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Blake
Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The amorphous alloys have been around for some time now, but I hadn't seen this before. Really cool from my structural analyst point of view.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-939151540 119819530

http://www.liquidmetal.com/technology/properties-c omparison/

Can't find a listing of elastic modulus, but it looks to be significantly higher than any other industrial metallic material we're using today.
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Whistler
Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting
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Gregtonn
Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It was used in golf clubs more than ten years ago. Interesting stuff.

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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 02:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The iPhone 5 is supposed to be made of that stuff.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

isn't this what they used in Star Trek to put the whales in ?
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Darth_villar
Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe it can be used like plastic injection molding too.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

CALLING ROB tell EBR you want valves made of Liquidmetal alloy!
From the looks of it the valve seats will need a hydraulic buffer to reducer valve bounce!
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Apple has the exclusive rights to use this technology in consumer electronics.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/924370 3/Apple-plans-breakthrough-product-made-from-Liqui dmetal.html
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Darth_villar
Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How can you have rights to amorphous metals? That is like having rights to plastic or steel...
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Gregtonn
Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 01:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Can't find a listing of elastic modulus..."


Blake,

Elasticity and Young's modulus are both listed here:

http://www.liquidmetal.com/userfiles/file/Prop-Com parison9803.pdf


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Slaughter
Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The thing that bugs me a little is looking at the Liquidmetal website - their board is made up of no engineers. They're still trolling for investors.

Technology must start SOMEWHERE but I don't see any links any longer to original work done at CalTech a decade ago.

http://www.liquidmetal.com/about/board/

I know I'm HIGHLY prejudiced but I'd feel more comfortable with at least ONE materials geek somewhat loosely connected to the company.
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Slaughter
Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Also - Elastic modulus is a tough call on a hyper-ductile, non-crystalline material when you are looking at stress/strain curve with NO straight line usable for initial modulus.

IF they pick an "initial" modulus, of course, it'll be HIGH.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 06:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Psssst, I've got a contact for dilithium crystals, you in?
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Reepicheep
Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 08:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's flubber!
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, May 27, 2012 - 11:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Steve,

The modulus isn't linear prior to yield?

I'm still wondering about the impressive demonstration with the bouncing ball bearing.

Thanks for the link Greg. The modulus is surprisingly low, right between aluminum and titanium alloys.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 10:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd like to see stress/strain CURVE, not just a number. The actual curve can be very instructive.

Modulus of ductile materials can be somewhat subjective.

It is "described" as a relatively low strain-to-failure material (not ductile as I had originally mis-read).

More detailed discussion:

http://www.appropedia.org/Amorphous_Metal_Alloys

Kinda cool article on the origins of the stuff:

http://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2004/ch_7.html
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Just_ziptab
Posted on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought eyephones were "throw away"gadgets.....with all the outdatedness of the silly things. Why make it out of super metal?.............
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Why make it out of super metal?.............




Same reason people put carbon fiber buckle guards on their tanks.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are those buckle guards really made of carbon fiber?

That bouncing bearing made my brain hurt.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Monday, May 28, 2012 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why are they comparing it to stainless steel?
They should be comparing it to spring steel.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, June 04, 2012 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That bouncing ball is just ONE property that is interesting but is just ONE of many.

Coefficient of restitution (as illustrated in the bouncing ball) is wildly different than modulus (useful in spring design)

The accountants (not engineers) who own the company are carefully chosing the comparisons they are making.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2012 - 11:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cool.
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