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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 - 04:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Odd that the press isn't working to savage Cain's accusers characters the way Lewinsky, Jones, and Flowers were.

If Cain were Democrat, there wouldn't have been the first accusation, or if there were an accusation, it would be painted as a "private matter" by the press and all the pundits.

Remember Vera Baker?



No? I hear she's banished to Martinique.

Per Michelle's orders.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have frequently observed the mainstream press not aggressively pursuing allegations of sexual misconduct on prominent liberal politicians.

Look at candidate Bill Clinton and candidate John Edwards as prime examples.

The allegations were all over the place, and none were pursued publicly. They finally came to light via fringe outlets (Drudge Report and the National Enquirer).

Once the stories were "broken" by non mainstream outlets, did the "traditional" media start covering them and giving them airtime.

Pick another example. Who outed Valerie Plame as a CIA operative? The media beat that to death, and Scooter Libby (a Bush staffer) lost his job and went to jail over it. Except the outing had already happened before Libby said boo... it was a Democratic Clinton appointee that leaked the information to the press.
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Doerman
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I were a presidential candidate, I would "pre-scandalize" myself.

I would dig up all the dirt I could think of about myself and put it on my campaign website.

That way, there are no surprises later on.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's precisely what I was thinking of . . . I'd render all the dirt worthless by simply posting the names and addresses and be done with it.


Seriously . . . I wander how it would have been handled if Cain (and I don't think he has ever been seen as a viable candidate) had tossed the names out first.

I suspect it would have all been called "private" and he'd be in the process of being sued by all of them.

Frankly . . . there have been so many folks in The White House with gals on the side while in office I think we've been a bit desensitized.

(Message edited by court on November 29, 2011)
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sex scandal
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Kenm123t
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 - 05:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court are you channeling Wilt Chamberlain ?
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Kenm123t
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Doer your already scandalized your on Badweb!
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Doerman
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know... Proud of it though!
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are you saying you believe that if a woman came forward and publicly accused Pres. Obama of having an affair with her, the press would hold back or otherwise suppress the story because he's liberal?

Yes. There is a book out that states that Barry did some Cocaine and had sex with a traveler through Chi-town. I heard the hoo-rah when it came out, pushed on a right winger radio show, and put it in the "possible, but not likely" category. edit: I skipped over that it was a guy

The "press" didn't touch it.

After lots of thought, and a few years of Barry on tv, I still put it in the same category, I don't believe the guy, but Barry's narcissism, grooming ( I'm a slob ) and willingness to show off his abs makes me think that bi-sexual is the least of his psychological issues.

To be clear. I Doubt the accuser. I know Barry has done Coke, he has said so, and strongly suspect his sexuality.

And, I don't really care. How big a surprise to YOU would it be if Barack Obama had an affair? Do you really think he keeps oaths?

I don't know about Cain, either, but the Libya pause alone has made him nearly unelectable. Pity. Had Hope. For Change.

(Message edited by aesquire on November 29, 2011)
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Kowski,

Are you kidding me?!? They've covered everything else up and they've gone out of their way to slime Cain. If the MSM had been less corrupt, Obama would have NEVER been elected president. He would have been exposed as a do-nothing liar who affiliates with racists, felons, and terrorists.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As she does so often, Ann Coulter nails it.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47857
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - 11:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great column....... I think Cain's going nowhere but the allegations are absurd.
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Doerman
Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - 11:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just keep in mind. Sex is a contact sport.

Why watch football on TV? Go and have a contact sport moment with wife or SO. Much better.

Besides, if sex was a "scandal" then there would not be much progeny out there, would it.

That's my opinion, and I'll consider standing by it .
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - 11:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

meh, didnt Italy appoint a porno star to office ?
At least if you are getting f'd by the govment, she is sexy to look at.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 05:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's the Anglo-Saxon puritan press at work.

An elected official caught boffing his secretary in the US or UK "SCANDAL HE MUST GO!" scream the papers & tv until he quits.

In Europe? Silly bastard fancy getting caught.

Because most europeans consider that as long as it doesn't impinge on his job or national security, it's up to him what he does with his pecker.

As for the left being immune, not so!
DSK was the only credible opposition to Sarkozy for the presidency in next years elections here, & look what happened to him.
I'm pretty sure there's more to the affair than meets the eye, but equally he's known to have WDT (wandering d*** trouble).
Either way, he's done.
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Oldog
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sad to see the Cain Train derailed like this
I Liked the man and thought that he had promise, the fact that the 2 whores that Obamas hatchet man sent out have "disappeared"
is no surprise.

