| Author | Message | ||
     Boltrider |
Yes, it's a small point on whether or not McQueary was employed in the same capacity as others in the football program back then. | ||
| Mnrider |
If I would have seen the act against a young boy the perp would have taken the beating of his life. Then I would have called 911. | ||
| Fahren |
This is another story that is a symptom of what is wrong, all wrong, with our present-day culture, and where I agree with Blake when he says, "The world is upside down and evil is having a field day. I can't say it anywhere near as well as this guy does, and how he relates this Penn State atrocity to a larger cultural context: Is There No Shame? | ||
| Buellerxt |
With all do respect, Fahren, I think whoever wrote that is an over-the-top DRAMA QUEEN consumed by the dwelling on negativity. Does he make his money 'saving souls' if they just send $25 for the rest of their lives? LOL It is BS in spades. I agree with his assessments on Penn State and Joe Paterno, the inactions and consequences were a travesty, but extrapolating like he does is moronic. Those kinds of inactions and consequences have assuredly been going on since the beginning of time and aren't proof of our society spiraling toward hell as this drama queen rants on about. 'Proof' of that is the outrage exhibited over the Penn State news from every quarter. | ||
| Fahren |
Buellerxt, the author gives clear examples of goes wrong in education (Penn State), religion (the Catholic Church), government and the financial world when man's activities are not grounded in morality, when men place themselves above The Law and therefore feel free to perpetrate crimes.
That the author, like many on this board and, thankfully, elsewhere around the country, feel outrage, have their eyes open, and are ready and willing to struggle against the forces that would undo us is a ray of light in the darkness. But maybe I just sound like a DRAMA QUEEN. | ||
| Blake |
Sounds too much like exploitation of evil to promote a political ideology. Not all wealthy folks are evil. The guy is not genuine. He's blaming wealthy people and those in power for it. He should be blaming Hollywood and the god-haters. I'd not be surprised if the author turned out to be a god-hater. | ||
| Blake |
Sounds a bit too much like exploitation of evil to promote a political ideology. Wealthy folks are to blame? Huh? The guy is not genuine. He's blaming wealthy people and those in power for the moral decline of a nation. He should be blaming Hollywood and the god-haters and their enablers, promoters, supporters. I'd not be surprised if the author turned out to be a god-hater. | ||
| Fahren |
Why do you judge someone's moral outrage as exploitation? And if you think you can separate your moral compass from your political ideology, then you are part of the problem. | ||
| Blake |
>>> Why do you judge someone's moral outrage as exploitation? Because he goes on a political rant and his justification is to condemn evil. Wealth isn't evil. The love of money is the root of evil. >>> And if you think you can separate your moral compass from your political ideology, then you are part of the problem. I don't think that. I think the author is part of the problem as he's blind to the root of the moral decay we're seeing. It isn't from corporations or the wealthy. It's everywhere. God has been removed from our culture to the point where evil now has free reign. I went on a rant earlier about it. | ||
| Fahren |
While wealth, in itself, is not evil, it is ingenuous to ignore the "psychopathic" love of power and money that is rampant in so much of today's highest levels of investment houses on Wall Street. Just as you are choosing to ignore the author's outrage over the deplorable behavior of the Catholic priests and their "corporate" hierarchy; just as you are choosing to ignore the author's outrage over the corruption in government. | ||
| Blake |
I didn't ignore it. I recognize the exploitation of a deplorable crime in order to push a political agenda. Going around badmouthing "the wealthy" is nothing but miserable class warfare, evil. He's a very hateful person. I can't tolerate it. What is his solution? It's not a useful or informative rant. It's just rage and hate and negativity. What's that sound like to you? | ||
| Blake |
I don't like your assigning thoughts to me that are not mine. >>> While wealth, in itself, is not evil, it is ingenuous (sic) to ignore the "psychopathic" love of power and money that is rampant in so much of today's highest levels of investment houses on Wall Street. I think you meant "disingenuous", but to the point; I don't ignore greed as you assert. I simply disagree with the motive of the author. I find him disingenuous and exploitative of a filthy crime in order to push his political agenda. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Can't we just play some football? | ||
| Buellifer |
Quote..."The Football program should be shut down until this mess is cleaned up ." That is just stupid... Why should the football program be shut down? It was a criminal act not an NCAA violation. Real smart let's shut down the sport that funds the rest of the sports and punish the thousands of students, athletes and employees who work the stadiums and games. Put thousand of people out of work at the same time. Do you know the Penn State football program funds every sport Penn State has? So you would not only be hurting the football program but you would bring to a halt men and women basketball, wrestling, gymnastics, swimming, field hockey, tennis and every other sport at Penn State. That is real smart punish everyone for the terrible act and poor decisions of a very small percentage of the campus population. The proper steps are being done. With the firings and the arrests. There is no just cause to shut down a sport when no NCAA violation has been committed. It is in the hands of law enforcement. (Message edited by buellifer on November 12, 2011) | ||
| Moxnix |
I'm confident more information will come out, along with ugly facts. Like tonight I heard on a sports radio program that Sandusky was still recruiting for the school somewhat recently. No, the FB program shouldn't go away. Over in the football building, the people who knew what was going on clearly wanted the systematic abuse of children to happen. Otherwise, they would have put a stop to it. The people who know did essentially nothing to stop it. Therefore, they were okay with it. | ||
| Gregtonn |
"Why hasn't McQueary been fired yet!" "Honestly because technically (by law) he did what was required. By human standards not so much." That is the crux of the issue. When the law is so separated from human standards it becomes a cancer that is as harmful as the crime. G | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Do you know the Penn State football program funds every sport Penn State has? So you would not only be hurting the football program but you would bring to a halt men and women basketball, wrestling, gymnastics, swimming, field hockey, tennis and every other sport at Penn State. Awwwwww....let me shed a tear. It's a freak'n infestation of pedophiles. Clean house and start over. Sorry, if you can't play basketball any longer because the money has dried up then pack up your bags and enroll in another university. | ||
