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     Psykick_machanik |
people please get off the cliff. America is not done, were not collapsing, were not going to kill off the weak (well maybe that one), and were not going to put the hammer n sickle on the flag. Yes were under the leadership of a complete DOUCH BAG but our country and system is to strong to circle the toilet just yet. Yes this sux but the sky isnt falling....yet | ||
| Oldog |
I'm ready to learn the truth about Erik Holder did he and Obama break the law if so they must be punished. His evasiveness and missed steps, lead me to believe that there is some thing bad going on, My Guess is that Darrell Issa sees it the same way. Brian Terry deserves the truth..... I hope that Romney wins, exec orders waivers for OBAMA CARE and its repealed in the first session of congress. I hope to see Reid, Polosi, and other politicians who were part of this "foisting" on the people removed from office in disgrace and if wrong doing has happened I hope that they are punished for it. Reid should be recalled by his state for his obstruction of the budget proposals. In part we have done this to our selves, when we as a people elect people like Joe Bieden, Harry Reid, and Nancy Polosi, The good news is its' reversible. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
try to hold opposition political speech placards and groups near where the OBammer is try to pick up a KSG shorty bull pup shot gun yet been forced out of your house in 'an emergency' that is largely fabricated flown a civilian air transport in the last decade feeling good about indeterminate incarceration without right of redress if you are labelled subversive, terrorist or a threat to the state without a speedy trail - if there is to be a trail at all in a military tribunal - by a set of juris members of court that is not of your peers, nor impartial waterboarding and enhanced questioning tactics are all fun and games when they are used on the 'other' guy and there has not been a challenge to States vs Federal rights on this level since the Civil War. Tell me which of the realities of contemporary Amerika you feel most secure in . This ain't the place I grew up in.... it is however the place I studied and been deployed to many a time - It stinks of Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, Yugoslavia and Unkle Joe's Soviet nope it isn't happening - go back to sleep hell it never happened to begin with, right ? | ||
| Xbjelly9s |
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| Tom_b |
We have been in a govt. mandated retirement and helthcare plan for over 75 yrs. the social security act of 1936 Made it MANDATORY for everyone who worked pay into it. Medicare is mandatory after a certain age. my great Uncle was laughing about all the hoopla over the affordable health care act. he said the same thing happened when social security was enacted.. he is 94 yrs old a remembrs it all very well. FDR was called by many a socialist and his new plan would bankrupt the govt. and taxes would be astronomical. | ||
| Tom_b |
so i gues my point is. al the hysteria and hoopla now is no different from then. It took FDR almost 2 years and a lot of dealmaking to get thse social security act. as it was NOT popular.. sounds familiar. He was trying to keep poor peeople from going hunry during old age or diability.The affordable plan is trying to do the sam thing , but due to health care.. | ||
| Tom_b |
Froggy. June 28 @ 1:21 pm. ... One of few posts that actually makes sense.Not a bunch of hysterical "what if's" and right wing rumor mongering | ||
| Cityxslicker |
The Social Security number IS Socialist / Faschist; It is the digital nine numeric serial registry that follows you from birth to death, tallies your production, consumption, location, and affiliations Hitler would be proud - think of all the ink he would have saved on tattoo's That is essentially the thesis of the senior paper I wrote in highschool - the school board threatened to not let me graduate. | ||
| Court |
>>>>his new plan would bankrupt the govt. and taxes would be astronomical. Pretty much what's happened, eh? I'm going to get back but a mere fraction of what I've aid in over the years. Had I taken the money I paid in, stuck it in a saving account and made 4% I'd have a couple million dollars. When I retire my total social security income won't pay our cell phone and internet bill each month. If you think you are going to live off of social security, which does have astronomical costs, you are sadly mistaken. In addition, social security was to be a "lock box" (the feds didn't touch the money the people put in there) . . . well, how'd that work out for you? :-) ••••••• idiots. | ||
| Tom_b |
...idiots? not only right wing blather. but now name callng court? I would have expected better from you. guess i was wrong. social security has not even come close to bankruptig our country. No i don't plan on ever needing it. also Court i would like to know who your cell phone carrier and internet provider are. you are either paying WAAAY too much or you have seriously never paid any taxes to get any benefit. Or yur just lying (Message edited by tom b on June 30, 2012) | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Liberals....smh | ||
| Aesquire |
