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     Ft_bstrd |
Transcript of Paul Ryan's RNC Speech "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: "I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years." That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that's how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight." | ||
| Whatever |
http://blogs.wsj.com/drivers-seat/2012/08/30/the-h istory-of-the-janesville-gm-plant/ At the time this happened, I was dating a guy who worked at that GM plant. SUV sales were crashing due to the economic meltdown in 2008. GM was talking about retro-fitting the entire plant to manufacture hybrids and decided it was too expensive. However, the Ryan faithful would consider that to be all Obama's fault too... which occured before Obama took office. February of 2008 is when that speech was made. I dated the Janesville crazy man from July to November of that year... there was a lot of speculation about what GM was going to do. They decided it was too expensive to retrofit a plant that had been producing heavy machinery for a century. Pretty simple... and that decision was made some time around September I think. At least that is when employess were told. (Message edited by Whatever on September 01, 2012) (Message edited by Whatever on September 01, 2012) | ||
| Court |
>>>which occured before Obama took office. Let me guess . . . all together now . . . "It was George Bushes fault" The entertainment value of miserably failed Obame-coveries is coming to and end. It's time for Americans to take some responsibility and take their country back. These neophytes had their chance and have nearly spun this place out of control. Games over. The parents are coming home and the party is coming to an end . . . | ||
| Aesquire |
So the facts in Ryan's speech are correct. Unfair, since Obama was not personally responsible for the plant closing? He simply gave a speech at that plant that was then closed less than a year later. Perhaps. Just don't use the word "chicago" anymore to describe the corruption, attack politics, and kickbacks that the Windy City is famous for. The techniques used by Obama and his team. The City where Carbon Credits are to be traded, taking money from you and giving it to Obama supporters. Because....“There’s a lot of black people in Chicago.” I expect "Atlanta" to be a forbidden word too? How about Kenya? Detroit? Rochester? Buffalo? For me, I'll stay politically incorrect. | ||
| 1313 |
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| Kenm123t |
its not obamas fault its the idiots and moochers that voted for the fool. | ||
| Aesquire |
Obama would agree. He Blames us for his actions frequently. We are too dumb to understand that his not having ever signed a budget is our fault. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/16/obama-st oryteller-is-committing-malpractice/ ... In the president’s messianic view, all this opposition proves his unique wisdom. His political philosophy can best be summed up as, “I’m right and you’re wrong.” When he says his only mistake was in not convincing people he’s right, he has declared disagreement to be ignorance. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
http://gazettextra.com/news/2009/feb/19/gm-plant-l ast-day-finalized/ JANESVILLE — General Motors will end medium-duty truck production in Janesville on April 23, four months to the day after the plant stopped building full-size sport utility vehicles. About 100 employees associated with the line learned of the layoffs Wednesday. April will mark the end of vehicle production at the Janesville plant that traces its roots to 1919 and the Samson Model M tractor. Chevrolet production started in Janesville in 1923. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
BTW, the Bailout Money came to GM February 9th, 2009. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
Brankin, story behind that photo? I'm assuming that's Paul Ryan on the right? | ||
| Geedee |
In the interests of some balance, here is some Gary North. "The American people, decade after decade, generation after generation, are persuaded that presidential elections are fought over fundamental differences regarding the way the world works and the way the world ought to work. Yet every newly inaugurated President brings in his senior advisers, most of whom are men recruited by the Council on Foreign Relations, and some have been trained in the Trilateral Commission. This never gets any attention by the media, because the media at the top are run by members of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission." http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1188.html Gary North: "I went to see 2016: Obama’s America. Dinesh D’Souza wrote, stars in, directed, narrates, and did the original research for it. If we look at this from the point of view of its success as a documentary, I think it is effective. It is making money in theaters. This is amazing for a documentary. It is a campaign year documentary, and it is a good one. It is also dead wrong. That is because it misses the fundamental political fact of the last dozen years: the Obama Administration is the operational successor of the Bush Administration. In Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Guantanamo, on Wall Street, Barack Obama is George W. Bush in blackface. Obama is the star of a twenty-first century minstrel show. This fact has been deliberately ignored for almost four years by both the neoconservative Right