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Ducbsa
Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2019 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/06/w ebmd_misleads_on_agriculture_and_climate_change.ht ml
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Wiscokid
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https://weather.com/science/environment/news/2019- 06-14-permafrost-melting-sooner

https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/kuwait-and-saudi-a rabia-record-highest-temperature-on-earth-1.156032 5581417

but the BWBT knows better then the worlds scientists.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2019 - 04:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So those items are interesting, but donít have any rigorous link to manís activities. Also, do you really believe that there has never been higher temperatures since whatever creation you believe in?
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Hootowl
Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2019 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Increasing co2 has squat to do with warming. Thereís no radiation left to turn into heat. The climate models assume a linear effect. Itís not.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/08/the-logarit hmic-effect-of-carbon-dioxide/

(Message edited by hootowl on June 16, 2019)
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Wiscokid
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there has almost for sure never been higher temps since homosapiens have existed but just keep your head shoved up a warm moist place. I've layed out the same scientific evidence for years and get the same ignorant responses.
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Hootowl
Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2019 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dude. Zoom out. The 1930s were much warmer than today. And thatís just this century.
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Hootowl
Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2019 - 06:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry, not this century, but the last 100 years.
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Wiscokid
Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2019 - 06:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

look at world temps not local.
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Hootowl
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The US has the vast majority of temperature sensors. The bulk of global warming hysteria is based on the US temperature record. Accurate records do not exist for much of the world, including the middle east. Telling me itís fíing hot there is not a convincing argument. Itís been fíing hot there for centuries. Didnít used to be. North Africa used to be forested. The climate changes.

Adding co2 to the atmosphere has no effect at this point. Donít take my word for it. Look at the numbers. I take that back. Adding co2 helps plants grow faster and use less water. But it doesnít capture more energy on its way out of the atmosphere. All the energy that can be captured is already being captured.
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Wiscokid
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explain to my how co2 doesnt effect temp/cooling ability
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Gregtonn
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explain to my how co2 doesnt effect temp/cooling ability

Your time would be better spent asking someone to prove how it does.
Better yet, do a little research on the subject yourself. You might learn something.

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Hootowl
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A careful reader would know that I have already done so.

Your question reveals that you did not read my posts, nor the link I provided.
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Aesquire
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Welcome. To a real discussion.



The Earth has certainly been warmer while humans were here. 1000 years ago it was definitely warmer.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-backgro und-articles/2000-years-of-global-temperatures/

See chart. ( first Bing listing to search for 2000 years of temp )

If we are lucky, we will see such warm times again. But I doubt it. German & Russian Solar scientists are predicting a cold spell. Hopefully not as bad as the little ice age just past. ( as shown in chart at link )

So that's one thing you were mistaken about. You should reconsider the accuracy of the source for that error.

But I should check other sources. Vostok?

https://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_2000_yrs.h tml

Cause & effect. Warm oceans mean more CO2.
https://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/temp_vs_CO2.htm l
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Aesquire
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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/06/the -complex-physics-of-global-warming.php
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2019 - 01:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

best short explanation yet for the Chernobyl disaster,

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=M ain_Page

Yep, banged them rocks too hard.

Every nuclear accident that I know of has been blamed on human mistakes.

In some cases, like 3 Mile Island, it was human error, but it was also confusing indicators and controls that led to the partial melt down.

There are some Russian submarine reactor incidents that might have been caused directly by bad design, but they aren't ever going to admit it.

In aviation accident investigation & safety training, they speak of an error chain, and try to find the initiating factor in an accident. It's almost always not one simple problem. It's a problem that leads to another to another etc.

There's a reason for checklists and a reason for standardized controls.

The checklist became U.S. Army Air Corps standard after the crash of the B-17 prototype, The Model 299 ( a beautiful airplane ) because the gust locks on the tail control surfaces were in the cockpit, levers to be moved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-17_Flying_F ortress

On smaller planes, they would often use 2 lengths of wood tied together to keep the movable bit from being banged around in the wind when the plane is parked. One on each side of the tail surface. Physical objects you can see when you walk around the plane as part of your preflight.

Covers ( against dirt, rain, bugs etc. ) on the instrument vents have flags on them so you can see at a glance they are there. ( if you take off with the covers still on, your airspeed and altimeter won't work ) So pilots were conditioned to look for flags and obvious things like gust locks, or chocks for the wheels.

