| Author | Message | ||
     Dcc46 |
Outside the house~~ call the police Inside the house~~ shoot ,then call the police | ||
| Cowboy |
Call Police?????????? hell I live in tho country. they may never show up. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
There isn't a doubt in my mind on this one, I would not shoot. There was absolutely no threat to your life, or the life of others. I would be ready at the window with a firearm in case they try to get inside, and with vehicle keys in case they try to make an escape. In either case, I wouldn't let them out of my site till he was in cuffs. | ||
| Etennuly |
I'm with Mike on this. I saw a lot of this kind of stuff when I lived near Tampa Fl. For a few years I was a neighborhood watch leader. I was trained by local law officials who frequented our meetings. We were helpless to stop the weekly vehicle thefts and vandalism. But if they broke into your home all bets were off. In a totally different neighborhood a few years earlier, a car being chased by police ran to the end of a dead end street, smashing through a garage door pushing the car inside into the kitchen. The home owner, a decorated WWII vet, went out into the garage and shot the kid in the head seven times. He told cops he was trying to get him to get out of his house where the kid was a threat. The kid was knocked out with his foot on the gas with the tires spinning. The kid was unarmed. His only crimes other than being stupid, were being eighteen, on his first time getting drunk, taking his mom's car, and not stopping when the police tried to pull him over. Cause for a death sentence for sure. The home owner was found to be within his rights. | ||
| Macbuell |
As some have said, there has to be a reasonable claim to "fear of bodily harm to you or yours" to have a clear self defense claim. Since the bad guy was outside and not trying to get in your house, I don't think that claim of self defense would stand. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
I'd have pepper sprayed his ass for sure.My wife and I have Kimber Pepper Blasters in the house. | ||
| Psykick_machanik |
Thank you all, this is exactly the discussion i had hoped for. YES the situation ended exactly like it should have, the trooper did his job and it ended peacefully. Another part of the story is that on this island at night we usually DONT have a trooper on duty so that puts an added layer of stress on us as citizens to be able to defend our selfs, because official help might be an hour away! If need be the neighbors would have been here ASAP. The wife is proficient with the firearms in the house and a damn fine shot. still looking for a lefty bolt action hunting rifle for her. Getting a dedicated home defense 12 GA. A KSG will do nicely, if i can find one. I like the deturant of just the sound of a round being "jacked". First off Im making the house less of a soft target as my first line of defense. And if their out side, they can stay out side, but as soon as they set foot on my porch that changes everything. Thank you all again. | ||
| Sifo |
It's a good idea to go through in you head, as thoroughly as you can, under what circumstances would you pull the trigger. Local laws should be considered as well as the safety of your family. Trying to sort through these issues when you need to act may get you killed. While I disagree with some of the advice offered, I also recognize that local issues may make that advice more acceptable for them than it would be for myself in my situation. Definitely a good discussion. | ||
| Fltwistygirl |
"It's a good idea to go through in you head, as thoroughly as you can, under what circumstances would you pull the trigger." I agree. It is like a fire drill or in my realm, considering the the what if's of different scenarios and thinking thru what you would do. Prolly no different than using a flight similator or similar in the military. | ||
| Loki |
When I got my CCL, a lot of soul searching went with it. I recently got to explain to a young man, his parents and my step-daughter. The situation she put him in, in our home. | ||
| Court |
Good Read: "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad F. Ayoob | ||
| Bob_thompson |
I pretty much agree with most of whats been said here so far but will add my experience from here in Utah, one of the most, next to Texas, liberal states for self defense in the country. I have had a CCL permit for twenty years and one of the first to get one when we went "shall issue" law. Here and in most states you have to PROVE mainly three things in order to not have a charge brought against you for using a gun (or any lethal weapon), in self defense. 1. The threat has to be "real", 2. The threat has to be imminent, and 3. The threat has to be lethal in nature. Of course these are merely guide lines. I will add that it is probably the most important thing you will ever do in your life. It could cost you yours either way it turns out. If you have any question about all these parameters, do not shoot! And if you do I refer to Courts post below so be prepared and bring lots of attorney money. "Anyone else ever actually been shot and sat through the months of legal nightmares?" "Fact and fancy separated by a mile." Just caught Courts last post and also maybe one of the best self defense reads available. His TV programs were classic! (Message edited by Bob_thompson on July 30, 2012) | ||
