thousands to not talk for a period of decades, it is very unlikely to be true. I'm still waiting for the lay man's explanation for how HAARP causes earthquakes. That seems like a pretty important detail when asking someone to believe that HAARP is being used as an earthquake gun. | ||
| Hootowl |
Even if HAARP does cause earthquakes, they can be easily prevented by employing a sheep's bladder. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
It's all down to the FWC/DB interface I believe, but I shan't know the full details until I've infiltrated the SVSB & I'm captured & restrained with no apparent possibility of escape. Whereupon I shall activate the GWULB & make my getaway, to a TIP, in my Aston Martin with a backdrop of the SVSB undergoing a FSDS. Glossary of terms. FWC = Fluffy White Cat DB = Doomsday Button TIP = Tropical Island Paradise SVSB = Super Villain's Secret Base FSDS = Final Self Destruct Sequence GWULB = Girl With Unfeasibly Large Breasts | ||
| Kenm123t |
channeling Ian Fleming eh Grumpy | ||
| Geedee |
Greggton, you are correct. Perhaps I should have said "nuclear is antiquated and the waste products are deadly." "I'm still waiting for the lay man's explanation for how HAARP causes earthquakes." Sifo, I don't really know what to say to you. I don't know how to rearrange words already used in links and video clips to explain things any better, and there are hundreds of other links out there. Many in my opinion are disinformation sites, but that is only my opinion. I'm not trying to convince anyone to believe anything. Just know that there are people, myself included, who hold differing opinions about stuff. Not saying it's correct or incorrect, but if I agreed with you we would both be wrong :-). Respectfully, it doesn't matter and that is why I posted the quote by W, Clement Stone. “Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance.” My opinion may well be due to my ignorance, but you convince me otherwise and I'll be happy to reconsider. I decided a long time ago to keep an open mind to looking for truth, however much I had invested in my current view point. As for keeping secrets, that is easy peasy. Compartmentalisation of information on a need to know basis. Misinformation, sworn to secrecy oaths, hierarchy, counter misinformation, allegiance and patriotism to a belief, honour, threat of retaliation, risk of job loss or redundancy, risk of loss of benefits, court martial, arrest and detainment without trial, 'accidental' death, contradiction, humiliation, accusation, denial, character assasination, blackmail, control of media and information and publicity of themes including movie stories. Oh yeah, one more, used a lot on Badweb, ridicule. Psyops is business, big business. "If the chemtrail operations seem too big to keep under wraps, consider the Manhattan Project (which developed the A-bomb). It was equivalent in size to the American automobile industry, employing about 130,000 people! It was kept entirely secret with compartmentalization, a current practice which keeps information divided and separate. In 1970, former National Security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in Between Two Ages, that: "Technology will make available to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised.....techniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm." "Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves… So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations…It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." Former Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing. Chemtrails. Although I said I didn't know why, it was because it was easier to say that than pound out loads of dribble. "The HAARP patent calls for spraying barium in the atmosphere to enhance the effects of HAARP. When chemtrails contain compounds for conducting or amplifying electromagnetic energy, we're exposed to an increased risk of harm from the intense radiation emitted by cell phone and microwave transmitter towers, radar installations at military bases, high-voltage power lines, high-power military relay towers and the myriad other well-documented sources of "electronic smog" - 15 million times more intense than natural background levels." The presence of barium and other metallic particulates has been repeatedly demonstrated in direct association with the aircraft aerosol operations. You can check out the HAARP patent. In fact if you really are interested you'd check it all out yourself. I don't need to convince you. Mr Grumpy has it spot on. The give away will always be the pussy and the large breasts. One final comment. A classic example of how operations are conducted in plain view, yet can't be seen by the majority of people. The best conspiracy theory of recent times is the ridiculous 'Official' U.S. Government account of 9/11. That inside job in which about 3,000 people were killed. Unbelievable. One day, the truth on that one will come out. Altogether now 1,2,3 and..."He's unhinged he is, mental!"  | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Ah, Alexei Sayle, the thinking man's thinking man.  | ||
| Aesquire |
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/11/environmenta list-air-pollution/ | ||
| Sifo |
Geedee, Responding to my request for a layman's explanation with a video joking about "your own words" misses the mark big time. I really don't care who's words they are. I'm simply asking how HAARP is supposed to cause an earthquake without page after page of physics formulas that 98% of people will never make any sense out of. My opinion may well be due to my ignorance, but you convince me otherwise and I'll be happy to reconsider. Honestly, I have no idea how to convince you otherwise. Mostly because I have no idea what you are convinced of. Turn your statement around though and try to see things from that perspective. I didn't come into this pushing a theory. You did that. It's you that is trying to convince others that your theory holds water. You are failing to provide the basic pieces that make that theory work though. As for keeping secrets, that is easy peasy. Compartmentalisation of information on a need to know basis. Misinformation, sworn to secrecy oaths, hierarchy, counter misinformation, allegiance and patriotism to a belief, honour, threat of retaliation, risk of