But the B-17 prototype was a much bigger plane than a fighter or transport of the era. There were a few bigger ones, but they were mostly flying boats, and the one XB-15 experimental bomber built by Boeing for the Army.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_XB-15

External gust protection would have been large, hard to install & remove without a ladder or cherry picker, and thus Boeing had built into the cockpit levers to lock the controls from the inside.

Unfortunately, the B-17 was being flown by a lot of different pilots as part of the testing, and either the pilot that day forgot the part of his briefing or didn't get the part where they explained the gust locks, and when he took off the airplane could not respond to the controls, stalled, and crashed.

The Army started using check lists after that. ( and they could be hundreds of pages long on the most complex aircraft with complex electronics, like F-104s )

btW, F-104 pilots ( among many others ) were trained and expected to memorize the checklist, since they wouldn't have time to look up the proper procedure for an emergency.

And as the current Boeing 737Max8-9 accidents show, with checklists that have gone from a notebook you keep in a thigh pocket and read from, to menu screens on the glass cockpit display, the poor guys still have to memorize the systems and emergency procedures since instead of flipping through the Book to page 237 where it gives you the answer to save your butt, it's now in nested menus.

Standardization. Typical light plane controls often include a throttle, and a mixture control. They might both be push-pull knobs sticking out of the panel. By tradition and regulation, the throttle should be black and round, and the mixture red, with flanges.

There have been many accidents because the builder or repair crew, used identical knobs for both controls. With no color or tactile difference, it's easy to use the wrong control, and flood, or starve the engine.

https://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/aircraft-building/build ing-your-aircraft/while-youre-building/building-ar ticles/instruments-and-avionics/cockpit-standardiz ing-for-homebuilts

That is an example of a human error, but the error chain started with someone not following best practice.
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Aesquire
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Not certain if this should go in Islamist terrorist thread or.......

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/ 07/mh370-malaysia-airlines/590653/

But in any case the technology is fascinating.
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Aesquire
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The human part, though, that's incredible.

Not that the pilot may, allegedly, maybe, have suicides with a plane full of people.

That, unfortunately, is more common than anyone wants to admit. Between Islamist terrorism and depression, it's a growing number, year by year creeping up the air incident listings. More on that in a moment.

The interesting part is the Crazy American factor. The hero here is just another guy, who chose to follow a romantic path through life instead of an office job in a big company. He could have turned his ambition to starting his own business. But instead has been on a years long personal quest even before the Malaysian Airline Mystery. Playing Indiana Jones meets Unsolved mysteries isn't a common life path, but in many ways an enviable one. And like some fictional characters, he's obviously gained skills & knowledge that let him show up in a country he's never been, make friendly contacts to aid his search, and find what massive government searches have not. While helping people succeed in starting businesses and contacts all over the planet.

The guy seems like a character out of a Jules Verne or British romance adventure or Mark Twain story. It's a better place that has such folk.

As to depression suicides... There is a reason I don't claim to understand, but do grasp the mentality, that "it's better to burn out, than to fade away". Some people go quietly in the bath, sliding away. Others prefer to hit the wall at speed. That part, I do get, & suspect I'm more the latter.

What I don't get is taking innocent lives with me. I get that suicides fail to consider the impact their deaths have on loved ones and friends. I've had more than enough friends ( one is too many ) take leave of this mortal world and felt the guilt and "could have, should have" that follows. I can even understand the Kamikaze impulse, to harm a foe with your last breath. " From Hell's heart, I spit at thee". But taking my passengers with me on a suicide run? That's just wrong. That's the mental leap I can't get.
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Aesquire
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https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/06/c offee_will_kill_you_until_it_wont_and_other_fake_h ealth_news.html

As someone who's treated their body not as a temple, but an amusement park, moderation is for monks. Take big bites. ( stolen from R.A.Heinlein )

As someone who's now paying for running life as a tilt-a-whirl, moderation in everything, including moderation. ( ibid )

So... Same philosophy, different angles.

The secret to health is still a secret. Tart cherries, vinegar, ( but only the expensive kind with the mother ) CBD whatever, cinnamon, turmeric, coffee, wine, eggs, olive oil.... All with big claims and some work well with some people.

A buddy has big praise for CBD oil. Really reduced his crippling back pain. But he also retired, so he's not in the shop lifting transmissions every day. Hmm.

I noticed on days when this workaholic has spent 11 hours rebuilding his boat, or digging a new koi pond, he groans just as much as last year when his day was spent fixing buses, go figure.

