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     86129squids |
I'm voting pastel. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
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| Aesquire |
I'm a fence rider on this election I hope you mean the primaries. Not the real deal. I don't like any of these guys. But Dan Quail would be a better choice than the current guy, IM not so HO. The teabaggers hate Romney. Most Conservatives would really prefer someone more conservative. I don't know what "teabaggers" like. Orange Pekoe? Obama is more Christian that Romney. Really? the Church of Liberation Theology is more Christian than the Mormons? The Pope calls Obama's faith "Demonic". Not sure what he calls Romney's. Romney as the Republican nomination delivers 4 more years of Obama. Entirely possible. Mitt is the choice of the "press" who also chose McCain last time. To lose. It worked. Joe, tea baggers are most likely staunch Democrats. Most depraved types are. I have to argue with you on this one. Heard of the Log Cabin Republicans? While I am personally unfamiliar with the actual practice of "teabagging" learning first about it as an insult in certain video games. ( where you hit the "crouch" button over a fallen enemy. Seemed childish to me ) I don't see it as particularly depraved. And don't forget the Republicans caught in rest rooms at airports and other places.... Although I do admit that at least the Republicans acknowledge the concept of depravity, and are vocal against it. While the Dems, making no claims to morality, feel free to indulge without guilt. For example, IF certain claims of drug use and sex are true about Obama, ( which I doubt...but don't rule out.) I'm certain he feels no guilt about it, fear of losing votes, maybe a little, but no guilt. Ever. Mr_Grumpy, Why Not? I'm sure we can get you into every precinct in Chicago to vote for Obama multiple times. The van will pick you up and carry you. There will be booze. Cheap booze, but free. Just get to O'Hare. I don't WANT Romney, but I want the current trend even less. Sucks to be us. BTW, the NY primary is coming. Since Hillary isn't running against Barry, I registered R. Any suggestions? | ||
| Moxnix |
I'm seeing ABO (anyone but Obama) bumperstickers here in St. Loo. Romney only has 12 of 1000 delegates so far. I won't vote for Obama. I'm certain he hates me. Maybe the magic underwear will help Romney. Anyway, ABO. | ||
| Blake |
Come on Patrick. I didn't say "all" depraved are Dems, nor did I say that no Republicans are depraved. Clinton, Frank, and pals set the bar pretty low. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
they are pushing for a popular vote and will either force the ballot with newly minted south of the border 'constituents' or the dead. This Admin gets four more, America is done. | ||
| Gregtonn |
"Is a vote for someone else not a vote against obama?" If it helps Obama get reelected, and it would, then it is not. G | ||
| Guell |
If it helps Obama get reelected, and it would, then it is not. no, I would have to disagree with you, its a vote for neither turd in this election | ||
| Gregtonn |
"...its a vote for neither turd in this election" Which is not a vote against Obama, but very much like Obama's favorite vote..."present"... The man's existence is a total waste of breathable air. G | ||
| Aesquire |
Agree with Gregton here. It's not how you feel about the guy. Frankly, most politics is "my lying sack of XX is better than your lying...". But that's not important here. It's a simple logic process. Do you want The Current Guy to remain in power? If no, vote for the "other guy". In cases of multiple "other guys" vote for the most likely to actually win, or your vote helps keep the Current Guy in office. It's math. If you don't vote, you help the Current Guy remain. If we end up with (say) Barry, Mitt and Newt, you win have to do a rational analysis of who's got the best chance. Then vote that way even if he's a repellent slug. Even if you think the other guy could do a better job. If it was between Newt and Mitt, then vote your preference. Feel free to do so in your Primary. Please. But in the nationals.... you go rational. | ||
| Littlebuggles |
I don't get all the hate against Romney. The Winter Olympics were failing in Salt Lake until they pulled him in. Stepping in and taking over on a committee that was being run right into the ground he pulled it off... You guys weren't here so I'll tell you the local news was full of stories about the various b.s. antics and behavior of the SLOC. Bribes and bad ethics, I think there was some sort of a sex scandal. So they announced this guy Mitt coming in to try and fix it. I was thinking "Who is this dude they're pulling in from the East Coast and how the hell can anyone fix this mess." Seriously, the whole Olympic scene was poorly managed and a mess of unethical opportunistic snakes. It was pretty similar to the condition our nation's capitol is in right now. It would have been a huge embarrassment not only to Utah, but to the United States for the Olympics to fail. I think it was good training for this current project. I don't know Mitt's history on guns, and haven't looked him up with the NRA but fiscally Mormon's are taught to be conservative - there's a lot of deep wallets in MA, how did he do there? If it was anything like Huntsman(another Mormon) as a governor in UT he'll do fine. I really don't get all the concern, I do see the "I get a funny felling about this guy" though. He's largely unknown and is very much an anomaly, plus he's not very exciting, but then Obama gave some pretty exciting speeches, where did that get us? I'm on the ABO wagon, but I am fairly comfortable with Mitt as the other guy. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I am just really hoping the Mayans were right, time for a clean slate. | ||