and the grin-and-bear-it Left. Neither side will admit what I regard as the fundamental fact of this documentary. It is a long whitewash of the policies of George W. Bush." "In terms of the on-budget deficit, Obama’s Administration is an extension of Bush’s. Miss this, and you miss the whitewash. This documentary is an implicit whitewash. It relies on an assumption, namely, that we are not dealing in 2012 with a single political administration, which began in January 2001. Sadly, we are." THE ECONOMY "A related thing that bothers me intensely is the fact that the documentary tries to pin the bad economy on Obama. The bad economy should be pinned on Alan Greenspan, with considerable help from his successor. To suggest that the President of the United States has the power to make the economy worse is to imply that he also has the power to make the economy terrible. He has limited power either way, unless he drags us into a war. Bush dragged us into two wars. Ron Paul always was right for 36 years in not pointing to the President as the main economic problem, but rather the Federal Reserve System. So, any documentary that does not go after the Federal Reserve when it talks about economic problems, but blames the President instead, and also ignores Congress, is doing the general public an enormous disservice. It keeps the Federal Reserve in the background in the thinking of the viewers, when the Federal Reserve ought to be in the foreground, with the presidency in the background. This is basic economics. D’Souza does not know what he is talking about with respect to economics." http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1192.html http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1185.html 2008 - Hope and Change 2012 - Change and Hope Yeah, that'll fix it. "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." Henry Ford The oil/check engine light is on. Is covering it with red duct tape or blue duct tape going to fix the problem? | ||
| Aesquire |
ABC news gets the credit for the Blue/Red choice on the election map. Deliberately choosing to depict R states in the Traditional Red of the Soviets, Blood and debt. It has been quite successful in changing the "red for commie" meme in America. I see the Bush/Obama continuity a little different. It seems that the Republican Congress of GWB's first years didn't bother to tell George he was allowed to veto spending bills. When the people kicked the R's out for spending too much, the D's kicked the spending right up to extreme. Again, George never vetoed a spending bill. Barry voted for every penny. Once he took the Presidency, and no longer had to worry about budgets, never having to sign one, ( but having to live with "his own" budget only for the first year of office ) he kicked spending up to "plaid". Barry took Federal office in 2004, and voted or signed for every penny of debt since. He gave great speeches about being responsible but his actions have never matched his promises to anyone except leftist supporters. The rise in debt, unemployment, and inflation really takes an upward curve back in 2007, When Nancy & Harry took over. http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/even-more-une mployment-charts/ Arguable the later years of the George admin are an extension of the Barry admin. I fully acknowledge that the Goldman-Sachs crew, the Harvard academics and the Illuminati are a constant in the long term equation of screw you. Heck, Obama has given multiple speeches that just need the words, "fat cat" changed to "jew" to be straight from a National Socialist pamphlet from the 1930's warning of how the bankers are at fault for everything.. If you know history, some stuff just sounds oh, so, familiar. Oddly, the same bankers Barry castigated are the ones that got richest on our money under GWB & BHO.... ( oh crap! that supports your argument! ) If Ron Paul hadn't been a guy who's vital message for reform got diluted by the crazy talk and his supporters had been able to contain their glee at being the only ones who understand the danger of the alien subversion of the purity of essence, and their anger at the boneheaded refusal of the rest of us to listen to the Truuuuuth! We might be better off. Or maybe not. ( I thought Jimmy the 2nd worst president ever was a tool of the trilaterals? ) | ||
| Brumbear |
I honestly wish there was another choice. I am sick to the gills of politicians. I watched Christie speak at the GOP and I was actually mad as hell. He stood there smug talking about we did it well let me tell you I live in NJ they didn't. Simply put, my taxes have gone up (property) $1000 in the last 2 years . My fuel has gone up my insurances have gone up. I have watched company after company leave NJ and my wages have not moved. The teachers still make more money each year and policeman average $100K per year and teachers union actually got 1 more day off for the teachers!!!!!! Perhaps changes were made but nothing I can feel. I am just seeing no matter who we pick they do not have US in mind. For the first time in my life I feel like my vote is worthless. (Message edited by brumbear on September 02, 2012) | ||
| Oldog |
