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Moxnix
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 - 02:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I get a big kick out of Ron Paul.

Ron Paul wants to:

Define life as starting at conception (re: abortion): http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.259 7:

Build a fence along the US-Mexico border: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll446.xml

Prevent the Supreme Court from hearing cases on the Establishment Clause or the right to privacy - permitting the return of sodomy laws and the like (a bill which he has repeatedly re-introduced): http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.300:

Withdraw from the UN: (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.114 6:

Disband NATO: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2004/cr03 3004.htm

End birthright citizenship: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.J.RES .46:

Deny federal funding to any organization which "which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style" along with destroying public education and social security: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d096:h.r.7 955:

Abolish the Federal Reserve http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.275 5: in order to put America back on the gold standard:

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr02 1506.htm

He was also the sole vote against divesting US federal government investments in corporations doing business with the genocidal government of the Sudan: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h200 7-764

Ron Paul also:

Believes that the Left is waging a war on religion and Christmas: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html

Is against gay marriage: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul197.html
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, I like him too. Can't say I agree with everything, but I do like the guy.

I doubt he'll ever attain a higher office than the one he holds now.
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Moxnix
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No doubt.

Being demonized by both the right and the left during the campaign period is a bigger badge of honor than getting elected.
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86129squids
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Definitely the most sane and sensible of them all...

Of all the GOP flavors being presented, I like him the best- the rest are waaaaaay too nutty, as usual.
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Guell
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

so far he gets my vote
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 - 07:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Definitely the most sane and sensible of them all...


Yeah, a Nuclear Iran is quite sensible. : |


The guy's a quack. He has a few good points punctuated by sheer lunacy.
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Strokizator
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the rest are waaaaaay too nutty, as usual.

Let's recap. The 2008 democratic primary included such luminaries as Dennis Kucinich, Chris Dodd and Hillary Clinton. Let's not forget the stellar academicians of 2004 such as Al Sharpton, Howard Dean (Yeehaw!), Dick Gephardt, the lying SOB John Edwards and the french-looking John Kerry.
Can 2016 and Al Franken be far off?
Yep, no sketchy dudes in that list. Just sayin.
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pwnzor,

Listen to our boy, Marc Levin, from his bunker. Marc says that Ron Paul is a nut job in his foreign policy views. Marc is absolutely correct that RP is no good for America. Don't make me come to Georgia and whack some sense in you.

-Reindog. December 13, 2008.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 - 08:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The pundants have gotten us this far(right and left) so lets choose the traditional path. I say whoever wins the most corporate backing be the primary victor...as usual.
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Moxnix
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe I'll vote for Ru Paul if Ron isn't the candidate.
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All of the candidates seem more sensible than Obama the divider. If RP is it then so be it. If he (or whoever) doesn't cut it then, in 4 years someone else will.
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M1combat
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 12:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What's a pundant?
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 03:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ron so far is pro wikileaks, pro OWS, pro legalization of pot, anti war, anti SOPA, and anti fascist state bullshit. Time will tell, but things are looking good for him.
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Boltrider
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 03:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Paul is good people and I'm glad he hasn't gone away. He's "Fed" up with the status quo and would be a huge improvement over the current occupier of the White House.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 04:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe so, but nobody from outside the US would take you seriously while he was in office & your nation would be totally screwed.

Strokizator, I don't know what "French-Looking" is & I live in France. Also I had no idea that it could disbar you from high office in the land of the free.

I don't get the whole Ron Paul thing, from what I've read the guy wants to turn back the clock.
You all bang on about freedom & liberty all the time, but all his policies seem to restrict somebody or at least curtail their freedom some way or other.

I wish you all luck & may you all get what you deserve.
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Cowboy
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 05:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Our Country ( USA) is in such a state that any one of the GOP canidates could improve the economy. how ever I see a hell of a problem coming down the road with PUTIN the only onesmart enough to handle hit is GRINRICH
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 07:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tom,

I said I like the guy, not that I like him as President. I'm fairly certain if he were elected, we would have our very first nuclear attack on US soil.

I have to agree with Cowboy on this one, Grinrich is the guy to deal with Pootin.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bolton for President!
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Trojan
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 08:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

how ever I see a hell of a problem coming down the road with PUTIN the only onesmart enough to handle hit is GRINRICH

The Russian people will eventually sort out Putin and his corrupt comrades. The 'west' would be well advised to let Moscow sort out their own internal problems and not get involved.
Left to their own devices Russia will get itself out of its current malaise (and probably into another one), but if they think that they have an external enemy to fight that will be great for Putin and will take Russian anger away from their own politicians.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 09:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe so, but nobody from outside the US would take you seriously while he was in office & your nation would be totally screwed.

