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Boogiman1981
Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

this is a pretty spiffy tool that a couple of mathematicians came up with. found the link in the nytimes article.

http://bwsimulator.niddk.nih.gov/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/science/a-mathem atical-challenge-to-obesity.html?_r=1
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 05:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

anybody that has been to a gym or done athletics knows your body will reset depending on the food intake and energy output .... now take the next leap - not all calories are created the same.
Its not just total calories put in, it is the type that you put in.

and you can totally transform your body in a season - military boot camps are typically 8 to 9 weeks. Day 1 vs Day 70? you will be hard pressed to recognize the same individual -
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 06:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

absolutely correct.

one of the things i like about this is that it shows the time line for improvement based on your information.

i'm very schedule driven and of course like most guys visually oriented and it makes it nice to be able to look at a graph of effort over time and see where i should be if i follow the plan i make.

one of the other things i noticed is there is also a sodium field as well. like you said not all calories are created equal. i've found that the more salt in a given edible substance the lower the quality of the fuel.

the usual height/weight bmi charts are only a small piece of the pie this one allows you to figure out just what you need to do to get where you want to go vs looking at the bmi chart that says hey your fat.... and then gives you the same generic advice as everywhere else of eat better move more yadda yadda.

one question that i did have after playing with the simulations was how do they define moderate intense etc.
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Britchri10
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 07:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Boogie: I think moderate, intense etc' are defined by heart rate, at rest, at a % of total & at recovery & VOX? (respirations per minute)
I cannot remember the formulae for these as they are pretty much age, weight & current fitness level specific.
Speak to someone at a gym. They normally have a pretty good idea re: this.
Chris C
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 08:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i figured something along those lines but would be nice to know what they used specifically to est calorie burn per time spent
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

moderate intense when I was in cross country was a pace that you could run and carry a conversation at
the coach called them LSD
Long Steady Distances
but you have to mix in sprints and explosive work outs as well as weight training.... and EAT like a horse !

I miss the metabolism of those days.
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Jumpinjewels
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've studied with several doctors that work with their patients on what to eat. They are proponents of a whole food plant based diet. Their patients have not only lost weight but have been able to get off meds for diabetes, hypertension etc. Check them out:

Dr. John McDougall
Dr. Neal Barnard
Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn
Dr. T. Colin Campbell
Dr. Joel Furhman

In their research, a person can eat all they want of the correct foods and not worry about counting calories or following some strict program. This is a lifestyle change in eating. The only problem I've found is that most people would rather eat what they want and just takes the meds that their doc's are prescribing.

So much of what we American's eat is so processed that it's causing much of the chronic health conditions we suffer.

Sorry for the rant but I have become passionate about our SAD diet (standard American diet)
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

indeed we are moving to a more wholesome eating style as a part of our lifestyle change. less and less processed foods more and more whole foods and veggies fruits etc
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Court
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2012 - 08:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Omnivore's Dilema
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Jumpinjewels
Posted on Friday, May 18, 2012 - 12:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've got that book. Check out "the china study", "prevent & reverse heart disease", "dr neal barnards program for reversing diabetes". These are some really good books.
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Court
Posted on Friday, May 18, 2012 - 06:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The thing that amazed me was corn . . . there is corn in everything . . . not for any particular reason, mostly due to government subsidies.
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Vtpeg
Posted on Friday, May 18, 2012 - 07:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This confirms a problem I had this winter- not eating enough. Blue collar work combined with running 20 miles a week, my calorie intake was way too low, started eating more, losing weight, odd deal. The simulator shows I should be at 4000 calories to maintain weight.
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Whitetrashxb
Posted on Friday, May 18, 2012 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Heard a radio host touting a book "The Wheat Belly".. about the problems with today's "wheat" (frankenwheat he called it), the amount of gluten in the average diet, how the body processes it as sugar, and the range of effects it has. Sounded pretty interesting. I try to keep my grocery list limited to Super Foods. It makes it a lil easier : )
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Jumpinjewels
Posted on Friday, May 18, 2012 - 08:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just got Dr. McDougall's new book called "The Starch Solution". I look forward to reading it.

Also, were you aware that they feed corn not only to cows but to fish. Theres a documentary called "king corn" that I've heard is quite enlightening. My son told me about it but haven't had a chance to see it yet.

(Message edited by Jumpinjewels on May 18, 2012)
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