| Author | Message | ||
     Buellkowski |
I was responding to Jerry's assertion, I have the utmost DISRESPECT for a President who would order federal troops to disarm law-abiding citizens of their lawfully-owned firearms during a time of "national crisis." That does not appear to be the case in the video link he posted. | ||
| Dfishman |
I vote for Jerry 2012! The whole deal is THE CONSTITUTION!It is the LAW! | ||
| Aesquire |
I see no need to take an additional oath. I already have taken an oath to uphold the Constitution. No part of that oath requires me to obey un-lawful orders. I guess I'm lucky that I was not in New Orleans during the illegal confiscation of weapons and the assaults upon peaceful citizens by a corrupt and fetid police force. Nothing like a couple of cops wrestling/beating an elderly woman to trigger unfortunate reactions. Yup, I was lucky. Hope I stay that lucky. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Oh, and I'm glad you made $50 off of me. Treat yourself to something nice. I am: More time at the range.  I was responding to Jerry's assertion, I have the utmost DISRESPECT for a President who would order federal troops to disarm law-abiding citizens of their lawfully-owned firearms during a time of "national crisis." That does not appear to be the case in the video link he posted. Which begs the question: Upon whose authority were these authorities acting upon? | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Of course they wouldn't approve of President Obama. In Washington and Jefferson's day, President Obama would have only been 3/5th's of a man and would have been bought and sold at auction. Buellinmke, I needed some time to think over your post. I, too, am dismayed that you had to bring race into this. For the record: I would vote for Herman Cain for President. I would vote for Allen West for President. Further, if somehow George Bush could run for President again, I would NOT vote for him. This is not about race. Times change, people evolve - Washington and Jefferson weren't perfect. With all due respect, is that the best you've got? The Constitution is as valid today as it was two-plus centuries ago. No one is perfect, but the Founding Fathers did everything in their power to create a perfect union, with a perfect set of rules, and fervently hoped that these rules would insure our freedoms and survival for the long-term. Also - I am a decorated combat veteran that has shed blood for this wonderful nation and these so-called "oath keepers" do nothing but insult the armed services. Thank you for your service; I mean that sincerely. I respect your opinion but I don't agree with it, and it seems there are many, many veterans out there who feel as I do. Question for you: If you were still active duty and were ordered to a "national crisis" - say, a hurricane in New Orleans, for example - to go door-to-door disarming law-abiding citizens of their legally-owned firearms, would you obey that order? If so, what if I refused to comply? Would you shoot me dead? Alex Jones, Stewart Rhodes, etc. - they're all a bunch of whack-job conspiracy theorists dealing in fear. They don't think they are "whack-job conspiracy theorists," nor do I. You do yourself a disservice by not being able to discredit them with anything better than calling them names. Do you really believe that the federal government is going to try to take your guns? Yes. So I'm really curious: Would you shoot me dead? | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
I vote for Jerry 2012! Thanks, but I am not worthy. | ||
| Reindog |
Buellinmke, I mean this sincerely that I would hope you can share with us about how you earned your medals (in a different non-political thread). I respect what you have accomplished and I bet many others from the field, do too. -Tom Reiner. | ||
| Reindog |
I have friends who bleat that the Second Amendment is solely about militas where the individual has NO right to own a gun. This is the path that despots will attempt to take and the Useful Idiots will embrace the lofty language. 2+2=5 if you truly believe it and East Asia has always been at war with Oceania. | ||
| Sifo |
It would be nice if your bleating friends understood that militias are formed from armed citizens.
The intent and language are quite simple for those willing to read and understand it. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Shall NOT be infringed. Carefully crafted, crystal clear. Words to live by.  | ||
| Buellinmke |
As a black man in the USA, it is always about race - especially when slavers such as Washington and Jefferson are being glorified. I don't even know my family history because of Washington, Jefferson and their contemporaries. The farthest back I can trace is my maternal grandparents - the first generation of free-born people in my family. Where were my great-grandparents from? I don't know. There aren't any records. Do you know who your great-grandparents are? Do you know if they were beaten and forced to work for no pay? Do you know if they had their babies taken from them and sold like cattle?
