| Author | Message | ||
     Gunut75 |
Froggy, that guy is taking an unacceptable risk! The six pack is barely balanced and could tip over and smash on the ground way too easily.  ......Thats what I was thinkin'!!!..............at least put it in yer backpack or something.............SCHEEZ! | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
LOL when I first glanced at the picture, I didn't even notice he was opening a bottle. | ||
| Stirz007 |
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| Mtjm2 |
When I was young , many years ago . My friend and I decided to stop and do some burn outs . On the third or fourth pass, he lost control. The bike had some road rash , but his face was a mess. Open face helmet save his brains ,not his face . I will never forget that . I was wearing a full face BELL . | ||
| Brumbear |
diggin them slacks dude is sportin as well | ||
| Bgbrd |
I'm a PA Motorcycle safety program instructor. This week I opened up a class and began level 1,mainly an introduction on being prepared, the importance of gear and the utmost importance of helmet use. The class shared their own stories of how helmets saved them from injury.I shared with them my own story of hiting a deer, landing on the asphalt face first and getting up and walking away. What really cheezed me off is at the end of class one of the younger students left on his hyabusa with his helmet, you guessed it, on the helmet holder.hanging off the side of the bike! The way I sse things these days it seems on average that the cruiser riders wear leather from their feet to their neck and nothing on their heads and the sportbike ridres wearing a $500.00 helmet and shorts and sneakers. I and a lot of my fellow coaches feel we are not getting across to a lot of people and it kind of bums me out. When we start the riding session on Sun should I unload on this guy or try to be professional ask him to think about what he did? | ||
| Britchri10 |
You can't fix stupid. All anyone can do is emphasize the positives of helmet wear & leave it to the individual to decide. BTW: They are mandatory [unless you are a Sikh] where I come from & have been shown to be beneficial in any accident at any speed. Chris C | ||
| Crusty |
You can't be recognized in a full face helmet, you know. I saw a couple of very Hardcore bikers in Connecticut wearing colors and full face helmets with mirror shields. There's no helmet law in Connecticut. If the real Hardcore bikers start wearing full face helmets, how long will it take until the wannabes start wearing them? | ||
| Akbuell |
Bgbrd: Were it me, I would, during the 'stand around' bits before class, tell him you noticed him leaving, and ask why no helmet on? My mental approach would be one of my trying to learn, as (in his case) I, as the instructor, had not gotten the message across. Other students will, I'm sure, listen to the discussion, and the proper message will be reinforced, whether the young man involved 'gets it' or not. | ||
| Psykick_machanik |
The way i see it is if the guy has enough brains to show up to the class then he's worth saving and a good helpful talking to about that helmet saving those brains might actually sink in. | ||
| Kenm123t |
NATURAL SELECTION AT ITS BEST! Dont waste your time you can't fix stupid !' Ron White | ||
| Crusty |
I'm curious; how many people do you actually know who died on a motorcycle? Were they wearing a helmet? If they were, did it help them? If they weren't, would it have helped them? I have four friends who have died on bikes, over the years. Three were wearing helmets. The one who wasn't would not have been helped by one; according to the Highway Patrolman who was at the scene. I also know somebody whose life was saved because he was wearing a helmet. When I had my bad road accident, I hit my head pretty hard, but I had no head injury. I was wearing a helmet, but I also wonder how much the extra weight of the helmet contributed to my hitting my head. Not everybody who chooses not to wear a helmet is stupid. Some people weigh the odds of having an accident and weigh that against the increased sensory input. They know the odds and make decisions based on what they want to feel vs. the chance of hitting their head. In 43 years of riding, I've only needed a helmet once on the road (On the track, that's another story). I choose to wear a helmet, but the odds are pretty good that I won't need it. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Of those I've known who died riding 3 were wearing lids but it made no odds, that was back in the late 70s in the UK. The only other person I knew who died riding was Greg Holman, as far as I'm aware he wasn't wearing a lid & I've no idea if it would have made a difference had he been. I still think of him a lot, & it sucks knowing that I'll never see that big grin again. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
I came around a corner a two days ago to find passer-by's picking up motorcycle parts out of the road. Some T-shirt wearing young guy was gathering himself while trying to start his R6 on the berm. Eventually it started, he tucked what broken parts he could gather in his lap, and took off like a bat out of hell. Helmet? Still strapped to the grab handle. Apparently he tried a wheelie and looped it superman style. I'm told there was major road rash beneath that T-shirt. I can guarantee that, even immediately following a major wipeout, putting that helmet on didn't even cross his mind. Crusty, I'd say the proportion of 'idiots' that don't wear a helmet, compared to those that 'weigh the odds of having an accident and weigh that against the increased sensory input', are not in your favor. | ||