job loss or redundancy, risk of loss of benefits, court martial, arrest and detainment without trial, 'accidental' death, contradiction, humiliation, accusation, denial, character assasination, blackmail, control of media and information and publicity of themes including movie stories. Oh yeah, one more, used a lot on Badweb, ridicule. Psyops is business, big business. Interesting point, however when it comes to chemtrails it has a huge problem. Civilians have to design, operate, and maintain the systems involved. All without knowing what these systems do. Doesn't seem likely. Aircraft have been more than a passing interest of mine most of my life. I've known pilots and mechanics of all sorts of aircraft. I had a neighbor who was a 727 driver for American Airlines. With the exception of my nephew, none of these people are in positions where they would be sworn to secrecy. Yet somehow these people are ignorant to the systems used to disperse these chemicals from the aircraft that they operate and maintain. This just seems to lack credibility. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Perhaps I should have said "nuclear is antiquated and the waste products are deadly." Geedee The statement still lacks foundation. How is nuclear antiquated? It works perfectly well as has been proved by the US Navy and others. Many things can be deadly if not handled correctly. Including motorcycles, cars and common household chemicals. How many people have been killed by nuclear waste this year? How many in household poisonings and traffic accidents? G | ||
| Diablobrian |
"forbidden by the town elders after that horrible accident after that school dance......" Really? A footloose reference? Sweet! And yes, it is sad that we are moving away from economical efficient refrigerants in favor of less efficient blends that cause a whole new set of problems (different gasses leak at different rates so even a small leak at a fitting means complete evac and re-charge of system ...  on the cosumer's dime....with more and more expensive EPA mandated equipment. Wonder why Joe's HVAC is out of business and your only option is to go to some big monolithic chain and pay whatever they demand? Ask the EPA. The mear accusation that you vented ANY refrigerant to the air was at one time grounds for a $10,000 fine. the big guys made a game of accusing the little companies and ran them out of business by virtue of the cost of defending themselves in environmental court (where you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent). The Kangaroo rat, the snail darter, the spotted owl, evolution is about adaptation. Species unable to adapt fade away. Should we willfully try to destroy them? No. But using common sense and conservation rather than draconian tactics as the EPA does should not be the answer. They even tell individuals whether or not they have the right (priveledge they say) to ride OHVs on their own land because someone thought they saw a (insert endangered species here) there once, and then need a multi year study to decide if it may or may not be true. In the mean time your land is off limits to you, although your taxes still come due, after all, can't skip out on that! how else can they fund these wonderful public services? Arrrrgh!I get so frustrated y this crap | ||
| Kenm123t |
DB I love the big monolithic chains they cant fix any thing ! We have more work than during the boom Thanks to those chains and the cheap work they did in the boom. If all goes well with the projects I looked over today they will gross 400k. We may be expanding out of state Lockheed Martin called me yesterday about a Project in Louisiana a multi year campus type project. The recovery units you refer to are better than ever I built my own 30 years ago I didnt like breathing phosgene When working in mechanical rooms or venting it from WSHPS in office space | ||
| Aesquire |
re: "nuclear is antiquated..." The Navy knows how to do nuclear. While many details are classified, it is known that current sub design uses reactors that use "natural" circulation, without pumps, for slow silent cruising, and turn on the pumps and crank up the neutrons for high speed dashes, ( where the enemy, and every whale in miles can hear you breaking the speed limit...... but if it lets you dodge a torpedo, you still win ) The big reactors they stick in Carriers and Cruisers have also proven quite safe. Soviet subs? Not so much. There are jokes about them... How can you tell the Soviet Sub Sailor on leave? He's the one in the bar that glows in the dark... Remember Chernoble? A Graphite core reactor, ( which is what the original experimental model under the Squash court in Chicago was ) is like building a gas furnace out of pine. You can do it... but it's not that smart. Pebble bed and liquid salt reactors both promise ( and deliver ) fail safe designs, so even a terrorist attack on the coolant lines is just a matter of repair and resume... not run and ruin. As far as waste goes, other than an accident in Japan ( where instead of following instructions, the night shift was using metal milk buckets and overloaded the vat.... ) the only problem with waste is that we just dont' process it. Because of NIMBY congressmen, and the refusal to fund the already mandated plants... In one sense, that's actually a good thing. While it's left tons of "dirty bomb ready" fuel rods sitting at nearly every nuke plant in the country... ( bad ) it means when we finally get a smart President who can work with Congress, we can use technology undreamed of when they passed the law to reprocess waste. We can now burn up waste that in years past would have been a long term storage problem.. It was feared, back in the 1950's that we would have to create a Nuclear Priesthood that would guard the waste depots for thousands of years, despite the rise and fall of nations and civilizations. ( some real good stories used that theme ) I think we can solve that problem now. | ||
| Sifo |
A Graphite core reactor, ( which is what the original experimental model under the Squash court in Chicago was ) is like building a gas furnace out of pine. Did you know what happened to the waste from that reactor? It's buried in a Cook County forest preserve! | ||
| Nobuell |
Sifo I mountain bike at Redgate all of the time. Ride right over the burial site often. |