None of these previous destroyers of the Republic have managed to actually destroy it. Well, that's arguable. For about a century the Progressive movement worldwide has gained power so immense that it boggles. Leftism, Communism, Fascism... Change the name all you want, it is an authoritarian religion that worships the Holy State and the power it gives to a very few and the wealth it steals from everyone else. Entirely man made, it often represses religion and denies the existence of G-d, as it is a jealous religion and can tolerate no other. But because that is the real goal, and few except the self appointed elites that want to rule would think it a good thing, the leftists must lie about their goals, their methods and their very beliefs. If Obama had stood up at the DNC convention and announced he was going to tax those who did not bribe him, give your money to those who did, and call racist, insane, and evil all who disagreed, would you have voted for him? Yet that, exactly, are his actions. Daily. So while I'm only partly aware of the degradation of liberty and personal freedoms, and that only for my semi-adult life, I can read, and the land Mark Twain and Robert Heinlein describe from a century ago is gone. Not just because of the airplane, the automobile, and the Pill, though those have had huge changes in society, sexuality and personal movement. As Heinlein put it, you can tell when a society is falling by the public restrooms. Once no one would have ever used them and left them filthy in their wake, Now grown men shake at the thought. The respect that most of society had for it's police and government is a fraction. ( the dumbest of drug laws, racially inspired gun control laws, and revenue based traffic laws account for most of the disrespect the police have to put up with...and it's not THEIR fault ) When everyone is a criminal, who's left to offer the police respect? The leftists donate little to charity, because they demand that the government take from you to give to causes they like. It would never occur to them to give of their own wealth. ( the records are crystal clear on that ) That's not their job, that's the job of the government. It's also not their money. Now, many countries survive for a time under these pressures. Sweden, for example has seemed to thrive with a socialist republican monarchy. ( they also did ok under threat of Nazi Invasion, and before that, while busy conquering Europe... which just goes to show the Swedes are pretty flexible, not that the idea is a good one. ) Eventually, you run out of other people's money, and you cannot, no matter what Barry and Nancy tell you, borrow your way out of debt. Finally, though "of course it can never happen here" ( the mantra of the soon to be shipped to Camps throughout history ) this political/religious/ideology has resulted in more deaths by institutionalized murder than any other in the history of the planet. Take Tamerlane, for example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur ....after the city revolted against Timur's punitive taxes by killing the tax collectors and some of Timur's soldiers, Timur ordered the complete massacre of the city, killing a reported 70,000 citizens. An eye-witness counted more than 28 towers, each constructed of about 1,500 heads..........The conquests of Timur are claimed to have caused the deaths of up to 17 million people..... Piker. Or the Mongol conquest of Persia. When they ran up against the great walled cities of Mesopotamia, the long sieges began. In time past, ( for example the Peloponnesian wars.... Greece ) a besieging army would destroy crops around the cities to cut off supplies and starve them out. Not easy to destroy crops with swords instead of Scythes, with soldiers instead of farmers, but the purpose was to draw the enemy out from the walls to be defeated in the open as they tried to stop the destruction. The Mongols did it differently. They wrecked the irrigations systems, which require constant work to keep functional, because water by it's nature wants to go downhill. ( they have NEVER been rebuilt as they were ) Mindful that green wheat won't burn easy and olive trees are hard to cut down, the Mongols instead simply killed all the peasants. No farmers, no food for the cities, starvation, collapse, then, the Sack. 90+% of the population was killed. "They made a Desert and called it Peace" Pikers. Skip WW2. Skip over 50 million POW's killed. Murdered, starved, worked to death. Skip all that. Killing of the citizens of the countries ruled by the Reds, by their own governments, approach a billion. We don't have documentation on that number because, ( see above ) leftists lie. The numbers that CAN be verified are bad enough. http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM Other sources show far more than one hundred million murdered in China alone on the orders of one man. This president has appointed people that find the greatest mass murderer in the history of the planet one if it's greatest philosophers. Mao. 'nuff said. | ||
| Carbonsteel |
"In addition, social security was to be a "lock box" (the feds didn't touch the money the people put in there) . . . well, how'd that work out for you?" If tax money taken in for Social Security had been invested in marketable Treasury Bonds as it was intended (this is the so called lock box that everyone talks about), there is no way the Government would spend it. These marketable Treasury Bonds are considered to be “good as gold” and backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. just like the Dollar and therefore will always be there; the Government could not and would not spend it. However, the scum bags in Washington have been investing SS in non-marketable Government Securities instead, which is nothing more than an IOU. Why? So they can spend it of course. The Government can and possibly will default on such IOU’s. There is not on red cent of hard currency currently available for SS. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Religious exemptions http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/exemptions. asp http://www.taxalmanac.org/index.php/Sec._1402._Def initions The Russian Orthodox religion was no friend of the Reds when they were the Soviet (there was an easing of the killing when Stalin found the church 'motivational'..... and then it was back on after the summer) 1000+years of dealing with meddling mealy minded authoritarian administrative pencil neck twits from a capital that thinks it knows better- .... On the American front - calling into the IRS on Monday - IF the American Transcendalists are sanctioned as a religion that was established before 1950 (which it was) and you can conscientously object under the teachings of Thoreau, Emerson, Whitman and Dickenson Then F' the Obamanator from that front too. "If I knew for a certainly that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life" Henry David Thoreau. | ||
