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Birdy
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You will never see this much speed in your life!

http://imgur.com/tgY05.jpg
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nice.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Who do I have to kill? Really, who?
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In moth balls or static display. Truly an amazing aircraft.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

First you need a time machine. Then you need the technicians to melt the oil. ( It's a rock at room temperature ) You have to get the refinery to make some more of the low volatility fuel that doesn't boil at altitude, and the Boron based starter fluid that makes that lovely green fire on startup. ( the fuel is so hard to light that you can toss lit matches in a bucket of it all day )

I'm assuming you already have a space suit, and twin engine flight training, have spent a few days with the life size picture of the cockpit on the wall so you can figure out where the controls are...

Then you take off, with partial tanks, leaking like a sieve, ( the wing is "wet" and doesn't seal up until you've warmed it up with a little mach2 flight. ) rendezvous with the tanker and top off.

Then it's off towards 80,000 feet plus and over 2100 miles an hour. While actual top speed is still classified, ( 3000? is rumored ) when setting the various speed records the Blackbird still holds, the crews were under strict orders to keep it down to 2000 mph. They of course made sure what side of 2000 they kept it on. How about St Louis Missouri to Cincinnati in 8 1/2 minutes?

You could easily go from Chicago to Las Vegas in under an hour.

The arrest procedure would take far longer. ( Think how many car alarms you'd set off in under an hour. )

One of the Blackbirds least famous flights took place near the end of the cold war, when Regan sent one up to circle Moscow... well outside of the city limits, since pulling even 2 g's continuous makes a ginourmous circle, and then cruise home. And we denied doing so. Just to Pi$$ them off.

It is rumored that several million dollars worth of SAM's were fruitlessly lobbed at the sky that night, but the Soviets never admitted to any property damage.
( SAMs go up, and then they come down. The French Embassy in Libya was hit by a SAM, not a US bomb, during the Tripoli strike back in '86. You can see from the fins on the casing in the crater that's it was a SAM.) I have no opinion on the "accidental" bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in '99.

For sheer beauty, it's hard to beat this one....

http://www.murdoconline.net/2008/xb-70_stbd.jpg

With wing tips the size of a B-58's entire wing, that folded down in flight to catch the shock wave off the fuselage, the Valkyrie literally surfed on it's own sonic boom giving it the mach 3 speed and range to reach targets on the other side of the planet. Never, thank the diety(s) of your choice, used in anger. The remaining one of the pair is at the Air Force Museum in Dayton. ( the other one crashed after a mid air collision )
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Fast1075
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A retired Blackbird pilot (darned if I can remember his name) moved to Florida and bought a marina/bait shop on Lake Hatcheneha in the Kissimmee chain. I put my boat in there a LOT when I was tournament fishing.

He had a TON of pictures and such in his bait shop. I asked him how fast it really was. He just said "a damn sight faster than anyone will admit" with a wink.

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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Whether it's a true story or not, I've always liked this...

quote:

There were a lot of things we couldn't do in an SR-71, but we were the fastest guys on the block and loved reminding our fellow aviators of this fact. People often asked us if, because of this fact, it was fun to fly the jet. Fun would not be the first word I would use to describe flying this plane—intense, maybe, even cerebral. But there was one day in our Sled experience when we would have to say that it was pure fun to be the fastest guys out there, at least for a moment.

It occurred when Walt and I were flying our final training sortie. We needed 100 hours in the jet to complete our training and attain Mission Ready status. Somewhere over Colorado we had passed the century mark. We had made the turn in Arizona and the jet was performing flawlessly. My gauges were wired in the front seat and we were starting to feel pretty good about ourselves, not only because we would soon be flying real missions but because we had gained a great deal of confidence in the plane in the past ten months. Ripping across the barren deserts 80,000 feet below us, I could already see the coast of California from the Arizona border. I was, finally, after many humbling months of simulators and study, ahead of the jet.

