| Author | Message | ||
     86129squids |
He all- my 92 Nissan hardbody has a broken plunger on the face of the starter switch- I can take a nail or something and close the switch to start the truck, but obviously that's a huge PITA... anyone know an easy way to bypass this thing? In the meantime, I'll be googling... thought all the smart peeps here could come up with a fix quick... Thanks! | ||
| Thumper74 |
Just jump the terminals... | ||
| 86129squids |
Thanks Thumper- Yeah, Captain Obvious reporting... I ended up just cutting the two wires in the back of the switch, stripping the ends, and putting on an acorn connector. Started out just wanting to adjust my clutch pedal after replacing the master and slave units, F-ed up the frickin switch. Amazing how engineers must have to answer to lawyers nowadays, and even back several decades.  | ||
| Just_ziptab |
engineers must have to answer to lawyers nowadays I neart got stranded,driving the company car. Could not get it out of park. Aparently,you have to step on the brake when you want to stop....AND go. Just waiting for the idiots to make it mandatory that you have to step on the brake AND the clutch in order to select a gear.....I want to go,not whoa!  | ||
| Froggy |
I've never seen a car that would let you take it out of park without the brake. It is a no brainer in terms of safety, it wouldn't be hard to knock it out of park accidentally. | ||
| Sifo |
I've never seen a car that would let you take it out of park without the brake. Young'uns!  | ||
| Kenm123t |
Froggy = Pup lol Post micro chip kiddo | ||
| Guell |
dont say younguns, froggy just hasnt driven something old enough where you didnt need the brake to get it out of park. The companies old f100 was notorious for starting in any gear, brake pedal not required. | ||
| Froggy |
You guys must be older than dust then, according to some lawyer site the safety interlock has been around since 1914. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Froggy is a "fly by wireless" kind of guy. Doesn't work if your 98 S-10 electric fuel pump dies in the middle of the intersection or stop light. Won't crank unless the clutch is pushed in. 80 Pinto,put it in low ,crank the starter and hobble out of the way.  I don't need a clutch interlock to tell me to push the clutch in to start it.....that's a no brainer. Just think of the nifty Darwin awards we could see with out interlocks! Have not owned an automatic for decades.YMMV......../ | ||
| Nik |
My Tacoma has a button to turn the clutch switch off so the start can be used to move the car in tricky situations. | ||
| Froggy |
Doesn't work if your gravity fed Blast decides to stop running, crank crank crank all you want, its not going anywhere, with no explanation and nothing to help you troubleshoot.
Neither do I, but what if you brain fart and forget? Don't say its impossible. What if there is an electrical issue and your car suddenly gets the urge to start when it rains hard? I've heard of stranger things happening.
Yea, including potentially you or someone you know as a casualty do to someone else having a brain fart, or just being an idiot in general. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Froggy = Pup lol ??? My 1978 Monte Carlo would not shift out of park without the brake, so I don't think age is the problem. I think broken vehicles are what you guys have been driving. Aside from the simple safety advantages, I'm sure that shifting through reverse on the way to drive, without any brake pressure to keep the vehicle from moving, is very healthy for the transmission. Clutch safety switches are a good idea as well. Without them, people are going to get used to starting without the clutch in neutral. Then a brain fart, car is in gear, tap the starter and it lunges forward into a pregnant lady or sumtin. Being able to disable them is a good idea, though. | ||
| Smoke |
first car-1954 plymouth-what safety items-0 second car-1961 chevy-seat belts iirc third car-68 datsun- seat belts 4th car-67 chevy window van-seat belts didn't get any interlocks until the 80's when i bought a late 70's dodge. aggravating crap! hell, i ain't even old!  tim | ||
| Sifo |
according to some lawyer site the safety interlock has been around since 1914. It may have been around since then, but that doesn't mean that it was required or even widely implemented. Personally I'm glad to have experienced the world before the government had a mission to protect us from every conceivable act of stupidity. | ||
| Sifo |
BTW...