| Tom_b |
so why are pushing for a religious excemption city??? You don't have health insurance? expect the rest of us to pay for your hospital, doctor bills and such? if you have health insurance or can afford to pay for it now. what are you worried about? i have been running my own business for 15 yrs and pay my own health insurance. I won't puss out on some lame ass loophole. and expect everyone else to pay. I will and always have paid my own way | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Nope, I don't have insurance, I never have. It is a loosing transactional derivative exposition. did insurance for years - licensed as agent, broker, and broker support for life, health, annuities, LTC, STC, ADD, and of course pre-need burial It is gamed industry - and IF you know the game - the rules and regulations - don't really apply. I have always worked contract, or commission - without benefits, and negotiated a higher salary because of it. I have always put that money away. And it is a good think I did - because the last three years of this miserable economy have been torturous. the religious exemptions are for you guys. I plan to kill this thing from as many facets as I can. I am up on a couple of other boards leading a charge for Concientous exemption against the IRS as well. Defund it from the base. Change your withholding, and come April - if you disagree with the bill - prove it by opting out of paying the taxes - it is after all - only a corporate debt. No more so than being overdrawn at WallyMart for your big screen tv and then on the other side of things, I am helping a local translation company register as many latinos for care as I can .... Kill the funding, over run the consumption. F#ck this bill. F#ck the Communist Creep. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
All animals are equal - some more equal than others. It is the mantra of every socialist platform in one form or another http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform -implementation/202791-hhs-finalizes-more-than-120 0-healthcare-waivers All told, 1,231 companies applied for and received waivers from the law’s restrictions on annual benefit caps The waivers cover slightly less than 4 million people, or about 3 percent of the population, HHS said..... I have always paid my own way - I am however beyond tired of paying the way of every other fraction. This is the death of 1000 cuts It collapses the economy EXACTLY as the housing crisis did - because the reinsurance market for policies of the 'exchange' and the 'high risk pools' are funded on derivative exponent factorial markets.... the same widgets that killed Housing and subsequently got us this current repressive economic malaise. IF you cant see it over the horizon - then I wish you the full enjoyment of it when it arrives. I have seen this show enough times to know how it ends Go back and read my posts - I have been saying this thing was a tax for two years. Wanna go head to head on the rest of the bill ? Hell, I will give you a month to read it. It is more time and consideration than the idiots that signed it did. | ||
| Tom_b |
Yep city.. it figures a person like you whines the most and won't even do anything. if you read above. i PAY for my insurance unlike you. Always have for the last 30 years. i don't work the "loopholes" like a welfare bitch. I still hold an Life, A and h and annuity certificate in my home state. as i was involved in the biz for about 6 years. I am surprised what ever companies you worked for didn't require you to carry insurance as you should practice what you attempt to sell to others. i pay my taxes. i own my home right out and my 6 bikes are paid for. i won't opt out and let others pay my way. never have never will. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
never mind, don't bother with the bill - simple reading comprehension is apparently lacking. Enjoy the show. | ||
| Tom_b |
so let me get this straight city. Your alledgedy an insurance agent. a financial adviser of sorts. but you are advising people to opt out instead of possibly getting reasonable insurance at a reasonble cost? possibly lose whatever assets they may have and face possible medical bankruptcy? That makes no sense. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Please cite your source with in this bill of rates, policies, coverages, and benefits in light of premiums that is reasonable 'insurance' this bill is Medicaid - it is an entitlement. It FORCES insurance into the factorial deriviative market based solely on transactional predictive processes ie - well of course they will pay their premium, it is their health, and there is a severe IRS penalty .... ie of course they will pay their mortgage- the house is the biggest investment ..... The polices that should be assessed to people are an independent and individual assessment based on personal underwriting characteristics and history , mitigated against risk, determined and weighted by an aggragate premium. Show me in the bill where this occurs. Hint: as all policies are forced to be the same rates and construction (bronze, silver, gold) and you cannot exclude for pre exist, nor can you adjust premium for gender, or past medical history, nor are their annual limits to assigned benefits, nor life time caps.... Show me a policy you have ever sold that had those lines of policy. This thing is pure rope a dope - show the happy happy shiny side of it in a cliffs notes summary - hide the hammer and sickle in 2600 pages of text, and 1800 pages of USC supporting title code. IF you like this bill, you havent read it, or were paid off by it, or missed economics and history | ||