Watch Alex Jones movie 911: The Road To Tyranny Link He thinks the government is complicit in both the Oklahoma City bombing and the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001. Conspiracy theorist seems like the proper terminology to describe someone with those beliefs. | ||
| Sifo |
What exactly is the connection between Alex Jones and Oath Keepers? | ||
| Sifo |
BTW, thanks to a man named Hitler I know nothing of my great-grandparents. I would really like to see that the world sees less of this sort of thing from any reasons. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Joe, I just looked at your profile. Until your post just now I didn't know you are a black man. It doesn't change my opinion of you one way or another, but it perhaps will help me to better understand your position. My current negative opinion of our federal government has nothing to do with our President's race. I'm on record as stating that I would for vote Herman Cain and/or Allen West, both of whom are black men. I am also on record as stating that I would not vote for George Bush, if he were somehow able to run again, nor would I vote for Bill Clinton. My opinion of some/many/most of the so-called leaders in government today is not about race, it's about lack of honesty and character, about not playing by the rules, i.e. the Constitution. I hate to turn this thread into racial debate. For what it's worth, I don't support slavery, and I can't pretend to imagine how I'd feel if I were a black man knowing that my ancestors were slaves. I'd say I feel your pain, but I don't. I can't. All I can say is I'm sorry. I don't trust my government, pure and simple. They wag the dog, not the other way around. I didn't trust or respect Clinton, I didn't trust or respect Bush, and I don't trust or respect Obama. George Washington? All the respect in the world. I'd trust him with my life. Same goes for Thomas Jefferson. They fought for my freedom, just as Abraham Lincoln fought for yours. Best, Ferris | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Buellinmke, with your history of protest concerning patriot act during GW and your blind eye to the continuation of it and gitmo detention center as well as no interest or criticisms concerning fast and furious I'd say your opinion of this matter holds little meaning. BTW, for future thought- if you are so concerned about family history in the black community you might consider forming better alliances with people like Jesse lee Peterson and Alan West instead of those like the Clinton, Edwards, Kennedy's, sharpton and Jackson etc. Those politicians want blacks unarmed and needing their assistance and promote victim mentality rather than strong 2 parent families. | ||
| Blake |
Joe, >>> As a black man in the USA, it is always about race Racist bigots suck. Don't let them define who you are, and don't let them make you into one. | ||
| Buellinmke |
Of course not - that would be illegal. The only time it would have been legal for me to shoot you would have been between 2006 and 2008 when George W. Bush changed the Posse Comitatus Act so that he would be able to legally order the murder of United States citizens whilst taking their guns. Johnnymceldoo - Allen West is just in politics for the money (his bank account has expanded quite nicely since he was a high school teacher after retirement) and Jesse Lee Peterson is trying to get into it for the money. Also - where did I ever state that I had some sort of alliance with Clinton, Edwards, the Kennedy's, Sharpton, Jackson, etc.? I haven't turned a blind eye to the Patriot Act, Gitmo, TSA, Homeland Security, warrantless wiretapping or any of the other federal intrusions that have been happening exponentially since 2001. I just came to the realization that there is really nothing I can do about it - especially when the majority of citizens aren't against it from the beginning. Blake - please explain how my race makes me a racist bigot? Because I don't glorify slave owners that bought and sold my ancestors? That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Jerry said: So I'm really curious: Would you shoot me dead? Of course not - that would be illegal. Joe, that puts you in an interesting situation, then, one that is relevant to this thread. I asked you, as a decorated combat veteran, three questions: 1) If you were still active duty and were ordered to a "national crisis" - say, a hurricane in New Orleans, for example - to go door-to-door disarming law-abiding citizens of their legally-owned firearms, would you obey that order? I take it from your response that you WOULD obey that order? 2) If so, what if I refused to comply? You didn't answer that question, either. 3) Would you shoot me dead? Your reply: "Of course not - that would be illegal." Which then begs the question: What would you do? I assume from your reply that you WOULD obey the order to go door-to-door and disarm law-abiding citizens of their legally-owned firearms. What would you do if I failed to comply? To any other military folks and peace-keepers reading this, do you have the courage to answer these questions? | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