| Torquehd |
no. the key word that will save your a** in court is "imminent danger". If your life, or the life of one of your family members, was in "imminent danger", then you're in the clear to defend yourself. If he was unarmed and displayed no hostility or threat, then there's an overwhelming chance you'd get thrown under the bus, so to speak. however... i would make a point to openly point my gun at his face and use stern language. | ||
| Court |
My opinion . . . . well, is worthless. I am the least objective person in the world to talk to about shootings. Be smart. Much of what you read is more likely from cowboy and crime movies than real life. It's not all black and white. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"Had a very sobering event the other night. My wife was awoken at 3 AM by the sound of a man coughing outside our bedroom window and then the sound of our jeep door shutting (i was 300 miles away). When she looked out the window their was a large man standing there looking at our boat! The Troopers were called and dispatched to the house. When the trooper arrived he found and arrested the passed out 21 year old punk sitting in the drivers seat of the jeep. After he was put in the cruzer the trooper found the other piece of sh1t passed out next to my kids playground. Also a little back story...That night was the 1 year anniversary of a man being stabbed and killed trying to stop someone from ransacking his fathers car just a block from my house, and that was heavy on my mind. Yes i would have......wife and two kids in the house, i wouldnt have hesitated, even is he wasnt armed, and that thought makes my knees buckle." So were both guys drunk? Possible that they were just confused about where they were in their intoxicated state? Sounds like what happened was the best thing possible and what you shouldve done if you'd had been there. No one injured, no one from your family in trouble. No lasting effects from poor choices. Also, what is this, a bad horror movie? "the one year anniversary of...." Come on, thats silly talk. Like many others have said, there would be so many legal troubles that would come about if you kill a man. Or shoot/wound him. Its possible they could sue for damages. Especially if they are unarmed. Hmmm, isnt there a big case in the media about a guy who shot an unarmed man.... Also, until youre in that situation, you have no idea what you'd do. Its mild, but I was in a place when a guy pulled a gun and waved it about, pointing it and threatening to shoot everyone in there. Terrifying. Yeah, you got those cats who would say, "well if it was me I'd..." and usually follow that by "kick his ass" "rush him" etc etc, but the truth is, until youre in that situation, you have no clue what you'd do. Me, I made myself as small as possible and hoped that the bullet would be stopped by the booth I was laying in. Or the guy on the other side. And hoped my three friends wouldnt be shot. It sucks. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
How many shots can a taser shoot? And, how long can you taser someone before the batteries go out or it leaves too many burn marks? | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Has anyone seem this puppy in action? I could not find any demo's online. http://www.gizmag.com/taser-shockwave/12412/pictur e/88858/ | ||
| Cowboy |
I have been told that the most leathal thing to carry(with out permit) is wasp spray will reach 25 to 30 ft. and will require med. treatment to over comeand it is perfect legal to cary | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
"A KSG will do nicely, if i can find one. I like the deturant of just the sound of a round being "jacked"." Good luck with the KSG, I waited a very long time for mine. So far its a nice home defense gun and that's about it. There's many sub 800.00 guns out there that would do just as nice. | ||
| Cowboy |
I am at a loss as to why any one would carry a gun and it not be ready to fire.the average man can travel 10 ft. while you are puting a round in the pipe. This is just another reason why I carry a Glock I do not want to be fooling a round to flip a safey--If it takes longer than 1.5 sec to pull and fire you may have to eat the damn thing. | ||
| Nukeblue |
another thing to consider is the weapon you may end up using. if you end up defending yourself in court, having a ksg may hurt your case. it "could" be painted as an evil assault shotgun by the lawyers and make you look bad. a nice cheap 870 for $300 may help your case... or so they say edit: and no i would not shoot. but be ready if they entered (Message edited by nuke-blue on July 31, 2012) | ||
| Bads1 |
I'd send my Dogs out. If I didn't have them I'd do exactly as your wife did. I don't know if I could shoot someone..... I don't know unless put in the situation. | ||
| Xl1200r |