| Cowboy |
A leopard cannot change his spots--watch out for your GUNS | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Littlebuggles, you think maybe your biased somewhat? | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Aesquire, I'll be happy to come over & vote as many times & in as many places for whichever candidate. All I need is an airline ticket from Geneva to the US. Oh & a waffle house breakfast every day. Or if it's Chicago Ann Sather's. I'm cheap! | ||
| Oldog |
Joe, tea baggers are most likely staunch Democrats. Most depraved types are. The Tea party is about TAXES tea Standing for Taxed Enough Already!, the Dems FEAR the "TEA BAGGERS" typical lefty crap ridicule what you oppose and cant beat in a debate. The vast majority that I have met are fedup with government waste, and over reach. ( DEMS ? ) }We have issues with both parties, on that score. The teaparty repubs are the ones that were fighting for a balanced budget and limits on spending, they lost that one to harry reed DEM I am not a huge fan of J bohner, we did see in the debit limit squabble, several solutions come out of the repub house, the DEMS voting "present" or "its dead on arrival" it is crucial that Obama be removed and ALL of the crap that has been done by the "welfare party" be undone... GOD HELP US IF WE MESS THIS UP.... | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Hmmm... Reps want decreased spending, Dems want increased tax revenue. You know if I was in debt up to my eyeballs and spending 75% more than I was making... I'd drastically decrease my spending AND look for any possible way to increase my revenue. Unfortunately neither party is going to do both of those things and they're fighting tooth and nail against each other to prevent even one or the other from happening. If that well known picture of the US budget as a household budget doesn't look bleak enough... Also consider that grandpa and grandma are retired now and we promised we'd take care of them, unfortunately that's costing a lot more than we thought it would. We got into some serious conflicts with the neighbors which are really taking their toll with the court (military) costs and the new security system, not to mention the neighbors' property damage we got stuck paying for. Plus every year we go around the neighborhood and give gifts to everyone to make sure they still like us. The young kids need insurance, medicine, and education. Also, the middle kids are outta school now but can't get a job so most of 'em are living with mom and dad. We could get them hired on by some of the older kids but they all went to work in China, India, and other foreign nations. And we're pretty sure the mexican fellow that mows the lawn is letting his wife and kids sneak food out of the kitchen. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
NP, The problem has gotten so large that taxation is simply not going to make a dent. I did the numbers and the federal government would have to tax 49% of EVERY dollar earned above $32,000 of income just to cover the annual budget. That doesn't even put one cent toward repayment of the debt. That just covers the $3.6T budget. Oh, and that budget will be 8% higher next year automatically. I would actually accept a modest flat tax increase across the board (everyone pays their fair share from Buffet to the lowest income) of 5%. That would raise about $600B. We would then need to cut $1T from the budget and we would need to tie any future increases to increases in GDP. It goes down 5%, the budget must find 5% in additional cuts. It goes up 5%, you have 5% more to work with next year. That should give us $350-$500B annually to pay toward the debt. The problem is that elephants have long memories. We still remember when Democrats screwed Reagan. We placed tax increases on the table in return for reductions in the size of government and the Democrats didn't follow through on their promise. This time Democrats are going to put their babies on the alter FIRST before one penny of tax increases happens. We've done this dance before and didn't like the feeling of the Democrats hands on our shoulders while they whispered in our ears.  | ||
| Cowboy |
Need coment from Cityslicker--What do you think the out come would be (dollar wise) If the soouthern gulf coast states would break a way--as right to work states and most of the oil reserves timber ect would have. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
From a thread a few months ago: So it's time to tax the rich. What tax rate? "We are hearing that it's time for he "rich to pay their fair share". With that being the case, what percentage of earned income should the rich pay? The top 50% pay 97.30% of the total taxes, so we are talking about the top 50% only. Care to guess what the latest numbers were for the AGI for this group? The top 1% had combined AGI of $1.685T. We need $3.6T per year to pay for the current budget. That won't work. Gateway income for top 1%: $380,354 The top 5% had combined AGI of $2.9T. We need $3.6T per year to pay for the current budget. That won't work. Gateway income for top 5%: $159,619 The top 10% had combined AGI of $3.86T. We need $3.6T per year to pay for the current budget. Great. Now we just need to collect 93% of every dollar earned by the top 10%. Think they'll go for that? Gateway income for top 10%: $113,799 The top 25% had combined AGI of $5.68T. So we'll need to collect 63.4% of every dollar earned by the top 