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     Cityxslicker |
Act two of the Atlas Shrugged is on the plate for release soon.... And with today's IPO of Facebook, and the resignation of American Citizenship by Eduardo Saverin as he lives in Singapore... well it seems timely and all to foreshadowing. Oppress and Tax enough - those that can, do, and create - will leave. Enjoy the new malaise - I suspect B.O gets reelected; you can bet this is the first shot across the bow of a coming and growing trend. | ||
| Alchemy |
Do you "resign" citizenship or renounce it? If he wants to renounce his citizenship for a life in Singapore then I wish him well. Someday he will inspire his grandkids with the story of how at the height of his success he chose to renounce his citizenship in the USA. What a proud day for those grandkids. | ||
| 86129squids |
I've been wondering about his rationale... Of course the numbers don't fit in my tiny noggin, but even if he has a tax burden of 77 mil, how much does he get to keep?! To me, I'd put it front and center that I'm proud to be a US citizen, and it's WORTH the price. For pete's sake, he gets all the $$$ from Facebook, so he NEEDS to find SOMETHING to be proud of... FWIW, I joined FB to use it as a tool with a former job, to see who wanted to swap shifts from time to time- now I've really no use for it, and I'm getting sick of being "notified" about "statuses", "like" this and "like" that, yadda yadda. Not to mention the epidemic of idiots who can't put their "smart" phones down to sample REALITY once a blue moon...  Sorry, rant off. | ||
| Reindog |
This most unpresidential President and his minions demonize success. We are unceasingly bombarded with how evil the rich are even as this bastard fleeces them to provide campaign contributions. The unintended consequence is that capital is silently fleeing the United States as it is no longer welcome here. One can wail that this is somehow unfair but it will happen. Money always follows the path where it is welcome. If "fairness" is the mot du jour, can the "Anti Dog Eat Dog Act" be far behind? I am starting to think about moving to Panama as Obama and the fools who love him, are quickly turning the United States into Greece and I will simply not support this descent into Socialism. It is not too late...yet...but the Weimar Republic is coming to an end if we continue to abandon the US Constitution. Who is John Galt? | ||
| Strato9r |
...copy that, Reindog. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I struggled with the resignation / renouncing.... been looking too much at the constitutional changes that happened after the Civil War ; I am thinking resigned is closer to the more appropriate term. And if indeed The United States is a corporation, and not a Government, .... I have no more loyalty to them than I do to Wal-mart. | ||
| Sifo |
you can bet this is the first shot across the bow of a coming and growing trend. Can't disagree more strongly. Over the past year or so there have been several notable examples of very wealth, very successful folks fleeing the US. Saverin is just another example, certainly not the first. Won't be that last though. Squids, I don't want to sound demeaning, but perhaps if you had become wealthy enough in your lifetime, you would understand that stealing is stealing. It doesn't matter that it's being done "legally" by the government as taxation. At some point it is recognized for exactly what it is. That is not something to be proud of. I've asked this before... What percentage of the population contributing to the wealth of our nation is fair? Right now the vast bulk of that is paid by a very few people such as Saverin. Half of us contribute nothing or less! Honestly there are times that I consider where I might go. I really want the answer to be back to MI where we have family and property. It's still way ahead of where we are at right now. If we spoke a foreign language well, we might consider doing a "Saverin". We have talked of Austrailia though. There language shouldn't be too hard for us to learn. The simple fact is that the US has dug itself into a very deep hole, and like Greece, many people seem to think the solution is to dig faster. | ||
| Sifo |
This isn't a good trend...  http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/16/more- americans-are-renouncing-citizenship/ | ||
| Kenm123t |
Those that are leaving are not leaving thier country but are really fleeing a thief. In the end what matters is the theft not a thiefs weapon of choice. Some use a gun some use the governments guns. When you make your fortune do you really want to see it taken? To be given to those WHO DESERVE IT as determined by the mob and there pet politicians. I wish him well and hope we can make this country a place achievers want to be. | ||
| Spiderman |
Those are some pretty big words for someone who was talking about leaving the country last year. Why the change of heart, figured you would be right on board with this... | ||
| Court |
>>>We are unceasingly bombarded with how evil the rich are even as this bastard fleeces them to provide campaign contributions. Correction: He ceases about once or twice a week to attend $35,000 a person dinner at their houses. The hood rat in the mansion dinners. Wife just read THE AMATEUR. Interesting. We scraped the bottom of a barrel of shit and look what we ended up with . . a piece of crap. Go figure? | ||
| Geedee |
Do you "resign" citizenship or renounce it? If he wants to renounce his citizenship for a life in Singapore then I wish him well. CITIZEN noun INHABITANT, denizen, dweller, resident, subject, townsman SUBJECTnoun 1TOPIC, affair, business, issue, matter, object, point, question, substance, theme 2 CITIZEN, national, subordinate 3 SUBORDINATE, dependent, inferior, obedient blah blah blah Source: Collins English Thesaurus Transferring citizenship is only the transfer of 'stock' between corporations. Just business. Cattle trading. As an aside, entice one 'illegal alien' to accept one piece of Government documentation, and a new source of collateral is established. Think Mexican border and Driver Licenses. Business, just business. The loyalty to our geographical land masses is not for consideration. And if you are interested at all, lookup denizen. | ||