I was beginning to feel a bit sorry for Walter in the back seat. There he was, with no really good view of the incredible sights before us, tasked with monitoring four different radios. This was good practice for him for when we began flying real missions, when a priority transmission from headquarters could be vital. It had been difficult, too, for me to relinquish control of the radios, as during my entire flying career I had controlled my own transmissions. But it was part of the division of duties in this plane and I had adjusted to it. I still insisted on talking on the radio while we were on the ground, however. Walt was so good at many things, but he couldn't match my expertise at sounding smooth on the radios, a skill that had been honed sharply with years in fighter squadrons where the slightest radio miscue was grounds for beheading. He understood that and allowed me that luxury. Just to get a sense of what Walt had to contend with, I pulled the radio toggle switches and monitored the frequencies along with him. The predominant radio chatter was from Los Angeles Center, far below us, controlling daily traffic in their sector. While they had us on their scope (albeit briefly), we were in uncontrolled airspace and normally would not talk to them unless we needed to descend into their airspace.

We listened as the shaky voice of a lone Cessna pilot who asked Center for a read-out of his ground speed. Center replied: "November Charlie 175, I'm showing you at ninety knots on the ground." Now the thing to understand about Center controllers, was that whether they were talking to a rookie pilot in a Cessna, or to Air Force One, they always spoke in the exact same, calm, deep, professional tone that made one feel important. I referred to it as the "Houston Center voice." I have always felt that after years of seeing documentaries on this country's space program and listening to the calm and distinct voice of the Houston controllers, that all other controllers since then wanted to sound like that and that they basically did. And it didn't matter what sector of the country we would be flying in, it always seemed like the same guy was talking. Over the years that tone of voice had become somewhat of a comforting sound to pilots everywhere. Conversely, over the years, pilots always wanted to ensure that, when transmitting, they sounded like Chuck Yeager, or at least like John Wayne. Better to die than sound bad on the radios.

Just moments after the Cessna's inquiry, a Twin Beech piped up on frequency, in a rather superior tone, asking for his ground speed in Beech. "I have you at one hundred and twenty-five knots of ground speed." Boy, I thought, the Beechcraft really must think he is dazzling his Cessna brethren.

Then out of the blue, a navy F-18 pilot out of NAS Lemoore came up on frequency. You knew right away it was a Navy jock because he sounded very cool on the radios. "Center, Dusty 52 ground speed check." Before Center could reply, I'm thinking to myself, hey, Dusty 52 has a ground speed indicator in that million-dollar cockpit, so why is he asking Center for a read-out? Then I got it, ol' Dusty here is making sure that every bug smasher from Mount Whitney to the Mojave knows what true speed is. He's the fastest dude in the valley today, and he just wants everyone to know how much fun he is having in his new Hornet. And the reply, always with that same, calm, voice, with more distinct alliteration than emotion: "Dusty 52, Center, we have you at 620 on the ground." And I thought to myself, is this a ripe situation, or what? As my hand instinctively reached for the mic button, I had to remind myself that Walt was in control of the radios. Still, I thought, it must be done—in mere seconds we'll be out of the sector and the opportunity will be lost. That Hornet must die, and die now. I thought about all of our Sim training and how important it was that we developed well as a crew and knew that to jump in on the radios now would destroy the integrity of all that we had worked toward becoming. I was torn.

Somewhere, 13 miles above Arizona, there was a pilot screaming inside his space helmet. Then, I heard it—the click of the mic button from the back seat. That was the very moment that I knew Walter and I had become a crew. Very professionally, and with no emotion, Walter spoke: "Los Angeles Center, Aspen 20, can you give us a ground speed check?" There was no hesitation, and the replay came as if was an everyday request.

"Aspen 20, I show you at one thousand eight hundred and forty-two knots, across the ground." I think it was the forty-two knots that I liked the best, so accurate and proud was Center to deliver that information without hesitation, and you just knew he was smiling. But the precise point at which I knew that Walt and I were going to be really good friends for a long time was when he keyed the mic once again to say, in his most fighter-pilot-like voice: "Ah, Center, much thanks, we're showing closer to nineteen hundred on the money."