25%. Think they'll go for that? Gateway income for top 25%: $67,280 The top 50% had combined AGI of $7.35T. Would we'll need to collect 49% of every dollar earned by the top 50%. Think the top 50% will go for that? Gateway income for the top 50%: $33,048 So to pay for the current budget EVERYONE above $33,048 is now "rich" and must pay 49% of EVERY DOLLAR EARNED. Still think taxing the rich will fix the problem?" http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html ,id=102886,00.html,http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/art icle/0,,id=102886,00.html The refusal of the Taxed Enough Already Party to budge an inch on this issue is due to the fact that any tax increase will simply be a temporary placebo and that the problem can't be fixed simply by taxing the rich more. It's time for EVERYONE to eat their baby but not without fixing the underlying issues with government. Democrats absolutely cannot give an inch in this area because it is a direct impact on the Progressive power base of redistribution of wealth. If Progressives can't give away candy from the candy store, the votes end. There isn't anything else to offer. | ||
| Xb1125r |
I think Romney is the choice I want a republican that is a businessman so he knows what we need to do to get jobs created in america. I like also someone that looks Presidential. the rest of the republicans look like they have been smoking pot or eating to many nachos. religion, who cares. i say live and let live. get rid of the pink Army and let only real man in. just wait until a gay marine falls in love with a gay taliban,lol | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
thats the gayest shit ive read today xb1125 | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I'm still waiting for my airline ticket. | ||
| Littlebuggles |
Johnny, I think I am biased. I saw a man do his job, and do it well. Does that strike you as biased? Dude came in with a shovel and cleared away all the b.s. There were a lot of problems and he made things work. I had doubts and had no idea who he was, but to me, he proved himself. Religion has nothing to do with it, unless religion is what is directing this guy to put in a days labor. Even then, everyone has choice. I've seen pieces of crap human beings, of many different religions. I tend to base my opinion of folks by what I see them do, regardless of their race, gender, religion, sexual orientation or otherwise. I really do my best to judge a man based on his his actions, it helps me keep my head straight in my professional life as well as my personal life. Is that unhealthy bias? I don't think so. Cowbow, if Romney is anti-gun he needs to re-examine the Bill of Rights. Can you post a link to help me find his history on gun ownership please? I'd like to understand this accusation. As a Corrections officer I think individuals need to have the right to protect themselves upheld. Dealing with these creeps that prey on the rest of the population, and knowing the response time of the police I believe it is vitally important for people to not only be allowed to have fire arms, but encouraged to. Never mind having them to fight against a government that could prove itself tyrannical if the peoples' right to bear arms is infringed. | ||
| Mtjm2 |
Not a fan . Will pull the trigger . | ||
| Mikef5000 |
Ft_Bstrd, that is some excellent information. I wish the influential people in this country (politics, media, etc) gave a hoot where we were headed, that information is so simple and easy to understand, it just needs spread around. Oh, and I'm in the ABO party right now too, although I'm so disappointing in having to be in that mindset. | ||
| Gschuette |
Classic case of forest and the trees in this thread. Most in this thread have forgotten Eisenhower's farewell speech. There is such thing as the powers that be. Why have we been in nearly constant war since at least WW2? I'm so sick of hearing about voting for Romney because he can beat Obama. And then do what? Help Goldman appoint technocrats here much like Monti in Italy? The problems of this world transcend the one man with a president label. Sack up and vote on the issues! BTW IMO gay marriage Isnt an issue! It's a religious issue! Let churches sort it out! Gov. Can recognize civil unions and that's it. If you want to sign up for a lifetime of arguments, monogamy, and resentment and your local extortion clinic, be my guest. It isn't a federal issue. Yet at the debates they spend more time on gay marriage than anything. Is that really the most pressing national issue? How did it even make the list given the current fiscal problems. We are a nation of idiots I suppose and we deserve what we vote for. •••• it. Roll over, vote for Romney and continue to take it in the status quo ass. Good job America. Romney=Obama=Bush=Clinton and so on. They are all the same! | ||
| Reindog |
So you think Obama is a good President? I understand your frustration but it really is one or the other at this point. Choose or be quiet. | ||
| Gschuette |
I said nothing good about Obama. I am suggesting that Romney is really no different than Obama. I have made a choice. BTW do some research on how Mario Monti came to power last year in Italy. If that doesn't make you scared shitless about Goldman Sachs' agenda then I don't know what will. Hmmmm. Who is a major contributor to BOTH Obama and Romney? Oh yeah. Goldman Sachs. Goldman + NDAA = it's only a matter of time before the technocrat revolution happens here. | ||
| Moxnix |
I heard a story how Huntsman dropped out of high school to play keyboards in a rock band. Perhaps I'll vote for him in the primary on that basis. |
