| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
>>> how many people have heard the call from Zimmerman to 911? If you would just listen to the tapes of his phone call, which the jury will when the case goes to court, then I think everybody will understand why it was a murder. I did. I don't see your point, at all. What in the conversation do you conjure amounts to proving guilt of murder? Some folks here seem more influenced by emotion and imagination more so than cold hard facts. Lots of blatantly false and deceitful reporting on the case. | ||
| Blake |
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/9-1-1_ tapes_released_trayvon_martin031712 | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
I was unfamiliar about this until last night when I friend commented that she was tired of seeing Trayvon Martin stuff on Facebook, all the people taking pictures of themselves wearing hoodies and whatnot. I just read this thread. Someone posted the picture of the two men - What makes Trayvon look so terrible in the up to date picture? He looks the same minus a tanktop. Its not like the more recent picture shows tattoos on his face or him holding a weapon or doing something illegal. I dont understand the problem with the picture. I do hate that Obama has gotten involved and do agree with others that the case is now a bit tainted. I feel bad for all parties involved - The Martin friends and family for their loss, and the Zimmerman family for the stress surely placed upon them due to the exposure the case is now getting. And I agree with one fo the first posts - it is odd that the case is weeks old and only now blowing up. I have also heard that minorities cant be racist and I think that it is bogus as hell | ||
| Sifo |
Listening to the 911 tape makes it even more clear that Zimmerman's story is accurate. In the tape you can hear when he say's "he's running" and he begins to follow Martin. The cop tells him "we don't need you to do that. Zimmerman's breathing returns to normal as he stops chasing Martin and the discussion makes it clear that he was returning to his truck to meet the police, just as his story goes. This call ends before the final confrontation, but clearly Zimmerman had stopped the pursuit. So why does Zimmerman's story seem to match with all the physical evidence we know of as well as other witness statements? My real question is how can anyone be claiming that it wasn't self defense at this point? | ||
| Whatever |
Apparently the truth is coming out... warning... really annoying political banner at top... http://politicsanonymous.com/2012/03/28/sanford-po lice-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman-appears-c ompletely-uninjured-2/ | ||
| Whatever |
... and yes, as a survivor of violent assault where the perpetrators got off scott free and were allowed to use the legal system to stalk and harass me... I have no faith in the justice system at all whatsoever. None. At least not in Wisconsin anyway. Right or wrong, I think this guy will walk. (Message edited by Whatever on March 29, 2012) | ||
| Whatever |
Maybe he and Casey Anthony can hang out together. Last I heard she was in Florida. | ||
| Sifo |
I think I'll put more faith in the actual police report than an out of focus video. http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%2 0Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf The police report details that Zimmerman's back was wet as if he was on the ground on his back and was covered in grass. It also details that he was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head. Yes the facts are coming out. Some just refuse to accept them. I'm just surprised how this comes down on politically ideological lines. That part still puzzles me greatly. | ||
| Guell |
I have no faith in the justice system at all whatsoever. None. At least not in Wisconsin anyway. Why even post that, this thread has nothing to do with Wisconsin... | ||
| Drkside79 |
Blake, I'm using common sense mixed with what i learned in college on crime scene analysis. Example if i was on top of you banging your head off the ground how could you pull a gun and shoot it without being in extremely close proximity? Now the bullet leaves your gun travels maybe six inches and enters me. At that range typically gas projecting the bullet enters my body. it experiences resistance as the wound reflexes shut behind the bullet and escapes towords the path of least resistance which is back the way it came causing blowback. This is especially true if the gun was touching me. However this is theory. or as you call it making things up. | ||
| Sifo |
... and yes, as a survivor of violent assault where the perpetrators got off scott free and were allowed to use the legal system to stalk and harass me... Those could well be Zimmerman's words. Well not the getting off scott free part, but the part where survivors are using the system to stalk and harass. | ||
| Sifo |