PS to Joe/Buellinmke: You said earlier: "Alex Jones, Stewart Rhodes, etc. - they're all a bunch of whack-job conspiracy theorists dealing in fear." Do you feel the same way about the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (http://www.cspoa.org/)? Our mission: To educate and equip sheriffs, peace officers and public officials with the necessary information and public support to carry out their duties in accordance with their Oath of Office. What would you do if you knew you had just one chance to save your family and country from complete and utter destruction? What would you do if you knew there was a lawful and peaceful way to restore the Constitution and its Bill of Rights as the supreme law of the land? Did you know that the Sheriff is the highest constitutional executive authority in the county? Very few people realize that the Sheriff has the legitimate authority to prevent federal agents from entering the county - or the power to throw them out once they are there. We can quickly change things for the better in America as soon as we have Sheriffs that understand their oath of office, and the total extent of the power they have. Oath Keeper Sheriff Richard Mack (Ret): Thank you, Sheriff Mack. God Bless America. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
For those of you that think it can't or wont happen here, you are wrong. During WTO, nearly a decade ago; our unit was locked, cocked, unchocked, and ready to rock. We had live rounds, scouts on rooftops, armored up Humvees, and 6 APCs ready to roll. IF the governor had called and said the State Patrol could not handle the crowd - we were from observe and consult to engage and deter. It is the mission we performed in Bosnia, Kosovo, Hetzegovina - civilian riot control, suppression, target of 'opposition leaders' We roll weapons hot - and Run the detention / interment facilities when it is on. You have no idea the shiat that gets turned on with a ••••• of the switch. the new 'Health Corps Cadre' is armed, commissioned, national, and NOT respondent to the governor - and as of yet there is NOT Constitutional Line in their oath. When they start calling for 'Resilience' or 'Sustainable Cities'; it is on. DAMHIK PS, it was our unit that was in the woods for Randy Weaver too - but that was before my time. pardon the red... apparently F-L-I-C-K looks entirely too much like iF yoU See Kay | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
[Note: The following is copied and pasted from the PDF file at http://www.cspoa.org/docs/CSPOA%20convention%20pre ss%20release.pdf. Apologies in advance for any formatting errors made in the process. - FB] Constitutional Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association Convention: History in the Making The weather was sunny and crisp at 7a.m. Monday morning, January 30, 2012, as Sheriffs from across the U.S.A. were greeted at the Tuscany Casino/Hotel in Las Vegas, NV. These brave Sheriffs attended the first ever, Constitutional Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association (CSPOA.org) convention to discuss their Constitutional responsibilities and their sworn oaths to their State Constitution & the Constitution of the United States. Starting with registration & breakfast, Sheriff Richard Mack opened the meeting with a talk about violations in America caused by the federal government usurping their power beyond the 10th Amendment delegated powers. Michael Badnarik, 2004 Libertarian Presidential candidate and Constitutional scholar, spoke on the importance of understanding the Bill of Rights. He then went on to educate the sheriffs on the meaning and intention of each right. Afterwards, Sheriff Mack gave a presentation on the 10th Amendment, Nullification & State Sovereignty, ending with his successful Supreme Court decision in Mack/Printz v USA where they won an important victory against the Brady Bill during the Clinton administration. After the morning break, Larry Pratt, Director of Gun Owners of America, the only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington per Ron Paul, talked about the 2nd Amendment, it's origins, intentions and meaning & gave an update on the "Fast and Furious" debacle. Then came Tom DeWeese of The American Policy Center, who gave a great presentation on Agenda 21, explaining the Aglobal to local@ threats to property rights & freedoms in the U.S. The last speaker before lunch was Joe Banister, a former IRS Enforcement