For a moment Walter was a god. And we finally heard a little crack in the armor of the Houston Center voice, when L.A. came back with, "Roger that Aspen. Your equipment is probably more accurate than ours. You boys have a good one." It all had lasted for just moments, but in that short, memorable sprint across the southwest, the Navy had been flamed, all mortal airplanes on freq were forced to bow before the King of Speed, and more importantly, Walter and I had crossed the threshold of being a crew. A fine day's work. We never heard another transmission on that frequency all the way to the coast. For just one day, it truly was fun being the fastest guys out


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Birdy
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I live in Springfield Ohio and have been the AFM in Dayton and have never seen the XB-70. Any idea where it's at in the place? You have to understand that the place is huge, in ONE hanger alone they have THREE B-29s and a B-36 PLUS about 40-50 MORE planes. In another the are about 5 F-111s, 3 or 4 F-15s and F-22 a F-117, a B-52, B-1 and a B-2, another 30-40 planes even a MIG-29. You could easily miss a XB-70. Add to this that planes are moved in and out and it could have been in the overhaul hanger.

Newest is the Shuttle trainer and the Rocket Room!

I read something from a pilot of a SR-71 to give you a idea just HOW fast it really was, He said that on a mission over Lybia his back seater reported 4-5 SAMS being fire at them, He said he did all he could do and "Put the Spurs to her" (No weapons on a Blackbird) and they just flat out ran the SAMS. He also said they got the plane going a LOT faster than they should have.
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 07:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

sifo thanks for posting that. that story never gets old. i like to believe it's true.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It was out front (outside) for a long time. I think it is hanging in one of the hangers now.

its really freaky to see the thing from the back... a big line of big motors.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 08:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

first saw it in 76 as a model on my neighbors mantel, apparently he was one of the slide rule jockeys that had a hand in it.

He always said, this is the one they let you know about and just smile with a stupid grin.
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6gears
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I seem to remember a story about the fastest trans-continental flight ever recorded. Something about the government not letting them fly at top speed over the states, so they flew up the coast, across canada and back down. LOL.
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Beugs
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My favorite bird of all time, I have many desktop wallpapers of it. I also notice the training plane is in the back. It's amusing that that picture has 1/3 (eh, close enough) of total blackbird production in it.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In the early 60s a SR71 flamed out over my dads house in Wva. When it restarted engines it was below the ridge line over the Kanawha river valley . Hundreds of windows were broken several brick smokestacks went down killing 5 people. The SR 71 was still classified at the time so they went super sonic at low altitude.

I remember hearing the sonic booms for nearly two minutes echoing all over the valley. It was nearly a week before the airforce came clean on what happened.
The after math of this incident is why the speed limits over Conus
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/exhibits/r&d/inde x.asp

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsh eet.asp?id=592

The XB-70 is now in the Research & Development Gallery, per the website.

It was In a different hanger when I saw it. The Valkyrie was one of the reasons I went there. We drove around and looked at the outside stuff, some planes and missiles, but no B-70. Went it and started the tour... Had an awesome time, loved every minute... but no B-70.

I'm in the last space on the tour they had at the time that it could possibly fit in, and was looking around, feeling disappointed that I missed out on seeing that plane.

Then I noticed, over by an Apache dive bomber, a landing gear. It was very slim and tall, pure white, complex and... big. I looked up the gear... and a few stories above me was a pure white tube.... against the pure white hanger roof. Suddenly I realized I'd been walking Under this monster for half an hour looking in the cockpits of, seriously, lesser planes.

The B-52 on the 20 foot pedestal, that I noticed right off. I had been drooling over a Bell X-5... But this valkyrie, this Chooser of the Slain was so out of proportion to the space it was in that it had been invisible to me until my mind adjusted....
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86129squids
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sifo..

Hahahhhaaa... folks nowadays are losing the ability to write prose like that.

And, they AINT fast like that.

Thanks for sharing.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 11:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Weird thing about the Blackbird...the Aerodynamics of speed.

The 2 engines were turbojets and an afterburner that was bigger... At speed, the turbojets just acted to suck in huge amounts of air into the 'burner.. and the Blackbird is always on the 'Burner...

The thing is it actually got more thrust as you picked up speed. It wanted to just go faster and faster. So you could go so fast you just melted..

