| Author | Message | ||
     Davegess |
This is a developing story that gets more interesting as time passes. http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?artic le=48975 | ||
| 86129squids |
 What the fudge, over? | ||
| Court |
WOW What a shame . . .Nobby has long been a legend. I met him by accident in Brooklyn. He carries a significant amount of the sum of motorcycle history in his head. He was out of work and Ultan hired him to maintain all the motorcycles for The Art of The Motorcycle. Nobby was also the one who was going to pack and ship the famed Red RS-1200 when Aaron agreed to replace the bike George Barber took back to the museum. He was part of the joking and taunting when I ended up riding that bike to Las Vegas. I don't know any of the details of this but it would certainly seem that Nobby would be a perfect fit to be among the Hall of Famers. He'd not be the first one to arrive brining a couple past flaws and foibles. | ||
| Davegess |
It is a mess. My take, and I really, really know nothing so I am engaging in typical internet BS here, is that Nobby got caught up in a mess with the Team Obsolete guy over some supposed stolen parts and bikes. Rob is a force in vintage racing and my understand is that he is a high dollar, big ego kind of guy who insists on things his way. Nobby pissed him off and there where certainly some shenanigans going on that led to Nobby copping a plea on some theft charges. I can see a possibility that Rob's money and influence MAY have resulted in Nobby feeling that he could not win on the very serious charges he faced so he copped to lesser charges to avoid a really big penalty that may have included jail time. I'm thinking that first, the whole nomination process for the HOF is messed up if a guy can get nominated WITHOUT the board voting on the nomination and second the HOF can't afford to piss off Rob. I suspect that Dave Despain is correct in saying that there are other members of the HOF with criminal records (these are bikers after all) and that the whole process stinks. I have never met Dave but the impression I have is that he is a straight shooter. I also can't see how he gains anything form this so I tend to believe him. Maybe the Superbike Planet folks will dig up the truth; they enjoy nailing the AMA. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Meh. Fame should be a functional reality. Seems like he qualifies. If the AMA wants a "AMA Motorcyclist Role Model Award" I'd support that also. I don't see a reason to muddle the two measures though... | ||
| Davegess |
I'm bored so started looking for stuff, here is another one. http://www.motohistory.net/news.html | ||
| Moxnix |
Just read that piece, along with a note of disappointment from Don Emde on Facebook. Agree with you on the political influence of that particular "NY lawyer." Nobby Clark will probably be remembered as a key player in M/C racing history long after that other guy becomes a footnote as wealthy team owner in the vintage series. The notoriety of this incidence likely won't build the integrity of the Hall o' Fame. | ||
| Davegess |
I'm just hoping I don't get sued for actually sorta using his name  | ||
| Moxnix |
He's got a marina up the Hudson where he's rebuilding a small fleet of WW2 PT boats. If Mr. Team Obese calls, tell him I made you use it... http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009 /04/16/ama-vs-ahrma Iannucci's lawsuit named AMA in his lawsuit, as they merely sanctioned AHRMA races, cost them three quarters of a million $$ to reach an agreement with T.O. Shame, really. Perhaps the AMA can create a Nobby Clark award for something or other, and give him the first one. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Dave, from my sources you're absolutely spot-on. No one who knows Nobby will ever claim that he's not an opinionated, out-spoken little bugger, but this situation reeks of a powerful megalomaniac vs a powerless, cheeky genius. I still wonder why no one has asked how Mr. Ianucci came into the possession of the bikes/parts that he claims Nobby "stole" from him. There's a lot more to this story than has been released. My hat's off to Dave Despain... Dave Despain Resigns From AMA Hall of Fame | Cycle News I cancelled my AMA membership this morning. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
And now Kenny Roberts... http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/industry-news/20 12/07/13/kenny-roberts-out-of-hall-of-fame/ We're witnessing a revolution, folks. | ||
| Court |
>>>but this situation reeks of a powerful megalomaniac vs a powerless, cheeky genius. Kinda my take. I expect to see more folks sending their stuff back. | ||
| Davegess |
And Dick Mann has stepped down | ||
| Moxnix |
The Great MV Agusta Caper slipped my mind. Perhaps Nobs wins after all... | ||
| Reepicheep |
Geesh, what a mess. Just when it felt like the AMA was getting their crap together. First this: http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009 /04/16/ama-vs-ahrma Well, I see part of his point, but if the AMA settlement with Iannucci means that the AHRMA gets screwed over if they don't settle with Iannucci by a certain deadline, then it seems to me based on my limited information like the AMA caved in to a bully and sold one of their race organizations down the river. If Iannucci has a beef that should lead the AMA to pull their sanctioning of the AHRMA races, then that should be a simple sanctioning rules decision. But for the AMA to say they are going to pull the sanctions by a certain date just because they are tired of legal threats? That sounds wrong to me. Here is some background I could find on the original legislation... Likely biased (which doesn't mean its wrong or right, but this is the ahrma statement). http://www.ahrma.org/ahrma_pdfs/legal/legal_update .htm Objective facts are in short supply, but it's clear that Iannucci resoundingly lost a lawsuit, and at least one appeal. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Ah. Here is a good counterpoint. Better than Dingmans. Geesh. http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/683953-ama-ahrma- divorced/ | ||
| Davegess |
Superbike planet has a pretty good story on it also. | ||
| Buelliedan |
what a mess!! | ||
| Slaughter |
News is spreading... http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/07/13/ama-hall-of-f ame-nobby-clark-controversy/ | ||
| Moxnix |
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. ~Robert J. Hanlon | ||
| 86129squids |
GREAT quote, Mox! Given that our man Erik is on the AMA board, wonder what his take might be on this? Hopefully at least his amount of brains and good mojo can help offset this debacle a little... | ||
| Jramsey |
Dick Klamfoth and Ed Fisher have resigned as well. http://www.flattrack.com/index.php?option=com_kune na&view=topic&catid=3&id=173996&Itemid=0 | ||
| Rohorn |
Got more than just an impression that Nobby knew enough to get a certain person jailed, but not enough about legal manipulation to keep himself from getting framed. As soon as I read about the AMA rescinding his nomination, only one name came to mind. I wonder if he wrote DA's article for him at Superbikeplanet (right down there with AsRub for sources of bad info, in my opinion). Just as well - there are people who do the sport no good - anything they do to reduce their credibility (as if they ever really had any) is fine with me. | ||
| Moxnix |
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jul/120713iiie eee.htm | ||
| Davegess |
It is looking more like simple incompetence than anything else. The nominations were handled completely wrong and then when he got elected they completely screwed the pooch but rescind it. The way to deal with this would have been to accept him in, he certainly belongs, and then go back a fix the nomination process to prevent these kind of things happening. | ||
| 86129squids |
Mox, thanks again- for that link. Interesting read to say the least. Seems like things, they may be a' changin'. Or, dangit, I hope so. | ||
| Moxnix |
In psychology, Hanlon's Razor usually is less harsh: To explain human behavior, assume incompetence before malice. >>The way to deal with this would have been to accept him in, he certainly belongs, and then go back a fix the nomination process to prevent these kind of things happening. Exactly. | ||
| Moxnix |
Don Emde offers his take: http://www.motohistory.net/news.html | ||
| Jramsey |
http://www.motohistory.net/news.html | ||
| Jramsey |
http://www.aimag.com/wordpress/2012/08/nobby-clark -inducted-ama-motorcycle-hall-of-fame-gives-in-to- popular-outcry/ |