http://www.nhtsa.gov/Vehicle+Safety/Formal+Agreeme nt+Reached+on+Brake+Transmission+System+Interlock+ %28BTSI%29 | ||
| 86129squids |
Interesting discussion... On one hand, I do appreciate things that genuinely increase safety... OTOH, I just don't understand several things I buy that have "safety seals"... I don't trust my GF's car to not lock me out if I get out of the car and leave it running... it's a Toyota Solara, dang thing has all kinds of safety doodads. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
I can't lock the doors on my S-10 with the remote.... if the door is open..but I can disable the passenger side airbag anytime I want. I can't turn the headlight off,once they have automatically turned on. I can't take the key out,with out going thu the extra motion of pushing a button on the ignition lock. The radio stays on when I turn off the ignition and remove the key. It stays on for 20 minutes of listening....as long as I don't open the door to unload groceries or what ever. I can't put up with the new car bull shit.......98 is bad enuf for me. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Froggy In 1914 most cars had a inter lock called you cant turn the hand crank with the car in gear! Delco hired Kettering to develop the starter for Cadiallac patented 1910-12 Note sure what year it reached general production Remember lawyers are what ? Professional Liars! | ||
| Strokizator |
Automatic transmission/brake lockouts are a result of the Audi unintended acceleration scare of the mid 80's. In driver's training in high school I drove a '69 Malibu with a 350/4-speed that wouldn't start until you shifted into reverse and depressed the clutch pedal, a cool feature if you stall right in the middle of a left turn. | ||
| Satori |
I do remember having several cages, as well as bikes over the years that you could start without having the clutch- or brake pressed. They include Ford Tractor, 50's someting, and a 1972 Hodaka 100B+, that bike would only require one kick over, and heck you didnt even need to be on the bike to start it. Froggy will have to google that one.  | ||
| 86129squids |
OK, what do you have that can be push/bump started anymore? Heck, the lawyers would have a field day with that... Are we approaching the day when we cannot do a burnout?! We already have wheelie control on a lot of new bikes, which is depressing...  | ||
| Crackhead |
Unless the starter died, it would be useless to try and bump start anything. The electronics require power to work. | ||
| 86129squids |
Correct... | ||
| Kenm123t |
Imagine Froggy on a Bonanza mini bike with the 100cc Hodaka a 15rpm power band @ 8000 | ||
| Satori |
Good visual... But If I remember the 100B+ had a whopping 9 hp at 7500rpm. it was fairly light though. at about 170 lbs. I'm sure Froggy would have been able to get at least 150mpg with it! | ||
| Froggy |
Great! I was doing some digging, but unfortunately 99% of the results were people with issues of not being able to get out of park. Good to see some real info.
Leave the top down  Why do you leave the car with the motor running? I can't think of any reason to do that other than to intentionally piss money away as it burns gas getting 0MPG.
Why would you lock the door if the door is open? That feature is great, it will prevent you from accidentally locking the keys in. You also can't lock it with the button on the door if the door is open and the key is in the ignition. The headlights can still turn off, you just turn the knob to parking light mode. The fully automatic headlights are fantastic, and I laugh at how many late model non-GM cars I see driving around at 8PM without any lights on just waiting to cause an accident. What is that button on the ignition are you talking about? I don't ever recall seeing that on a S10. The radio staying on is great, pull into work, you have a few minutes to kill and a great song is on. Procrastinate and then when are done just open the door and get out. You should see some of the great things new cars can do, like fully automatic parking, and headlights that tilt to aim into turns.
+1
Well that bike is ummm.... interesting...
All of my Buells. You can bump start any manual transmission car. It is actually a hypermiling technique to accelerate, put it in neutral, kill the motor, coast, then pop start it at speed, accelerate, repeat.
Every car I've ever driven, including the Prius, had a traction control disable function so you can do all the burnouts you want. Wheelie control is great, I'm hoping the new EBR bikes have it available
I've bump started my XB that had a dead battery. Granted it has lower power requirements and a permanent magnet generator, but I can see it being plausible to do on a modern car if you have a long hill.
I've seen those things as pit bikes. I don't see why anyone would bother with one when an electric will do the job better and cheaper, and not make a racket and stink up the place. | ||
| 86129squids |
Frogs- I wish it were a 'vert, sadly, no... Occasionally I leave the house and forget something- NBD to leave a motor running that long... dang you worry about fuel a lot! "stink up the place"... Are you maligning the wonderful smell of 2-stroke exhaust? Sicko... | ||
| Just_ziptab |
What is that button on the ignition are you talking about? I don't ever recall seeing that on a S10. Both my GM's have it.It locks the steering column in a separate motion.....or you don't get your key out. Nope,once the headlight is lit, there is no way to turn them off except turning off the ignition, Restart with the parking brake on and they stay off till the brake is released. | ||
| Froggy |
The "wonderful smell" is also accompanied by a "wonderful noise" when my neighbor decides to start weed whacking at 10AM. Both are irritating to say the least! Zip, its been a while since I've been in an S10, but on a search of S10 interior photos I don't see anything obvious as this switch, and searching for ignition switch isn't getting me what I want! The key should just rotate counter clockwise till the steering lock engages, then you can pull it out. Regarding your lights, it should be a knob on the leftmost portion of the dash cluster, it should have 3 modes - automatic, parking lights, and all lights All the talk of old vehicles reminds me, I've been watching MacGyver episodes and they are showing how things worked in ancient times. I guess I naturally assumed everything worked electronically even back then, so I was surprised when he popped open a traffic light control box and it used plastic cards on a thing that rotates to hit switches. I was also confused at first as to why there was a giant fan stuck to the crank on a motor, then it hit me that Jeep engineers weren't smart enough to attach the fan directly to the radiator and use an electric motor to drive it. Although, the using jumper cables on a generator as a makeshift arc welder might come in handy one day... |