A LOT of engineering went into control the heat of normal operation, included hiding the tires ( painted silver with nitrogen inside ) inside the fuel tanks, and developing new hydraulic fluids and wiring insulation that could live in an environment where lead is gaseous. ( and aluminum is dripping )

In "normal" operation you could feel the heat off the windshield through your space suit glove.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://gizmodo.com/5511236/the-thrill-of-flying-th e-sr+71-blackbird

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.ph p?t=33620

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/100years/stories/ blackbird.html
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Moxnix
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They leaked during the fueling process right before start up and take off. Heat from skin friction stopped the leaks after take off.
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Bluzm2
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 12:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aesquire,
The Blackbird is my favorite bird.. right along side the P-51 and the Spitfire.
The fuel for the BB wasnt' all that terribly special. Basically JP-7 is super clean kerosene with some fluorocarbons added for lubrication. The fuel was used as a hydraulic fluid to activate things like the air bleeds, afterburner nozzles, the spike, etc. After it was used for that, there was no way to cool it down so it was directed to the engine and burned.
The fuel was also used to cool the some of the electronics packages.

All of the above is stuff I've read over the years from different sources. I have a book on the Blackbirds,published in 1995, was written by a guy named James Goodall. He researched the book for 30 years, this includes info from Kelly Johnson and Ben Rich of Skunk Works fame.
Seriously cool book.

Brad
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Bluzm2
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 12:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One more thing.
There used to be a SR-71 at the National Guard museum here in Minneapolis. Somewhere I've got pictures of my kids standing next to the landing gear and pictures of the engine out of the plane. Walking around that beast was really cool. As you said, the aft view is really awesome.

Cool stuff.
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Satori
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 01:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All very cool stuff, I happen to know a ex engineer that worked on the Blackbird. We've had some very interesting conversations around campfires for years about various things about it.

I call him Dad..
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 04:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They used to fly from Mildenhall, usually take off after dark, about all you could see were the "Dancing Diamonds".

Had one take off over my head while I was driving an old diesel panel van (parcel jockey at the time) the noise was indescribable, couldn't hear the van engine at all, & Sparky my mongrel co-pilot was scared so bad she was barking madly & I couldn't hear that either.

Helluva plane, they've got one at Duxford too.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 06:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Think those engines are loud on the plane

Pratt& Whitney serviced the engines in the West Palm Beach Plant when we worked by the test stands we had to drive by no slower than 45mph and use the outer service roads. You have to wear ear plugs and muffs pretty much anywhere outside the plant
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Nik
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 07:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The sr71 is a slow fat pig compared to the a12.
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Loki
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just loved the mornings at Mildenhall. You checked the fly schedule, the SR never was on it. If you saw three A model tankers lined up, the SR was sure to follow.

Sitting there at the perimeter road stop and hold line. Watching IT taxi by, out onto the hammerhead, line up and hold. Then start counting the rings as she throttled up.

In all my trips to the Hole, saw this sight a couple dozen times. Only once did I get to see it taxi back in to the roost.


One time in Italy... We were washing our Herk, gotta love low-level flights over salt water. I hear this gawd awful screeching passing behind me. Turned around to see a pair of Starfighters(F-104) taxi by. A pair of thourobreds in Italian livery. This was in '94 btw. This century series bird could still do a few things better than an Eagle.
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Loki
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wright-Patt is one of those places to put on the must-do list. Along with the Ford museum in Dearborn.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 11:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I love this thread so much.
Just think of how much work from the crews on the ground+sky+pilots+engineering just so you could take some nice pictures : )
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have heard, though never seen, because it was an Air Force / CIA bird - and not Navy,
that when you spooled the film across the light table for analysis you could almost feel the speed
Tales of dizzy intell weenies getting 'speed-sick' abound from looking at the reels

I have experienced it when doing stereoscopy of imagery from A-6's over low terrain at sub mach; I imagine the affect would be greatly amplified from the quality of the Blackbird film
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Birdy
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 04:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm heading down the Dayton tomorrow to get another look at the SR-71, and another slow plane they have stuffed in the back room. You might have heard of a bomber the was faster and flew almost as high the Blackbird? Only 3 were built and of these two where lost in testing. The XB-70. With Mach 3+ speed and a 77,000'+ limit this thing was a monster. It was canceled do the the SAM shooting down Gary Power's U-2. But what a beast this plane could have been.

http://www.murdoconline.net/2008/xb-70_stbd.jpg

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/050324-F-1234P-019.jpg

(Message edited by Birdy on October 05, 2012)
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