But by golly, he evangelizes his miracle cure anyway.

Human nature. : )

Another buddy hauled me into a "healthy herb? Apothecary" shop today, I tried a shot of fancy vinegar. Yep, it cleared my sinuses. ( so does the Kung Pao chicken from my favorite Chinese restaurant, because I'm a regular and they'll serve me "3 star us hot" that they won't serve tourists )

I also bought an overpriced tub of peanut & cashew butter with CBD oil. I'll let you know how it tastes.

The Real secret that Big Pharma doesn't want you to know?

It's
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Torquehd
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you forgot about essential oils and alkaline water.

Back when I was into CBD oil, I prefered it the natural way - with the buds and the occastional stem still attached.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Raw water. Thatís where itís at.

By Ďití, of course, I mean giardia, and other pathogens. Good stuff.
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Torquehd
Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Giardia sucks.
This one time in Nepal on the side of a mountain at 10,000', there was a little village called Namche Bazaar... And my buddies decided to continue hiking while I emptied my guts out both ends... Fond memories : )
"they" aren't kidding when they say, "don't drink the water". The locals think Garlic Soup is the ultimate cure-all. Guess I should have been taking my doxy more consistently.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - 10:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You have died of dysentery.

I'm very cynical of fad "medicine".

But... Asprin, which could not pass current drug testing protocols, ( stomach bleeding ) is from willow bark. And it's on the short list of miracle drugs in history.

Lots of drugs that are effective come from herbal and natural origins, even if today it's made by nanotech in a sterile vat with no botanical stuff involved.

A random trivia item. A popular theory is that many drugs mimic, block, or boost production or metabolizing chemicals the body produces naturally.

Israeli researchers noticed a structural similarity between one of the chemicals in pot, and a hormone produced during labor. This natural substance appears to block short term memory from becoming long term memory. ( explaining "stml" ( short term memory loss ) among pot users ) When they came up with a drug that blocked the effects of this hormone ( and presumably the herbal relative ) they tested it on volunteer patients. And very quickly stopped. Women who had taken the drug during labor were adamant that they were never going through that again, having very clear memories of how much it hurt.

The researchers concluded that this hormone was vital to the propagation of the species, as without it, no women would willingly have a second child. F-U, Get Away From Me!

They discontinued the research on ethical & practical grounds.

Weird? Sure, but it does explain the popularity of cannabis based pain therapy, even though repeated clinical tests show it's fairly poor at actual pain relief, because you forget how much it hurts and thus are happier than with a more effective pain blocking medicine.

Consider that as you deal with life's aches and pains. It's not a condemnation on my part, just a desire to understand better.

Also, please forgive the limited and partial explanation, above. More detail I think would be too long, and I'm wordy enough. : )
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Come to think of it, haven't I posted about this study before?

Oh, look, squirrel!
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Zac4mac
Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patrick - that's my thoughts on Propyfol(sp?)
Twice now been on it for colonoscopy.
I think I'm aware the whole time just don't remember it.
I'm cool with that.

I still remember my first one...
Z
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - 01:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/06/s olar_power_to_hit_the_wall_in_nevada.html
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - 01:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Torquehd, Nepal? I'm jealous. I missed my shot to fly there, even had my USAF altitude training, but... heck, better pilots won.

Couldn't ask for a more exotic place to get whatshisname revenge. : )

Zac, yeah, gotta love the hypnotic drugs. A bit scary, too. Easily abused. I do wonder what I talk about While I'm out. I should record my next probing.


Long rambling story, ( true, mind you ) feel free to skip.


Was given tickets to a modern art exhibition and a sitcom ensued. I invited a buddy, & his wife wanted to go but I only had 2 tickets. Gave tickets to my friends & bought my own. This (sitcom) led to them be let into the exhibit before me, and there was a 45-65 minute cycle time. I had a nice time waiting, a band at one end of the museum was decent, I strolled the galleries & did my Steve Martin imitation, chatted up the pretty violinist until her baroque duo played, and while watching her, ended up talking to some random dude in a tux starting with, "The fiddler is good" , he restored old cars, we launch into an animated talk on English wheels and dishing, and then my friends emerged. Pleasantries & introductions & on with a nice evening.

On the way to the van, buddy's wife asked where I knew the guy in the tux? Just met him. "Here?" Yeah, we geeked out on metalworking stuff. " Hmm"

Next day my bud tells me she said, "He'll just talk to anybody, won't he?"

Yep.
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