The long standing affair is a shock, personaly Im disappointed, I believe that Cain would have made a good president,
How ever Newt, would also be a good president, hey any of the repub candidates would be better than the POS we have now,

Cain is to speak with his wife on the subject and they will decide if he is to continue.

The Libya gaffel, like Perrys memory slip, minor, Presidents have advisors for a reason...

I will stay tuned.
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Macbuell
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That the main stream media said absolutely NOTHING during the while they new Edwards was having an affair while his wife was fighting cancer was a complete joke.

On Cain, he should move aside. It serves as nothing but a distraction now and people are talking about that rather than important subjects that really need to drive the debate.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

While I actually agree with you Mac, I'm starting to wonder if conservatives should change. I wish both parties were held to the same standard, and our only options were great leaders with fantastic morals and integrity.

But when only one party has it's feet held to the fire, I wonder how well it serves us. Personally, I think Cain (if he was having an affair) and Gingrich (for what I'm pretty sure he did do) are @$$%*&&$.

But I think either would be a much better president for the country than anything the Democratic party is offering.

I guess the older I get, having seen great leaders in my life, the lower my expectations get. Most of the people I have seen accomplish really great things have also been @$$&^%^# in some degree as well (myself included).

I'm kinda at the point where I want to hire a good president. If he isn't a jerk to his spouse, so much the better. But if he is that's mainly between him and his wife.

And the old argument "if you can't trust him to be true to his spouse, how can you trust him to be true to his country" is getting thin as well. The more I learn about government, the less I have any belief that any of them will be true to it on their own. They will be true to it to the degree that the checks and balances and laws require it, and to the degree that their personal self interests align with those of the country. I've gotten to the point where I pretty much assume they are all very self interested to begin with... I haven't seen any other type make it far in politics.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just a little truth on Mr. Gingrich:

My father, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, has been in politics as long as I can remember.

And as long as I can remember, media coverage about him has contained misstatements of facts. The vast majority are simple mistakes that are easily corrected, understood and rewoven into an ongoing storyline.

But one of them seems to have taken on a life of its own, and simple corrections have not sufficed to set the record straight. Why does this happen? I can't be sure, but I suspect that the narrative created by these untruths proves to be so much more compelling and more dramatic than what actually happened that it proves irresistible.

I'm talking about the story of my father's visit to my mother while she was in the hospital in 1980.

For years, I have thought about trying to correct the untrue accounts of this hospital visit. After all, I was at the hospital with them, and saw and heard what happened. But I have always hesitated, as it was a private family matter and my mother is a very private person. In addition, for the four people involved, it was one of a million interactions and was not considered a defining event by any of us.

My mother and I have both recently run into quite a few people who hold an inaccurate understanding of this hospital visit. Many think my mother is dead.

So, to correct the record, here is what happened: My mother, Jackie Battley Gingrich, is very much alive, and often spends time with my family. I am lucky to have such a "Miracle Mom," as I titled her in a column this week.

As for my parents' divorce, I can remember when they told me.

It was the spring of 1980.

I was 13 years old, and we were about to leave Fairfax, Va., and drive to Carrollton, Ga., for the summer. My parents told my sister and me that they were getting a divorce as our family of four sat around the kitchen table of our ranch home.

Soon afterward, my mom, sister and I got into our light-blue Chevrolet Impala and drove back to Carrollton.

Later that summer, Mom went to Emory University Hospital in Atlanta for surgery to remove a tumor. While she was there, Dad took my sister and me to see her.

It is this visit that has turned into the infamous hospital visit about which many untruths have been told. I won't repeat them. You can look them up online if you are interested in untruths. But here's what happened:

My mother and father were already in the process of getting a divorce, which she requested.

Dad took my sister and me to the hospital to see our mother.

She had undergone surgery the day before to remove a tumor.

The tumor was benign.

As with many divorces, it was hard and painful for all involved, but life continued.

As have many families, we have healed; we have moved on.

We are not a perfect family, but we are knit together through common bonds, commitment and love.

My mother and father are alive and well, and my sister and I are blessed to have a close relationship with them both.

My sister and I feel that it is time to move on, close the book on this event and focus on building a great future. We will not answer additional questions or make additional comments regarding this meaningless incident, which occurred more than three decades ago.

As I said, my mother is a private person. She will not give media interviews. She deserves respect and should be allowed to live in peace.