| Court |
You are right about football funding many other sports and events. Actually, it doesn't fund them directly but, by funding itself, doesn't draw from the common pot thus leaving more for other things This may change as facts unfold. There is already talk of the largest civil suit in Pennsylvania. Each of these kids will likely end up with $100,000,000. Interesting discussions yesterday about whatvthe impact may be on a Pennsylvania tray is already in dire financial condition. In addition...... This thing is young. They know about a half dozen or so cases in which the guy was sloppy enough to be caught. They may be the figurative tip of the iceberg. Other states, all of them that the school ever visited to play and this slime ball took his little " kid- ubine" along have a legit cause of action. I think Texas was talking about filing criminal charges yesterday. You think raping a child is ugly, wait till you see the penalties for transporting the child across state lines to do it. At this point we've got nearly no facts but it appears this has the potential to become mega ugly. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
What law? Can someone tell me everyone did what the "LAW" required. What law says its ok to witness a crime and then all you have to do is report it to your boss.... | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Right, this guy was an eye witness, I wonder how often McQuery and Sandusky crossed paths after that? Knowing what happened? How could he face him let alone work with him?? McQueary was very new at his job at the time of the incident. Was it the strong arm of Penn State that told him everything was being taken care of? Thats still no excuse. So many questions...will all have to wait for the investigations. Now..LEts play some FOOTBALL!!! | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"Awwwwww....let me shed a tear. It's a freak'n infestation of pedophiles. Clean house and start over. Sorry, if you can't play basketball any longer because the money has dried up then pack up your bags and enroll in another university." wow..... | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I can understand walking in on that scene and being so shocked that a person would turn away from it... hell, even leave the shower area... but after you clean the puke from you lip... you better walk back in there, grab that kid and go straight to the hospital... call the cops... beat the shit out of the old man... SOMETHING! I feel bad if I don't stop to help someone with a flat tire..... I just can't grasp letting this go on. | ||
| Moxnix |
Again, the great hordes of our current open minded "holier than thou" generations with no moral basis are more than willing to sacrifice children on the alter of pedophilia in the interest of political correctness. | ||
| Buellifer |
Quote..."Awwwwww....let me shed a tear. It's a freak'n infestation of pedophiles. Clean house and start over. Sorry, if you can't play basketball any longer because the money has dried up then pack up your bags and enroll in another university." Ferris, How would you feel if you lost your job because your company closed the door and you did not have to leave your job. All because a crime was committed in the department that made the most money. Walk a mile in the shoes of the student athletes who had nothing to do with the terrible crime. As bad as this was it was not an NCAA violation there fore the program should not be punished. The people involved are the only ones who need to be punished and as time goes on you will see more be fired and resign. But to shut down a program for the crimes of several people is just wrong!!! FYI... people here are still asking why McQueary in not fired... Yesterday he called the players on the phone and said he will no longer be their coach he is done. He has resigned. | ||
| Slaughter |
WTF is it with the outrageous importance attached to college football - other than pimping for money, and benefitting a few dozen kids it does NOTHING. (and don't try to paint it as a "jobs" program) If you tell me that some who go to get "educated" on scolarships see direct benefit and that eventually society will profit because some kid with ball skills would otherwise never go to college... well OK, but our fascination with celebrity is the ultimate obscenity - Hollywood Celebrity or sport. Look inside yourself to see what's ACTUALLY wrong with ALL these situations. Let's us ALL not give the bastards the power to continue to abuse THEIR power. (the more time that passes, the less and less I regret dumping my last TV almost 2 decades ago) | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Now..LEts play some FOOTBALL!!! I say WOW to that. As if, some stupid game is all that's important. I guess some never get past their adolescence and need to live their lives vicariously through others. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Walk a mile in the shoes of the student athletes who had nothing to do with the terrible crime. "student althlete"....There is an oxymoron. College is for learning not for throwing balls around. The only reason sports programs exist in college are because they generate revenue. It's the reason grandpa Joe was the most powerful man on campus which is a sad reflection of some f'd up priorities. Spot on slaughter (Message edited by ferris_von_bueller on November 12, 2011) | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Sports are a great learning tool... leadership, team work... self sacrifice... a lot can be learned from competition sports Just think if they offered a scholarship for motorcycle racing... How great would that be Mens football and basketball pay the way for so many other people to go to school that otherwise wouldn't be able to go... all I'm getting at.. before you start knocking someone else's sport and want it taken away... you should ask yourself what I/we get/have gotten out of racing. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
It wont be taken away. You must remember...your call for justice IS happening... but quite a few years after the fact so get off her high horse. You can't stop the world from spinning. | ||
| Gregtonn |
"Mens football and basketball pay the way for so many other people to go to school that otherwise wouldn't be able to go..." It may be true that they couldn't go to a big name expensive university. It may also be true that they would have to work rather than play sports to get through college. Which begs the question; How is having four (or more) years of your life and education paid for different different from being a professional athlete in an amateur game? If you aren't motivated enough and smart enough to pay your own way then you probably shouldn't be there in the first place. G |