Just for reference, when has anyone outside the US taken us seriously in the last 25 years (or more?)?

Anybody we've bombed doesn't count.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We have enough technology to gauge threats abroad. By our foreign logic lets put more cameras to spy on our citizens and scanners at malls. Let iran twitch first and we"ll have 99% of the country backing a full on response.
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Strokizator
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know what "French-Looking" is

If you remember back to 2004 there was a dust-up between the US and France, I believe over Iraq. Anyway, there was a lot of anti-French sentiment and french fries were called freedom fries, we didn't drink French wines - stuff like that. Kerry has a bit of a gallic look to him so at the time it was just a joke that a vote for him was a vote in sympathy towards France.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh yes I remember it well, The US media created an anti French frenzy because the French president was doing exactly what he was elected to do, meaning look out for his nation's best interests.

Most French people thought it hilarious & that it just confirmed their view of the "uncivilised yankees".

Water under the bridge, we won't rehash all that again.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The US media created the frenzy that made good people vote for a career college student out of hatred for Bush. France in 04 was an ally to alphabet networks. Maybe by media you meant fox news and a couple people on the am radio?
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Most French people thought it hilarious & that it just confirmed their view of the "uncivilised yankees".

That's pretty ironic considering recent actions by the French in Libya. Of course BO was stupid enough to do the dirty work for them. No doubt they are still laughing at us.



If history is written by the victor, then why is there French history?
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

alphabet networks?

If history is written by the victor, then why is there French history?

Because most of France used to belong to the kings of England!

As for Libya, it's in the backyard of Europe, so it's in French interests.

Going back to 04 the 3 main objectors to the coalition invasion of Iraq were France, Germany & Russia, why?
Because they were the 3 of the major oil contract holders in Iraq & they knew that the invasion premise was flawed from their own inside sources.
So I repeat, all Chirac did was what he was supposed to do.

But this is all very old news.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So it was the anit-war folks that were motivated by oil in the Iraq war. Now it all makes sense when they say "it was all about oil". Thanks for the insight!
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, you're welcome, if there's anything else I can help you with, please hesitate to ask.
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Strokizator
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Over here, we call old news "history". The scandals in the oil-for-food program included:
The sole bank handling funds transfers for the Oil-for-Food Programme was the New York branch of the Banque Nationale de Paris-Paribas, or BNP Paribas. This French bank was the sole bank administering the $64 billion UN programme. An investigation by the US House Committee on International Relations found that BNP Paribas made payments without proof that goods were delivered and sanctioned payments to third parties not identified as authorized recipients. Investigators estimate that the bank received more than $700 million in fees under the UN programme that began in 1996 and ended after the ousting of Saddam in March 2003.

Not meaning to single out France, there's lot of blame to go around, but since France sits on the UN Security Council they are obligated to do more than just "look out for the nation's best interests".
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When the foreign minister of France and high officials in Germany & Russia were being bribed to the tune of millions under the UN "Oil for Bribes...I mean Food" Program it isn't even required to look at the weapons sales from France and Russia and the massive bunker contracts to german firms or the French and German firms who were making chemical plants for the Nice Iraqi Dictator who liked to feed enemies into a wood chipper.

I'd get into the Mirage fighters, Russian anti-aircraft & tanks & guns & Migs sold to a country known for making war on it's neighbors for oil, but that might be unfair. ( after all, didn't America sell F-14's to the Shah of Iran, before Jimmy Carter decided to let the mad mullah ( "a saint" ) slaughter untold thousands? )

I'm not happy with Ron Paul's foreign policies. I could be wrong, but it seems every time America Goes isolationist, Europe Burns.

Not that Europe is a stranger to war. Ask those British Kings who kept losing France, or those nice folks on the border between France and Germany... or the Swiss who no one attacks anymore, not because they are "neutral", but because the Swiss mercenaries kicked A$$ so well the rest of Europe not so politely asked them to be neutral so they could have wars decided by tactics and power, not by who hired the most Swiss. William Tell wasn't really famous for shooting apples. That was a story for the children...later.

It is unfair to pick on "the French". French politicians and Generals, however are fair game just as our own are. Uncivilized? Yah, you betcha.

I couldn't tell you which wine goes with what food. I know just enough to recall that French grapes are in large part from California. ( which came from France... they had a grape plague in France and had to bring plants back to rebuild the industry ) I don't know how the French make Perch taste so good.

I also have to tell the French that a Royale from McDonalds really isn't a good example of American Cuisine. American Cuisine is a mix of all the stuff people brought here from the Old Country, sometimes adapted to new plants and animals. Mirepoix to Sashimi.
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