--Jackie Gingrich Cushman, Daughter to Newt Gingrich


edited to clarify quoted article : )

(Message edited by Blake on December 01, 2011)
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Olddog,

>>> The long standing affair is a shock, personally I'm disappointed...


Have heart; read Coulter's article. My gut says that the accusations are complete baloney.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Shame how truth screws everything up . . .

I want a leader.

I'm willing to forgive many of the things I and many friends have been forgiven for, tolerate others and laugh with a person who has a lot of the stupid habits I have.

I don't need a perfect person.

I'd like a good leader.

I've seen them in people like Commanding General Joseph Fegan, who I served under while in the USMC, President Reagan, who I served under during my time with The White House and my Dad who I watched take $500 borrowed from 10 Lineman in a bar and turn it into one of the most respected construction organizations in the country.

Most of you have similar experiences.

In pursuit if our "everybody gets an "A" and everyone wins every race" fantasy that equality can be achieved by simply setting the bar to where the least capable can clear it . . . we've invited the incompetent, incapable and unscrupulous to the table.

I long for the "good old day" when someone like Barak Obama would have been fired without hesitation for lack of ability.

Governor Christie said it best . . . . "We don't need a bystander in the Oval Office".

America is a proud and great country that's being cast in a role that fails to showcase our ability, collective talent, compassion and greatness.

I hope the jobs outlook, housing situation and the economy improve. But my gut tells me we can do no more than tread water till we find that leader.

We deserve much better than we have.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Jeremy.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 02:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If there's any truth to these allegations about Cain, he should be disqualified just for his bad choices in bimbos. From what I understand all of these accusers have histories of making similar accusations of others in the past. Seeing that common thread really has me doubting the accusers. How common can it be that normal people have to file multiple sexual harassment lawsuits in their lifetimes? I take these kinds of accusations seriously, but this group of victims just seem to beat the odds.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

November 30th Sean Hannity Interview with Newt Gengrich
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't believe a single accuser.

If ANY of them have ANY credible evidence of sexual misconduct or even consenting sexual relationships, I would be willing to alter my position.

I believe there is a concerted evidence to create the appearance of misconduct without the proof that the activity is/has taken place.

Chicago style politics.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I compare the gravity of the accusations (in which I place very little merit) and compare them with the gravity of the challenges that face us and I get very concerned about the time and energy otherwise sane people are allocating to this.

That would also be my view if Herman Cain was a staunch Democrat.

Little wonder solutions seem so elusive.
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Oldog
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 02:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I watched the Gengrich Interview, I'm Impressed,

I think a debate between Newt & barry would be pretty one sided affair.

( I would find the mediforic invisceration of barroc i-suck obama entertaining )

Herman has been lied about, Personally I want the true stories of the whores told,
This last one how ever is quite sad, I understand that they were close associates // friends and have been for years, I watched the interview the lady said in her own words that she spoke up because the "insiders" knew and she felt better if it came from her, she looked troubled and quite sad, ... I am too. I believe that Cain has good ideas, and would do his best to move forward, and fix the mess.
Were I Newt, I would consider Herman for a cabinet position.. Were I Herman and still running I would consider Newt for VP because of his experience and character.


Im with Ft on one point while I want Herman to come roaring back, I plan on voting for the NOT OBAMA canadate repub.

Thanks for the link Blake..
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Buellkowski
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If my wife found out that I regularly paid the bills of a woman she didn't know without her consent, I'd be out on my ear in a heartbeat with a Frye boot firmly lodged up my butt.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111201/NEWS06 05/111209989
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 07:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A friend of mine's husband died unexpectedly. It was tragic. She was heartbroken. They had a wonderful marriage, and he was a great husband and father.


For weeks after his death, she would get letters and phone calls from people she didn't know and had never met thanking her for her husband. He had helped literally dozens of people financially without her knowing anything about it.

He actually paid one single mother's rent payment for her one month.

He wasn't having an affair with her. He simply saw a need and did what he could to help her.


Sometimes where there is smoke, there is fire. Other times where there is smoke there are mirrors.

Even Ginger White's attorney says there is NO evidence to prove an affair.



I have had a 6 year affair with Blake. I have phone records, emails, and text messages going back 6 years. There has even been money exchanged. My wife knows nothing about it.

Blake, prove that there isn't an affair between us.



I have given people money to help them out, and my wife knows nothing about it. Does that mean I am having an affair?
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Kenm123t
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lol FT are you outing Blake?
The tragedy of Darrell finding out there is another buddy

Now we know the source of Chars obsession with chaps! But we really dont want to know who. FT may be Char was right about you
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