I went and saw 2016. Quite an education, It changed how I view BHO RE Garry North "It is a campaign year documentary, and it is a good one." agreed "It is also dead wrong." you most certainly are "That is because it misses the fundamental political fact of the last dozen years: the Obama Administration is the operational successor of the Bush Administration. In Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Guantanamo, on Wall Street, Barack Obama is George W. Bush in blackface. Obama is the star of a twenty-first century minstrel show." Wait Obama ran on "HOPE AND CHANGE" as The nations CEO he had the authority to Chage the BUSH agenda "for the better", He failed to do thison the war score. IIRC he was going to "GET US OUT" of the various conflicts, and close Gitmo. "Neither side will admit what I regard as the fundamental fact of this documentary. It is a long whitewash of the policies of George W. Bush." THIS SOUNDS FAMILLIAR. "In terms of the on-budget deficit, Obama’s Administration is an extension of Bush’s. Miss this, and you miss the whitewash. This documentary is an implicit whitewash. It relies on an assumption, namely, that we are not dealing in 2012 with a single political administration, which began in January 2001. Sadly, we are." WAIT ONE Canadate Obama said that he would cut the defict if elected. D'Souza clearly explained the differing levels of debit between the last several presidents. AGAIN Obama had the option to do what was needed, instead he has gone in the opposite direction with No budget from congress, ( the repubs - and responcible dems have tryed to send a budget to the senate where Harry Reid has "killed them" not even letting them get to the floor. this was done for political reasons. ) A related thing that bothers me intensely is the fact that the documentary tries to pin the bad economy on Obama. The bad economy should be pinned on Alan Greenspan, with considerable help from his successor. Yes and NO, Obama has not submitted a budget to congress that was workable. nor had the senate passed or produced one. Obama could have pressured Reid to get some thing moving. he has failed to do his job repeatedly as the LEADER and CEO of this country. AGAIN THIS SOUNDS QUITE FAMILLIAR. D'Souza, made some points about BHO's mind set and how and why he as done what he has. Garry Norths piece is more BLAME BUSH RETORIC. Obama wants to end our colonial empire and replace it with a collective, He fails to learn the lesson that history has shown us time and time again that comunissim does not work from his own mouth, to joe the plumber "I want to take the wealth and spread it around" His own half brother lives in Squaller in Kenya because he does not espouse Barracks' ideals I thought D'Souza's work was well presented, soundly reasoned, and factual ITS BARRACKS FAULT, | ||
| 1313 |
Brankin, story behind that photo? I was going through some old Buell stuff and in a 'Storm Watch' (Buell company newsletter) from the 25th anniversary, there was this pic amongst a collage of other pics. I'm assuming that's Paul Ryan on the right? I'm also assuming so. It sure looks like it to me. Since the bike in the background appears to be an S1W, it would've been somewhere 1997/1998 when the photo was taken. So I should have some recollection of the visit, but my only defenses are that it was about 14 years ago and that I've never really kept an eye on politics. Sure I can remember the times the Wisconsin Governor, Tommy Thompson, visited Buell, but a Senator... All I know, 1313 | ||
| Geedee |
Aesquire, Gary North makes mention of Nationalising the Fed. Do you think there is a possibility that the Democrats have purposely spent big to appease their supporters this term and plan on Nationalising the Fed if they get in for a second term? They would then control the debt. If they fail to win a second term they have left a huge problem for the Republicans who would have four years of fiscal restraints to deal with and be unable to turn the economy around. The agenda would be achieved either way. Oldog, don't you wonder what is really going on and who is really in control? Every member of congress should be holding their head down in shame. They've failed you. Sack them all. ...and how can Obama stand again without submitting before the nation qualifying credentials as to who he is? There is no doubt as to who Romney is. Brumbear, I know what you mean, but in the end they need you more than you need them. Put your feet up, crack a beer and watch this old movie. Then watch some Erik on Youtube. That'll fire you up. Remember, they need you to think you need them. Vote with your heart and then hold that person accountable. Chin up  . | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
I hear you brumbear. My health insurance has doubled inthe last 3 years. Not surprised since Iam now helping provide insurance for kids till they are in their late 20's. We actually had the city reduce our property taxes since values have plummeted due to the economy. Hire an appraiser and you may be able to get your taxes reduced. Gas is rediculous. I don't know how people on fixed income do it. If we go out to eat or buy groceries its evident what higher fuel costs are doing to portion sizes. Someone put the brakes on consumption on all levels. I bet some politicians think we are on the right path living with less and stretching out our paychecks. How many coal plants have shut down in the last 3 years? What does that mean to me this winter? | ||
| Court |