| Crusty |
Crusty, I'd say the proportion of 'idiots' that don't wear a helmet, compared to those that 'weigh the odds of having an accident and weigh that against the increased sensory input', are not in your favor. Why? | ||
| Littlebuggles |
Bgbrd, I had a [brc] student almost run me down as she blew a stop sign on the way to class. I asked her about it and her response was "What stop sign". I suggested to her that she might want to either pay more attention, since she ran the sign, or find a new hobby. I wasn't rude, but I didn't tip-toe either. Crusty, [Quality full-face] helmets don't weigh that much, keep your eyes protected better than sun glasses and keep the noise down at speed. I find wearing one keeps me from loosing my mind due to sensory overload. Also my sight and hearing are not only important to me for my work but enjoyment of my life. I can't imagine how folks can ride down the interstate without a lid, too noisy for me, and air-born grit, gravel and debris sting. Even around town my speeds are often enough to warrant the lid for the reasons listed above. Got hit in the throat by a wasp one morning, tail first. My helmet didn't do a bit of good for that... hurt like crazy, I still wear my lid though. Good thing I stuck with that because a year later there were scratches and skid marks all the way around the helmet I was wearing when I was thrown from the hood of the car that cut me off. I rolled a couple times on the asphalt and came up on my feet... I was fit and young enough that the EMT's commented on my BP and heart rate when they arrived only minutes later. "You don't read like someone who's just been hit" or something to that effect. So consider this, even though the "What if" mental training and gymnastics I took in high school and college got me on my feet and out of traffic after the initial impact, there was too much force involved at less than 35 mph to keep my head off the hood and pavement. Find a decent quality last years model helmet on clearance, they are quite light, inexpensive, and can keep your brain from becoming pudding. | ||
| Crusty |
I always wear a helmet. Period. I prefer a modular helmet over either a full face or open face. At present I wear a Nolan X-1002. My next helmet (hopefully) will be a Schuberth C-3. However, not everybody who makes the choice not to wear a helmet is an idiot. A lot depends on the way someone rides and where a person rides. I was just pointing that out. It seems that helmet usage has become almost a religion. On the one side are the helmet fanatics who scream, "If you don't wear a helmet, you're an idiot and you're going to die!" On the other side are the fanatics who scream, "Helmets are heavy and I hate wearing one and I would rather wear a plastic yamulke that makes me look like an escapee from a State Hospital!" My point is that not everybody on both sides is an idiot, and maybe there's some validity to both opposing arguments. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
John, I was helmet trying just yesterday & my next helmet will most probably be a C3, the only other lid that fit my noggin better was a Shoei Quest, & at only about 20% less than the Schuberth, I reckoned it was a little dear for what's basically a bottom line helmet. | ||
| Littlebuggles |
"A lot depends on the way someone rides and where a person rides. I was just pointing that out." I get that, but there is little we can do to account for failure to pay attention on the part of the others on the road, besides wearing protective apparel and riding like they are all out to get us. Riding a motorcycle is a calculated risk. Riding sans helmet doesn't increase the risk of getting hit, just the possibility of being seriously injured or killed. There have been three or four incidents in the last month here where riders were killed, every one of them was not wearing a helmet. | ||
| Aesquire |
Saved by a helmet? More than once. Bicycle, Motorcycle, Hang Gliding, Skydiving.... Assorted stupid human tricks... Not usually the famous last lines.."hey Bubba, Watch This!" but more than I should admit.. "hmm, I can make that..." My Mother once complained I do too many sports that use a helmet. Counting the lids in the house.... heck I've got 5 in the living room right now. 2 Motorcycle, ( HJC modular, Suomy Spec 1-R ) a SCA heavy combat helmet, 2 bicycle helmets..... ( fencing masks don't count... ) No need to get into the jackets, from mesh to leather.... The number of folk killed because the helmet was heavy, or they drowned in their own vomit, ( a very nasty way to go... ) etc. is so small that from a statistics point of view, it's like being hit by lightning. I admit your odds on getting killed BY your helmet are better than being hit and injured by a small meteorite, ( which has happened ) but actually worse than being killed by an asteroid strike.... ( which, although when a major strike is in question, IF is a certainty ) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/5511619/14-year-old-hit-by-30000-mph-space-meteorite.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylacauga_(meteorite) You are NOT certain to fall off a bike. Darn near, over a lifetime. Certainly guys with helmets die in crashes, but it's not brain damage that does them in. And have no doubt Daim Bramage does you in. I'm against helmet laws since I think of it as evolution in action. I understand the arguments on insurance/healthcare costs borne by the rest of society for an individual's idiocy, er, Choice, but since that argument is nearly the Platonic Ideal for the concept of a "Slippery Slope", it's a bad idea.  | ||
