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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2018 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Star fleet was not part of the military.
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Crusty
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2018 - 03:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tell that to the Borg.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2018 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not military? As an insult, all the other Empires would agree.

The model was the Coast Guard & peace time Navy. Run life saving supplies to disasters, crisis aid, exploration & oceanographic research.

But some Admirals want a more active, Praetorian Guard, King Maker role. See Next Generation and reboot movies.

I'm sure there's better Trekkers here than me. : )
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2018 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The lore is that it was an exploration/discovery/diplomatic agency. Weapons were for self defense, and not considered all that important. The rescue force doesnít sound right, given their directive not to interfere.
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Hootowl
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Though Iíll allow that later incarnations of star trek wandered from the founding principles. Sounds familiar, actually.
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Ratbuell
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Prime Directive was to not interfere with the natural formation of solitary life forms and cultures. Those who had the ability and activity of traveling off-world and meeting other life forms were exempt, and invited to join the Council. "Starfleet" was simply the exploratory wing - yes, supposed to be non-invasive and non-confrontational, but armed with some pretty darned advanced self-defense toys.

Even the continuation movies now are only embattled in response to another species' actions. Technically...still self-defense.

And of course, the greenies love it because there's no money and everything is free and utopian.

Except when they have to blow stuff up - worlds, sometimes - in order to survive.
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Torquehd
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll fall under the designation "exploratory" if I get to fly a space ship at warp speed, shoot phasers at aliens and sometimes evil humans, plus the perks of a tricorder, a lapel communicator, and teleportation.
I wonder if the Klingons are recruiting; I like their cool blade weapon thing.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2018 - 09:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-wars-ships-have-terri ble-aerodynamic-designs-1826981844
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Ducbsa
Posted on Friday, June 22, 2018 - 05:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Vacuum in outer space!
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, June 22, 2018 - 06:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

But not on the many planets of The Empire.

Star Wars tech is schitso. The fans spend a lot of time rationalizing the weirdness.

For example, self aware AI, But targeting systems are horrible. Thus everyone uses jammers to make everyone miss. Which must include belt mounted units that are never mentioned.

Armor that doesn't stop the common blaster. Except the one character.

Etc.

Every technology uses different rare crystals to work. ( that part makes some sense ) Planets with rare power crystals are all slave states run by interstellar corporations or evil Empires. ( that's pretty typical here, too ) : )

All the ships and fighters are aerodynamic and structural nightmares. Air containing force fields are common, but not used everywhere, depending on plot.

Actually that's pretty normal. Real sci fi spends a lot of effort on adjusting the technology for plot purposes.

Warp/Hyper drive limitations, for example. If you can hop right into a planet's orbitals, war is a series of unstoppable raids. So usually there are rationalized limits, often the depth of a gravity well, to allow space combat.

Lucas is not a science fiction writer, and his fairy tales just have ships and blasters instead of horses and swords. He never bothered to explain the magic to himself, or uses limitations to drive plots. Fans retro fit explanations after the movies are made.

That means that Buffy the Vampire Slayer is better literature than Star Wars, in that Often prophesy is invoked, ( like The Chosen One ) but always, prophesy, like wishes, are subject to the wording counts and loopholes drive the plot.

Anakin was thought to be prophesied! Bring balance to the force! So, he's part of the movement to kill the good Force folk and promote the bad folk..... Balance!

Short form, be careful what you wish for.

But no one mentions the irony of the misinterpreted prophesy in Star Wars, it's just plain bad writing. Lazy and a bit insulting to the fans.

Contrast Lord of The Rings, where the ring Wraith can't be killed by man. Runs into the only hobbit & lady warriors on the battlefield. Loophole! Sucker!

Buffy had a monster that could not be killed by "any weapon forged by man". So they hit it with an anti tank missile with a self forging warhead, fired by a Girl. Loophole! Sucker! ( same loophole, actually )
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, June 22, 2018 - 06:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What I find funny is that same Gizmodo article, posted on an aircraft design forum, got complaints that the software used is poorly written and understated the drag coefficient by a lot. Then the argument continued on how bad the designs really were in technical terms.

Funniest is some of these folk work for Boeing or Grumman, and may actually have put a Tie fighter model in a real wind tunnel.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, June 22, 2018 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thirty Years On, How Well Do Global Warming Predictions Stand Up?

Yeah, we all know how the global warming predictions held up. Nice to see it in print though.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, June 22, 2018 - 09:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/06/20/the-thirty- year-war/

Referenced in above article.

How did I become a holocaust climate denier?

Certainly not because I'm anti science.

Nor, sorry to say, because I'm immune to hysteria in disaster prediction. One of my treasured possessions is the original article "Giant Meteor Impact" which may be the first & best layman's description of same. I bought into the 1977 Ice Age warning. Still remember the actual science & haven't seen it refuted, 41 years later.

No... What turned me on to skepticism was yelling at the radio when Rush Limbaugh was being completely wrong on the science out of ignorance, while being on the right side of truth, by accident or ideology... And being wrong on the ideology.

What part of "getting the science wrong", "triggered" me?

Statements that a warmer climate created more severe weather, while the exact opposite is true by historical record, going back as far as man has known writing, and beyond, by archaeological evidence. (See Pueblo cliff dwellers & Petra )

And, statements that 1998 was the warmest year on record, while it wasn't even for that century. ( I can read. The records were published..... Before the Dog ate their Homework and databases were purged.) And, lying artwork, like the hockey stick graph, and all those charts that faked away the Medieval warm period and Roman heat records.....

They started obviously lying to me back 30 years ago, and have doubled down, past the point where they actually call for people who aren't part of their con to be jailed, murdered, and sent to reeducation camps.

Funny, no real scientist has called for me to be eviscerated for questioning aether theory vs. Quantum foam. Not one.

So, am I a godlike paragon of Truth? No. Imagine someone telling you Gold Wings are dangerous because they don't weigh enough to stick to the road. How about? Never use your front brake because it'll make your bike skid out of control. Or? Motorcycles turn by the pressure of the big toe on the pedals????

I'll bet you don't think folk who say such things are honest experts. And if they want to take front brakes away, and tax you on one's you own? Then say you should be jailed because you disagree?

Thank you.
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