I understand that the video of Zimmerman with the police was after he had been cleaned up by paramedics. To believe that he had no wounds requires believe in a wide spread conspiracy involving numerous cops and the paramedics. | ||
| Whatever |
Really objective to assume we know what happened btw the end of the call and the shooting. Also, I was replying to a question posted earlier w MY experience FWIW. Whatever... | ||
| Sifo |
Really objective to assume we know what happened btw the end of the call and the shooting. We do have audio, a victim statement and a number of witness statements that all seem to correlate very well. All of this points to it happening the way Zimmerman described. Given all of that I just don't see anything that points to anything else. LET'S GO LYNCHING! | ||
| Oldog |
Interesting recording. My 0.02$ Martin was lost, and then went looking for trouble with Zimmerman, There was no interaction between the two until the attack. I would have a hard time convicting Zimmerman on manslaughter, It looks very much like self defense ... The grainy survailence vid does not take into account that Zimmerman likely was allowed to clean up a bit. the media gets it wrong again... I found it telling that some media outlets (NBC) used inflammatory language, "he gunned the teen down " and the like in their articles, Its a shame that there is such bias in the media it also Points out that some times the folks yelling hate crime and calling other "Racist" loudest are the racists and hate mongers ..... (Message edited by oldog on March 29, 2012) | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Even if he was cleaned up. If he had a broken nose and was bleeding from the back of his head he should have had bandages, unless that was actually just a bloody nose and some scrapes. Just saying. Zimmerman should have stayed on the line with 911 so that if he were attacked 911 would have known and alerted the enroute officer. He could have still drawn and held a weapon with his other hand. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I want to hear the trayvon/girlfriend conversation. (Message edited by xdigitalx on March 29, 2012) | ||
| Sifo |
Even if he was cleaned up. If he had a broken nose and was bleeding from the back of his head he should have had bandages, unless that was actually just a bloody nose and some scrapes. Just saying. Perhaps. Keep in mind that at this time he was a murder suspect and taken away in cuffs. I'm not sure you are likely to get premium medical care when the cops are waiting to slap the cuffs on you. We see him in cuffs in the video posted by Char BTW. Zimmerman should have stayed on the line with 911 so that if he were attacked 911 would have known and alerted the enroute officer. He could have still drawn and held a weapon with his other hand. You are just wrong about that. The police ended the call. I had that happen to me DURING an attempted break in to a motel room. | ||
| Sifo |
I want to hear the trayvon/girlfriend conversation. That one would likely shed some light. I would be amazed if it was recorded. | ||
| Oldog |
NP Zimmerman had lost site of Martin and was walking back to his truck, Martin came up from behind him, hitting him first, no chance to draw or warn him ... | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Old, I heard that Zimmerman's story was that Martin asked him if he had a problem to which he said no, Martin then "said something like 'Well you do now'" and then punched Zimmerman knocking him to the ground. Like every part of this case there seems to be more than one story even coming from the same side. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/new s/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-account-20120326_1_m iami-schools-punch-unarmed-black-teenager "Zimmerman has not spoken publicly about what happened Feb. 26. But that night, and in later meetings, he described and re-enacted for police what he says took place. In his version of events, Zimmerman had turned around and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from behind, the two exchanged words and then Trayvon punched him in the nose, sending him to the ground, and began beating him." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2862657/p osts "Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon." http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/19/2703029/us-d epartment-of-justice-fbi-and.html "Zimmerman said he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he was on when Trayvon attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck, police said." Both stories have Martin attacking Zimmerman first but why are they different? | ||
| Tankhead |
**********EDIT*************** Martin on the phone with girlfriend not 911> I looked it up also. Must have heard it wrong. SORRY************Martin's lawyer said that there are tapes of Martin on the phone (911?) telling of a man chasing him and the advice was to run, he ran (which Zimmerman's 911 call documents) and then Martin tries to lose Zimmerman. As they meet up again, Martin says (on the tape) why are you chasing me! Zimmerman says, what are you doing around here?! Scuffle, phone goes dead 7:12 pm. At 7:17 as the police roll up they find the boy dead. Just heard on NPR interview. (Message edited by tankhead on March 30, 2012) | ||
| Reepicheep |