| Aesquire |
Tom b, Why do you think the "health care system" is such a problem? What made it so expensive and require all these taxes and mandates? The answer is simple, we semi-socialized it, and the natural Iron Law of Bureaucracy kicks in. We have multiple programs with multiple staffs doing the exact same thing for, in many cases, the exact same people, and in all cases the same location.... Medicare, medicade, Hud's urban clinic programs, etc. etc. etc. But run by the government, you have the Iron Law. Each manager is motivated, judged, and paid by how big a staff he can run. There's more would be princes than kingdoms, so the kingdoms have to multiply, and they have. This isn't ideology, good or evil, it's just the way any organization works. Pournelle's Iron Law. In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely. Restated... ...in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: those who work to further the actual goals of the organization, and those who work for the organization itself. Examples in education would be teachers who work and sacrifice to teach children, vs. union representatives who work to protect any teacher including the most incompetent. The Iron Law states that in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization, and will always write the rules under which the organization functions. In a private company evolution takes place, adapt or die, Kodak couldn't so was consumed from within. But in government, projects take on a life of their own, and survive as leaches on the rest of us long after their original purpose has been taken over by other projects/divisions/groups... It just keeps getting bigger,and that's with so-called conservatives running things. this is a bi-partisan queation...rant. feel free to believe that's it's more the other guys fault....I certainly do, and I believe there is a difference in the sides, so what? When the mob finds out it can vote bread and circuses it is the end of the Republic. And they know, and it's a disaster. so. How socialist do you want to be? What are the limits that the gov cannot do? How can you pay for a society when no one has to work? Accept that incontrovertible fact, that you just can't give everyone an above average income by taking it from some and passing it around. It's freaking math. To go back to a balanced budget tomorrow would require us to lay off a couple of million federal and state employees..... making the balancing of the budget politically impossible, and in the real world, necessary. Any answers to the above 3 questions? These are the questions the politicians of both sides don't want to hear, because on the libertarian end of our response to those questions, most of them would be fired. End bipartisan rant. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Health Care is not a right. It is a product, a service, a process that you enter into by choice. IF you do not value your personal health enough to maintain self care, weight, routine checkups, medication that you need etc; I see nowhere that it is my responsibility to do so in your absense of personal determination. I am not your keeper, trust me - you would never wish me to be in a position of such - my apathy is only surpassed by my indifference. I have seen dead bodies piled up on top of each other entirely too many times, to have any feeling to it at all - and every time - it starts like this. 'for the good of all' 'for the bettering of society' 'for the benefit of humanity' 'for the health of the nation' 'for the safety of our cities' yep - there are corpses waiting in the wings when that shiate hits the press. However, I am only one guy, I cant stop these f*cks on my own - the more that are awake, alive, free, thinking - make their job harder, the goals nothing but lies. And if you think it could never happen here.... theres an internment camp about an hour from my house - it was staffed and used within only one generations removed time from our own. Go read up on this guy, read his own words, then read Marx, Stalin, Che, Lenin, Mao, Hitler - if you are not shocked by the parallels : indeed, go back to sleep - nothing to see here. In God we Trust, In all others we Monitor. | ||
| Geedee |
City, are the health services to be delivered ultimately by private corporations tendering to government, ie Public/Private? | ||
| Aesquire |
Initially, it will be a mix of private and government companies/agencies delivering the MONEy to the system. Fewer and fewer private companies will be involved as time goes by because the PURPOSE of the "affordable healthcare act" ( it's pro-Obama news designation ) is to squeeze out the private companies, with massive regulation. Make it unaffordable to buy private insurance and unprofitable to provide. That's what's happening today. Many companies are dropping children only insurance and the whole industry is supposed to give it up in the next few years.... Give up health insurance as a bad business model. Giving the Government systems a total monopoly. At least that's the desired result. Some private plans will persist for a while, but the tax on "cadillac" plans is meant to drive them out as well. ( hmm, "cadillac" plans... isn't that racist? ) I don't know what/when/if the plans are to take over homeowners insurance and car insurance, but I bet there are bills in the wings under lock and key just waiting to be pulled out at the right time... just like Obamacare was written long before Barack took office. If that sounds paranoid, ask yourself who controls ALL flood insurance? Who controls all student loans? Who controls the SWAT teams in the IRS? Who controls the paramilitary forces laid out in Obamacare? ( answer to the last one... Obama through him minion the Surgeon General and the Sec of HHS. ) The market watch people publish the results of government contracts. It's