Agent. Joe told how he found the truth about the IRS's lies which lead to his resignation and later being sued by the IRS to shut him up. HE WON his case! Lunch break was followed by Sheriffs and Peace Officers sharing personal experiences of defending The Bill of Rights and honoring their Oaths of Office. Starting with Glenn Palmer, OR., who gave an emotional talk of his experiences in Grant County dealing with federal agents from several agencies, followed by Sheriff John Lopey, CA fighting the "feds" on water rights and other issues for farmers and others in his county, Sheriff Mark Gower, UT., Retired Sheriff Dave Mattis, UT. who was the 1st sheriff to tell the "feds" that it was required of them to check in with him any time they entered his county and that their "papers" had better be in order!, Police Chief Robert Douglas, FL., Sheriff Brad Rogers, IN. who recently sent the FDA home with their tail between their legs for harassing dairy farmers in his county, Sheriff Tony DeMeo, NV. and Sheriff Terrance Maketa & County Commissioner Peggy Littleton, CO. Work together to make El Paso county as constitutional as possible. They have put in place several resolutions protecting the people they serve from frivolous and unconstitutional laws, acts and mandates from the state and the feds. Following afternoon break, Sheriffs and Peace Officers Defending The Bill of Rights continued with Jim Fitzgerald, National Director of Field Activities for the John Birch Society, presented their Law Enforcement Liaison & education project and Neil Switkowski, CEO of Endless Fraud Detection, presented information concerning fraud in foreclosures. This was quite interesting; it seems that in several cases they have found the chain of title to belong to dead people and fictional characters. The meeting then turned to a private session for Sheriffs for Joint Declaration Discussion. Several Resolutions and Declarations are in the drafting stage and they hope to have them completed in the near future. Later that evening a Constitutional Sheriffs & Peace Officers photo shoot was followed by a banquet dinner and Awards Ceremony. Sheriff Glenn Palmer was presented The “Mattis Award”; CSPOA’s Heisman Trophy, for "America's Outstanding Sheriff." Guest speakers ended the evening with Stewart Rhodes, Founder of Oath Keepers [bold emphasis mine - FB] & Bob Botkin, WWII Vet and inspirational speaker. The "Jewel of the Evening" was presented by Sheriff Gil Gilbertson, Josephine County, Oregon, giving his speech from a previous Oregon Sheriffs Association Meeting in Bend, OR. Sheriff Gilbertson presented "Unraveling Federal Jurisdiction within a State." He is becoming quite the expert, it has been “trial by fire” for Sheriff Gilbertson and he is determined to win it for the people of his county. The state represented by the most Sheriffs was Utah with 13, CA & TX tied with 9, then CO with 8, WA & OR tied with 7 , FL with 6, NV & ID tied with 5, PA with 4, and VA with 3. The remaining states were represented with 1 or 2 Sheriffs, AL, AZ, DE, GA, IL, IN, KS, KY, LA, MA, MI, MS, MO, MA, NC, NB, NY, NH, NM, SD, and WV. Oregon Sheriffs in attendance were Sheriff Glenn Palmer, Grant County; Sheriff Gil Gilbertson, Josephine County; Sheriff Jim Atkins, Jefferson County; Sheriff Jack Crabtree, Yamhill County; Sheriff Robert Hudspeth, Wheeler County; Sheriff Boyd Rasmussen, Union County; and Sheriff Kenneth Matlack, Morrow County. We were blessed with the presence of 107 brave Sheriffs, 2 Deputy Sheriffs from Cowlitz County, Wa., one Chief of Police from Florida, & a County Commissioner from Colorado. Oddly missing from the attendees was our own Sheriff John Hanlin. Sheriff Hanlin was present at a Liberators11 Meeting in December along with Sheriff Gil Gilbertson. Hanlin promised to go if the funds were raised. Once he was notified that his way was paid, sheriff Hanlin declined to attend. It was his decision to seek advice from County Council regarding the event and other issues that Hanlin was advised against attending the convention. Although unfounded & improper as the advice was, Sheriff Hanlin chose to abide by it. This conduct, which could easily be construed as cowardly and insecure; indicates that Sheriff Hanlin is not willing to take his Oath of Office seriously. An elected official who hides behind the advice of a lawyer and does not understand their Authority and independence in relation to checks and balances set out by our founding fathers has no place in the office of Sheriff. What will happen when they come to take unlawfully take our children, or our property, or our guns? Will Sheriff Hanlin have to consult with county council then before protecting the people’s inalienable constitutionally guaranteed rights then? The Sheriff answers to one body and one body only, THE PEOPLE. Sheriff