| Britchri10 |
People that don't choose to wear a helmet aren't necessarily idiots. many smart people make what I would consider stupid decisions all the time (myself included). My saying it is stupid not to wear a helmet is just my opinion. As far as helmets saving someone from dying in a crash: That is the extreme end of the spectrum. I've come off 3 times on the road. On no occasion did I die. Was this 'cause I had a helmet on? No. The helmet saved me from some facial road rash on two occasions. (The 3rd one, I just fell off @ 3 MPH in a parking lot). I have had more serious head/facial trauma from contact sports than I have had from motorcycling. Do I wear a helmet to play rugby? I would if they would let me! Chris C | ||
| Aesquire |
Correction.... Your odds on your lid killing you are lower than a personal meteorite hit, but higher than a death by asteroid strike. ( realized I phrased that wrong...  Lower than the lid saving you by a lottery long shot. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
yeah Chris Nancy and I got to watch just how effectively you are able to utilize the protection afforded by a helmet. yes quality FF lids don't weigh that much... my new one is listed as 1250g +-50g 2.75lbs and is pretty dang aerodynamic... | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Ah rugby, "Rugby is a beastly game played by gentlemen; soccer is a gentleman's game played by beasts; football is a beastly game played by beasts." - Henry Blaha I used to play scrum half at school, the opposition hated me because I was totally unpredictable which way I'd pass. Cost me some lumps but was good fun. | ||
| Britchri10 |
I started @ prop (aged 9). Moved to flanker. Screwed up my knee. Moved to Center. Moved to USA & became a FH. Played some center again. Retired. Un-retired & propped again. (@ 6'1" & 185 Lbs) Finally retired 5 years ago as a wing!. Broken nose (x10-13 I lost count) 250+ stitches in face/mouth/head. Several concussions. Knee reconstruction & two further knee scopes, broken ankle, back surgery & a broken upper arm. (I'm not counting cracked ribs, broken fingers etc') Gotta love the game! Chris C (Message edited by britchri10 on June 17, 2012) | ||
| Psykick_machanik |
the only thing that bothers me about the no helmet reasoning is "the weight of the helmet will break my neck". To me thats on the same line as anti steele toed boot folks saying the steele toe will cut their toes off, which mythbusters busted by the way. i've been waiting a long time to use those guys as a data source. If you dont want to wear a helmet just say so, its none of my business anyway. "Dress for the crash, not the ride." Happy fathers day | ||
| Zane |
December 18th, 2008 I laid my Blast down in a construction zone. Hit some gravel in a bumpy lane shift and I high sided off the bike. Landed head first and slid across the pavement about 25 or 30 feet before tucking into a roll. The jacket I was wearing prevented any road rash to my torso. The ER doctor didn't mince any words. He told me that I had made a good decision to wear a helmet and that it “without a doubt saved my life.” Right side forehead/temple area took the initial impact and right side from temple to chin area were ground down pretty good. Had some road rash on my left hand (no gloves) and lower fore arm when the sleeve rode up some. Also tore the crap out my right meniscus. Things could have been a lot worse but the gear did its job. I keep that old torn up helmet by the door to remind me to wear my helmet. I wear a full face helmet 100% of the time. You can do as you please but I don't get on the bike without a helmet. | ||
| Stirz007 |
 (Message edited by stirz007 on June 19, 2012) | ||
| Stretchman |
My only gripe about helmets is the styrofoam packing. There was a biker I knew named Frenchy who used to make novelty helmets, but his were different. He used some kind of special foam inside, and you could take a hammer, and hit the helmet while your fist was inside, and not feel it. WHatever his secret was, he took it to the grave with him. I imagine his son was party to the info, but folded up shop. The point I am trying to make is that I think there's better material out there to make helmets with than styrofoam. They really don't need to be so big, but no one has done any development on helmets since like, what, the 70s? Maybe improvements in the old design, but nothing new. There's got to be something better out there. We just haven't figured it out yet. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
The reason helmets are big is the same as why small cars these days are twice as big on the outside while no bigger inside. The extra is to deform & absorb the impact. It's not the actual speed that does the damage it's the rate of change of speed. If you can effectively double the time from initial impact to stop you're halving the deceleration. Your brain "floats" inside your skull so it keeps on moving after your head stops. You may have a thick skull but it won't stop your brain getting scrambled, literally! That's why my Shoei is getting retired, I banged my head on the ground with it, not hard to be sure, but enough to warrant replacement. I value my head highly, & as has previously been stated, men with no head don't get laid much. |