The ratio of folks in here who have a good head on their shoulders to those who think they are some kind of cowboy vigilante lawman is a bit alarming. Like motorcycles, everyone has the right to have a gun, but that doesn't mean everyone should. Shooting someone for looking at your boat and sitting in your Jeep? This has got to be some kind of joke... | ||
| 86129squids |
"DON'T TASE ME BRO!!!"  Seriously, this is a good thread- loved ones/home/property defense IS a big deal- given that the OP was 300 miles away when all this went down, I'd give him the notion of being worried to the point of being out of shape... however, with deadly force, only clear, rational, stone cold thinking will do. Of course things don't always go that way... My GF lost her husband, prior to us meeting, to suicide via eating a gun barrel. Hence she's not too much for having a gun around, but I'd sure like to have some heat handy, JUST IN CASE. Looks like a visit to the army surplus outlet would suffice... | ||
| Ourdee |
Side note: Think of it as a bear in the woods. You don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than your buddy with you. My garage is a little more secure than my neighbor's. Perp. tried my door's and windows. It was easier to get into my neighbor's. Don't forget motion lights and security cameras. Be mindful of the cameras, it's what the jury will see. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I think the problem isn't so much that they are sitting in your jeep. The problem is that if they have no respect for the law relative to property, and no common sense or good judgement, then they are statistically far more likely to make other bad decisions, which if made around your person or your family, carry a lot of risk of harm. So the first question is, how much of your stuff should you be forced to sit there and watch some bozo destroy before you are allowed to take action within the law to try and stop him or her? That leads to the second question, which is how do you defend yourself if you choose to try and stop them, but rather than suddenly decide to comply with the laws they were flouting just a second ago, they decide to make one more bad decision on top of a lifetime of bad decisions, and put you at risk? | ||
| Xl1200r |
So you're justifying taking someone's life because they MIGHT commit a more serious crime? I think they made a bad sci-fi movie about that very thing. If someone were just looking at/sitting my car in the driveway and I had a reasonable expectation that if I confronted them they would do something silly like pull a gun, I don't care if I have the biggest, baddest, most accurate hand cannon on earth - I'm not stupid enough to put myself into the situation in the first place. Stay inside and call the cops or make it obvious that you're home. 99 times out of 100, they'll leave. You are statistically more likely to die in a vehicle crash as a motorcyclist than just a regular car driver, so may as well get it over with and ride straight into a tree. | ||
| Nillaice |
So the first question is, how much of your stuff should you be forced to sit there and watch some bozo destroy before you are allowed to take action within the law to try and stop him or her? that depends on how good your insurance is and how much you like your current stuff compared to new stuff. unless you're in texas, or another similary lawed state | ||
| Hammer71 |
Simply put, (regardless of the way laws are written stating that deadly physical force may be used to protect life and property). Is someones life worth more than belongings? I dont believe so but I do agree that some dont deserve to be on this earth, however thats not the discussion here. Now in defense of self or others, fire away and shoot to kill not hurt maim or scare. Now I have been shot at, have shot at and hit my intended target as well as been jumped by a well known Mexican gang where I was beaten with bats and stabbed, none of them got shot, 15 on one in that situation I most definitely would have lost my firearm. A cool level head in any situation will ensure survival. Unfortunately in this society, being right in your choice to use deadly physical force doesnt matter anymore as public opinion and frivolous lawsuits rule the roost. Nothing says you couldnt hold the guy at gunpoint until police arrive. If he happens to move in a threatening manner or has a weapon that he reaches for then by all means defend yourself. Also remember that taking a life, right or wrong puts a great deal of stress and takes a major toll on a person ( the macho Yeah I killed or shot someone crap around friends goes away when alone) as well as family. Hope none of you need to find any of this out for yourselves. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
AND So Much of this talk we have heard depends on exactly where you live or where you have a confrontation. No political reasons intended but it DOES matter if you are in a conservative or liberal area when it happens. Be aware of that area and act accordingly. It could cost you a bunch. Let us reflect on the Trevon Martin case and all the terrible things that George Zimmerman is going through to defend his use of deadly force..........in a somewhat conservative area on deadly force use. |