I would strongly caution people from looking at a brief and low quality resolution video and reaching conclusions about how badly someone was injured as a result. After my "assault by Corolla" I was walking around pretty well while waiting for transport. Adrenaline is a wonderful thing. I was most certainly NOT OK, and a video showing me 5 hours later would have seen me desperate and terrified of the pain I knew I was going to have trying to get from the couch to the bathroom. Or just look at an ugly UFC MMA fight. I don't watch them often, mainly just when drinking the neighbors beer and working on bikes in his garage. But more than once I've been repulsed at how badly somebody was beat up and how badly they were hurt before the fight was called, and then amazed at how cleaned up they looked less than 5 minutes later when the ref declared a winner. I'm sure they weren't OK either. You can't wait to defend yourself until you are so badly hurt you can't defend yourself. So saying the guy wasn't hurt badly enough is an idiotic way to judge the merits of this case. The only facts I can observe objectively about this case so far are: 1) There are not enough facts available to reach a conclusion about who is guilty. 2) There are a lot of people trying to take something that seems on it's face unrelated to race, and make it into a race based firestorm of controversy, which seems evil to me. | ||
| Xb1125r |
the kid was thug, does it really matter one less cockroach | ||
| Sifo |
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/new s/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-account-20120326_1_m iami-schools-punch-unarmed-black-teenager "Zimmerman has not spoken publicly about what happened Feb. 26. But that night, and in later meetings, he described and re-enacted for police what he says took place. In his version of events, Zimmerman had turned around and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from behind, the two exchanged words and then Trayvon punched him in the nose, sending him to the ground, and began beating him." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2862657/p osts "Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon." http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/19/2703029/us-d epartment-of-justice-fbi-and.html "Zimmerman said he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he was on when Trayvon attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck, police said." Both stories have Martin attacking Zimmerman first but why are they different? How often does a "journalist" skew reality to lean the story in a direction they like? I notice they don't attribute that last version to any particular source beyond Zimmerman said. I wonder who he said this to? | ||
| Vecchio_lupo |
This will be one of those cases everybody remembers. I did notice from the very beginning, the media never referred to Trayvon as "Student Athlete" or "Honor Student" or cited any Church or Volunteer work as a qualifier that he was a stand up citizen. This led me to suspect there was a lengthy criminal record of violence and larceny that because he was a juvenile would not be available to the public. Lastly, the New York Times referred to Zimmerman as a "White Hispanic" just to keep the race card in play. Is Gloria Estefan, or Justice Sotomajor a White Hispanic also? Was Mr. Zimmerman not brown enough to be just Hispanic? This case and the facts contained within are far from over.... | ||
| Sifo |
What would that make our president? White Negro?  | ||
| Drkside79 |
I still say if you are on the ground getting your head beat and you shoot to save your life the guys blood will be on you. Even if its a perforating gun wound the assailant is on top of you. blood will come down thanks to gravity. also if it hit his lung he would have it coming out his mouth almost instantaneously. keep in mind for Zimmerman to be doing what he said he would be under Treyvon. So despite Blakes comment I still want to know wheres the damn blood. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Tankhead, You personally heard this lawyer say that Martin called 911? I tried to find any evidence of that online but only foound that a couple of sources had posted but quickly retracted statements that Martin had called 911. That would also contradict the statement by Martins girlfriend who said she was talking to Treyvon when he was confronted by Zimmerman. Lastly, if there was any evidence that Treyvon called 911 and there was audio of the attack in the manner that you state it would be HUGE news and likely enough evidence to warrant an arrest. I doubt that there is a 911 call from Martin. Any recording of the start of the confrontation would be a major break in the case, but I think something like that would have been out by now. (Message edited by notpurples2 on March 29, 2012) |