vital information to investors to know how a company is doing. Knowing that, say, Harris Communication is going to make 15,000 comm widgets for the Army makes a big difference in buying their stock, or investing in a pizza parlor near the factory gates...right? So we know the IRS bought a buttload of "sawed off" shotguns for their SWAT teams. Remingtons. We know that the "mental Hygiene police" built into the "affordable h-care act" have ordered hundreds of automatic weapons and body armor. FN-USA, other companies....It's on record. Nothing like an agency with a heavily armed paramilitary branch not answerable to Congress, eh? Waco II, anyone? Insurance companies and Banks are the perfect target for class envy hatred tactics. We don't like those mitherf7867s anyway. Class envy hatred tactics are what they DO. It's in their mothers milk. The basic lie of the leftists have ALWAYS been that your neighbor is at fault for your misfortune because he exploits you...... No one can get richer than another unless it's exploitation. Does "fat cat bankers" ring a bell? A few quotes... guess who said which one. Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it But if you - if what - the reports are true, what they're saying is, is that as a consequence of us getting 30 million additional people health care, at the margins that's going to increase our costs, we knew that. Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. What luck for rulers that men do not think. Contrary to the claims of some of my critics and some of the editorial pages, I am an ardent believer in the free market. I think when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody. I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95 percent of all working families, because, in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle class. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
They don't need SWAT - they already have with in the bill an armed 'advisory' Cadre of 'Health' Officers - 2500 of them. Go back and look at recent American History and Fiascos - Damage - Deaths that were started with a nomimal element of 'advisors'.....Start with the OSS and move forward from there. How do you manage a herd ? You push the stragglers - goad them to move forward with the median, you stifle the fast leaders, chase and make examples of the 'exceptions, and you surround the middle - and push them at a predictable plodding pace moving them with timed intervals for food, water, and distance/route - in the end, they are slaughtered. You have to decide if you are Sheep / Democrat, or Cattle / Republican Because it is the same cycle - as long as you behave like a herd - they will push and drive you like one. Those of you in farming, livestock, should be able to see right through their game. and in a nod to Douglas Adams - the answer is not 42, but 250,000. That is the number that the 'fed' released this week that is the transactional 'fattening' consumption / production / entitlement / stipend number that they are gaming for the birth and cycle of one new American to the age of 17 years old. Ask yourself - how they came up with such a number.... and how the intend to make that number a pocketed reality. Buy a piglet for $80; sell the hog to slaughter for 450-700 depending on size, breed, feed and lienage. The game is Livestock - the sooner you see it, the sooner you can realize that a rouge black sheep -..... is still Sheep. The machine is hungry - it doesn't care - if it is fed beef or mutton. There is no "Health Care" in the bill - if you have read it, you know it. | ||
| Pellis |
http://patriotpost.com/editions/13830 http://www.cdapress.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/ article_8f2d2421-28e6-5aa5-9c11-a5ba51842e52.html The following is an article from the Czech Republic newspaper Prager Zeitung on April 28, 2010 that zeros in on the really serious problem in this country. “The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. “The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.” The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him president. | ||
| Aesquire |
... and were not going to put the hammer n sickle on the flag. True. I suppose we have nothing to worry about. the debt can't possible rise to each man women and child owing more than $50k each, or $250k each in ten years. ( from the voted down Obama budget proposal ) No way would Congress pass a bill that requires you to buy a product from a private company...or go to jail. No way would the Government give billion$ of tax payer money to companies that vanish like soap bubbles after promising to create green energy and thousands of jobs..... and all seem to have given large campaign donations to one man...... No way will NASA be ordered to stop flying spacecraft, and become an outreach program to Muslims extolling the virtues of Islamic Science. ( which, IIRC, ended before the 14th century... but was pretty darn good in comparison to the European dark ages ) No way that the President can encourage the overthrow of a US allied ( albeit a crappy one ) regime in Egypt while ignoring a failed revolution in Iran. Not a chance we could go to war in Libya with the cooperation of the UN, but not the American Government. Not a chance that the President could claim the power to murder anyone of any citizenship, anywhere, with no trial, appeal, or oversight. Or claim the power to imprison anyone any American, indefinitely, in secret, so that you would disappear and your family never know where you went to. No Cabinet level official would announce that the greatest threat to America ( which I might read as "to MY administration" ) is Veterans, believers in limited government, and those who disagree with the Imperious Leader. No, none of that stuff could possibly happ.... Hey! wait a minute! | ||
| Fb1 |
Q: Do Mr. and Mrs. Obama celebrate Independence Day? | ||
| Xbjelly9s |
This is what i'm thinking...  |