>>>Someone put the brakes on consumption on all levels. That's be Barack & Friends. I know at least 2 small business that are in their infancy and would love to hire 200-600 folks. No one is making a move until there is some semblance of order in the economy. Under the current administration, given their propensity to essentially ignore laws and do whatever the hell they please . . in concert with their "take it from anyone who appears better off" . . no one is making a move. Doubt me? Look at the amount of money corporations and investors have sitting on the sideline AND the number of investors (Stanley Druckenmiller comes to mind) who simply took their billions and walked away. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Cool photo Brankin! Those two fellows could fix a lot of what's broken. | ||
| Reindog |
I want news, not Pravda. I have been a Time subscriber for years, but this one-two propaganda punch is too much so I canceled my subscription yesterday and am getting $42 back. I will not support this nonsense with my money. Look and the conscious and subliminal messages between these two covers: "Red, White, and Blue" versus "Black and White". I honestly think that the Time's editorial staff think their readership has the word, "Stupid", tattooed on their forehead. These covers are being advertised as news, not opinion.   (Message edited by reindog on September 03, 2012) | ||
| Geedee |
"I want news, not Pravda." Go back in time and way down the rabbit hole Reindog, and you will find the same elite behind all the publications. Takes some research, but it is there. They are just more in your face now. "We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller, Bilderberg Meeting, June 1991 Baden, Germany. "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." Franklin D. Roosevelt | ||
| Fb1 |
Is Paul Ryan a liar, as the left-media has shrieked ever since his acceptance speech at the RNC? You decide:
America, how does four more years of THIS crap sound to you right about now? For my money, I prefer this:
Mr. Romney, I'm a guy who believes in the vision of the Founding Fathers, too. See you at the polls. | ||
| Court |
Mr. Romney, I'm a guy who believes in the vision of the Founding Fathers, too. See you at the polls. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I want news not Pravda.... You would be surprised at the insight on American politics and directions that you can find from Rt, Pravda, and exKGB run media outlets. There has been some great insight coming out of Czech Republic about the dangers and ails of Obama Care and how it is on the road to the Soviet in America. PS the two decades of success out of that country's development is NOT from embracing Socialism - it is from free trade, lower tariffs, lax international tax burdens, a well stocked employee force, and a firm knowledge that Communism SUCKS. we should do well to head their advice. | ||
| Oldog |
What Court said. time to end the experiment... | ||
| Oldog |
Oldog, don't you wonder what is really going on and who is really in control? Every member of congress should be holding their head down in shame. They've failed you. Sack them all. GD Spend some time watching C-span being televised from congress In particular, when a critical debate / vote is in progress. You get no talking head pundits, listen to what the reps are really saying, I have to confess I have thought about "TERM LIMITS" we have good men like Paul Ryan, John McCain, and others who serve as servants. The debit ceiling was most instructive, yes there are some porch monkies that make it to the hill, many that I saw were dems. But there were many solid citizen servants working to make things better. spend time reviewing your reps and senators voting records I have and will again before November We as citizens bear some responsibility when we vote folks like Obama, Biden, Reid, Pelosi, and others of their ilk into office VOTING IS A RESPONSIBILITY! PAID FOR WITH BLOOD, TREAT IT AS SUCH ....  | ||
| Geedee |
"But there were many solid citizen servants working to make things better." Oldog, I was a bit over the top and you are right in what you say. Some of those people are mentioned in the article linked below. Alan Grayson, even though he's a lawyer and a Democrat  , appeared to be a good one. His questioning of Federal Reserve reps was superb. They were squirming in their seats. If the representatives from both sides worked in the interests of the country instead of massaging their egos and playing one-upmanship games and party politics, much could be fixed. But they don't. http://beforeitsnews.com/economy/2012/09/first-aud it-in-the-federal-reserves-nearly-100-year-history -were-posted-today-the-results-are-startling-24497 70.html Imagine what a complete audit would show. Until the Federal Reserve is neutered, I think America is broken. In a Federal Constitutional Republic with democratic representation, being 'Republican' or 'Democrat' should make little difference when the constitution is adhered to. There are forces intentionally abusing the system and driving a huge wedge between the people. What ever your political leanings, you've got a big job to do. Summer is around the corner, I've some buyer interest in my house and stuff to do, so I'm going to butt out of your politics for now. Thanks for letting me stir the pot, Fb1, Reindog, Court, Oldog, Aesquire, City and the rest of you. Gary | ||
| Fb1 |
Gary, I've enjoyed the visits. Agree with you 100%: If we have honest folks in politics, who abide by the rules (i.e. the US Constitution and Bill of Rights), the rest should be easy. With Romney and Ryan, we have a fighting chance for exactly that. It may be our last chance, I'm afraid. Happy trails. FB | ||
| Buellinmke |
Wow. Conservatives never cease to amaze. | ||
| Drkside79 |
For real wheres the admin on that one? |