| Kc10_fe |
Well having spent a few months there I can tell you that Singapore is pretty fricken awesome. Its not an economy that is friendly to a retired US working man. Equador or Costa Rica however is  (Message edited by kc10_fe on May 19, 2012) | ||
| Buellinmke |
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| Cityxslicker |
yeah, I know its RT, but they at least make no bones about who pays their bills; unlike the shills we have here http://rt.com/usa/news/us-citizenship-tax-denounce -521/ and unfortunately, you do not just walk into a slavic country like you do here. You overstay your visa, you are indeed put in prison, and there aint any Nintendo, government checks, or civil rights to protect you. Hell try hiking on the Iraqi / Iranian border sometime. | ||
| Moxnix |
Dual citizen ship can be had in 90 days, if one is willing to pay for it. Some sources will allow a name change. End of our republic, live and direct from Washington. Incentives, disincentives, the unbearable weight of those who love their ideas more than they're willing to honor our freedoms. | ||
| Sifo |
Dual citizen ship can be had in 90 days, if one is willing to pay for it. Not exactly.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1 753.html What is being discussed in this thread would fall into the category of losing your US citizenship. | ||
| Moxnix |
Would you like a link to a company providing such services? For using another name, it's a bit different route. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
always could use a series of them ;') Bourne, Kane, etc. From the Read today On the setting of getting a 'special exemption' to produce more than the state rated quotent of production of his own Product from his own Factory' Having to a discussion with a 'governement appointed watchdog' to his activities. "I could go to Washington and get you a special Exemption - for of coruse there would be a few expenses of course. You know how it is, things always of this occasion have expenses" What things ? (Rearden) You understand what I Mean (chump) No, said Rearden, why don't you explain it to me. It' bad phsychology (chump) What is ? (Rearden) "You know Mr. Rearden, it's not necessary to use such words as that" (chump) As What ? (Rearden) Words are relative, They're only symbols. If we don't use any ugly symbols, we wont' have any ugliness. Why do you want me to say things one way, when I 've already said them another?' (Ayn Rand - Atlas Shrugged) * the asides in parathesis are mine. So the stench of PC comes early, 1957 by accounts. Its a good read - pick it up if you have the time. A bribe by any other name ... is still a bilking of pockets | ||
| Geedee |
Words are relative, They're only symbols. If we don't use any ugly symbols, we wont' have any ugliness. Why do you want me to say things one way, when I 've already said them another?' This one is for you City. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb8Rj5xkDPk | ||
| Cityxslicker |
reminds me of a Soviet Dissident on their 'new' freedom from Russian Czarist serfdom... poslivitsa (cultural folklore idiomatic expression ) They had become so accustomed and blind to the yoke of slavery, that they put it on willingly, and wore it as jewelry. | ||
| Blake |
>>> and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship. Sifo, It seems that clause may be informative. If I go to another nation and there apply for dual citizenship, it ought to be clear that I'm not intending to give up my U. S. citizenship. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Schumers tax on Expats is why they are leaving they are tired of being robbed to feed the mob. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
White mans greed runs a world in need. or White/Hispanic mans greed runs a world in need. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Johnny the Mobs greed is what its about keeping what you make isnt greedy | ||
| Oldog |
Half of us contribute nothing or less! ( those that are on the teat ) I hope that I am able to work until I pass even if it means giving up 25% of my meager and dwindling means all I want from them is some thing that Washington has failed to provide for years, ACCOUNTABILITY course I want the current campaigner and thief out, after this POS Slick willy is a saint.... } | ||
| Cityxslicker |
And the truth shall set you free.... because nobody will ever pay you to hear the truth. (Especially if it is not aligned with their agenda, preconceived notions, and or rhetoric) Facts,history and performance be damned ! Let us all continue to bleeeebah like sheep. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=31185 Because you sometimes have to just laugh at someone who believe that North Korean's are well paid......... | ||
| Cityxslicker |
More from Ayn Rand, There were two types of people that came to the Party, both looked onto each other as they were known, classified under two camps; were they to be named - "Favor" and "Fear". ... By the unwritten code of the day, nobody received or accepted an invitation from a man of public prominence except in token of one or the other of these two motives. Those in the first group were, for the most part, youthful; they had come from Washington. Those in the second group were older; they were businessmen. Crony Capitalism, and PC smear of enemies ; laid as a map to getting things 'done'.... or not 'done'... | ||
| Cityxslicker |
'We believe it is better when you spread it around '.... Big Pharma - your head is next on the table after Big Oil Your Patents and Intellectual Property are killing MILLIONS ! Shame on you. http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/a-brea kthrough-opportunity-for-global-health | ||
| Glitch |
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law -enforcement-bulletin/september-2011/sovereign-cit izens | ||
| Cityxslicker |
well isnt that enlightening.... Habla Espagnol ? yes, they are more concerned about Americans tired of the BS than northernly borderly challenged transgressors of undetermined origin and duration. Mi amo Pablo - can I haz Fast and Furious gun now ? |