Donnie Smith of Main, who was also at the convention, recently won a court case on this issue and the court was clear; “Our respect for the separation of power requires us to broadly construe Smith’s authority because he is a constitutional officer. See Me. Const. art. IX, § 10. Discretionary function immunity “serves the important purpose of separation of power by preventing the judicial branch from entertaining tort actions as tools for manipulating important policy decisions that have been committed to coordinate branches of government.” Washington County Superior Court. The great success of the Las Vegas event was allowing sheriffs to talk among themselves, share experiences, concerns and solutions and above all give support! There are plans to have 2-3 more within this year, the next being in late May or early June. Details will be available as soon as they are finalized. Keep informed by going to www.cspoa.org. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Little known secrets to the monster of the machine Both Judges and Sheriffs are elected. A Sheriff is not required to have law enforcement experience (though they overwhelmingly do - how easy is it to Gerrymander an election ?) A Judge - is not Required to be a Lawyer - again - and elected position. There are compulsary requirements for Certification AFTER gaining the job .... But how easy would it be in a country that is led to the polls by the lure of money, stipends, bailouts and federal largess - would it be to stack the deck to put in a liberal leaning sheriff ?..... All you need is a catch slogan, brandished social media campaign, the help of a 'community organizer' maybe some Union money .... badda bing, badda boom. My paranoia goes to 11, and is bouncing off the rev limiter all too much recently | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
I can't help but be excited, encouraged and emboldened by the folks speaking out in the link provided below. It's one thing to hope our "leaders" in Washington, DC will play by the rules and obey the Constitution they swore an oath of allegiance to. It's another thing altogether to know that so many fine folks in authority here in America are reaffirming their oath, to the Constitution, to the people. There is hope for America. CountySheriffProject.org Channel County sheriffs, peace officers and oath takers, uniting to defend the peoples' liberties and enforce the Bill of Rights: http://www.youtube.com/user/CountySheriffProject?f eature=watch | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
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| Danger_dave |
I feel like I just scrolled through 2 minutes of Charlton Heston. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
You say that like it's a bad thing. | ||
| Danger_dave |
Cultural difference. My country outlawed firearms and I'm quite happy about it. But our Laws and politics are way different to yours too. | ||
| Danger_dave |
Over in New Zealand they don't even *have* a constitution. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
My country outlawed firearms and I'm quite happy about it. I'd be happy if we could simply outlaw outlaws (including the ones running our country)... | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
PS to DD: I remember you posted this video just after MK's album "Get Lucky" came out. I dug the song then, and even more so now; it kinda seems to fit my mood of late. Sorry about the ad at the beginning: I keep a weather eye on the horizon, my back to the wall I like to know who's coming through the door, that's all It's the old army training kicking in I'm not complaining, it's the world we live in Blarney and Malarkey, they're a devious firm They'll take you to the cleaners or let you burn The help is breaking dishes in the kitchen - thanks a lot We hired the worst dishwasher this place ever got Come in below the radar, they want to spoil our fun In the meantime I'm cleaning my gun Remember it got so cold ice froze up the tank We lit a fire beneath her just so she would crank I keep a weather eye on the horizon, tap the storm glass now and then I've got a case of Old Damnation for when you get here, my friend We can have ourselves a party before they come In the meantime I'm cleaning my gun We had women and a mirror ball, we had a DJ used to eat pretty much all that came his way Ever since the goons came in and took apart the place I keep a tire iron in the corner, just in case I gave you a magic bullet on a little chain to keep you safe from the chilly winds and out of the rain We're gonna might need bullets should we get stuck Any which way, we're going to need a little luck You can still get gas in Heaven, and a drink in Kingdom Come In the meantime I'm cleaning my gun (Message edited by jerry_haughton on February 23, 2012) |
