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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/did-you-know-feds- will-temporarily-cut-off-all-tv-and-radio-broadcas ts-on-nov-9/


Wonder when the. "Emergency" will happen. : |
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just as soon as they need to defend our country from an "occupation".
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Just_ziptab
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 09:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In an emergency,WHY would they want to shut down communication???? How are they going to shut off all those CB radios(base and mobile) that everybody has tucked away in the garage or attic? Ditto for ham and morris code machines. I could be on line in less than ten minutes and pick up skip land.......
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Geforce
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tests are conducted in the wee hours of the morning as to not disrupt normalcy... this smells more like a "demonstration" and not a "test".

Perhaps it's time to contact our elected officials and ask more questions about this.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In an emergency,WHY would they want to shut down communication????

It's not about shutting them down. It's about taking them over. The government will have complete control over the information being delivered.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's called crafting your message.
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Etennuly
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Must be none of you guys are over 45. We had National Defense messages on radio and TV nearly every week when I was a kid. These were during the heat of the Cold War, and were warning for nuclear defense so that the citizens had fair warning to get into a "fall out shelter".

In a time of a more pure Americanism, it was a good "team U.S.A." thing to participate in. It could well have been a matter of survival in the event of nuclear war.

This was part of an "Early Warning System" that would have probably saved countless lives if it had actually needed to be activated.

In the early sixties we did "Duck and Cover" drills in school, right along with fire drills.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The difference is that in the "old days", the control of the EBS was not surrendered to the control of the President.

Each broadcaster who legally owned the rights to the frequencies conducted the tests.

Under the new system, the switch has been moved to the President's office (or at least his delegate).

And if the broadcaster wanted to break in and air "alternative" information........
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Etennuly
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 10:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They would conduct the Federally mandated tests to make sure the old vacuum tubes were up to the task, independently, however, in the case of a real emergency National Defense would take over at the behest of the President. Same program.

Now there seems to be people looking for political motivation. I think the Homeland Security folks have found enough evidence of terrorist plots and the potential for "Dirty Bombs" that they feel a warning system is a good thing to re-activate.

Cool thing is us "Elders" in an actual emergency of this kind would know where to look and what to do if a nuclear fall out situation arrived. You folks under 45 would have to depend on some older folks telling you what to do or depend on what you saw in a movie one time. The problem for you all is that by the time you figure out what to do, all of the shelters will be full and you will be left out on the streets with your skin and hair falling off.
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Buellerandy
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 10:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Im not buying into it. First Tn allows tsa to run wide open through the state and now they want to make sure they can cut communications...
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Blk_uly
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 11:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Then the world will end because all the over 45 crowd who survived won't be able to reproduce so it'll be by by humanity LOL!
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Thumper74
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The normal guy in me wants to know why they're doing this during the day, when I usually see these very early in the morning... It seems like a demonstration of power, like a burnout on main street.

The conspiracy theorist in me finds it interesting that they are doing this the day that NASA says 2005 YU55 will be close to earth.

I wonder if anything will happen on that day, or if this is to get at the conspiracy guys.
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Geforce
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 01:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Cool thing is us "Elders" in an actual emergency of this kind would know where to look and what to do if a nuclear fall out situation arrived. You folks under 45 would have to depend on some older folks telling you what to do or depend on what you saw in a movie one time. The problem for you all is that by the time you figure out what to do, all of the shelters will be full and you will be left out on the streets with your skin and hair falling off."

Except for us "youngsters" who've been trained to operate, survive and most importantly...fight in a contaminated environment. I payed very, very close attention to all the NBC and CBRN training I received while I was in the Army. I also sit right next to the Subject Matter Experts on the stuff in my office. Most of your veterans will have enough experience with it figure things out. Either way, let's just pray it never happens..to anyone, anymore, ever again on this planet.

One of my first priorities (after we get settled in) upon exiting the Army will be procuring the proper gear to enable this training and protection for my family... just in case. And if we never use it... cool! I'll at least have a year's supply of food, ammunition and survival gear for the family on camping trips, and in the event of foul weather or a zombie plague. My wife and I like to war game "what if" scenarios all the time for fun and then talk strategy and planning. It also helps me to teach her indirectly about scenarios and survivability in a disaster. It's a great way to make a long car ride more enjoyable... Another good reference to have on hand in the event of a disaster would be a few survival manuals. Might want to have them in a paper copy just in case the EMP monster comes along. Least I can check that one off my list.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 06:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah, this will go well.

http://www.king5.com/on-tv/evening-magazine/Almost -Live-Needle-prank-goes-wrong-89737312.html
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 07:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.infowars.com/new-street-lights-to-have- homeland-security-applications/

Cameras that look through clothes.

I'm in the wrong business. Obviously the real money is in cameras and big screens so we can all watch Big Brother, 24/7.

And he can watch you.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 07:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Etennuly, I remember the old Emergency Broadcast System tests very well. Do you remember the false alert?

(from wikipedia)

quote:

False alarm of 1971

Despite these safeguards, the system was inadvertently activated at 9:33 AM EST on February 20, 1971. Teletype operator W. S. Eberhardt accidentally "played the wrong tape" during a test of the system.[3] As a result, an EBS activation message authenticated with the codeword "hatefulness" was sent through the entire system, ordering stations to cease regular programming and broadcast the alert of a national emergency. A cancellation message was sent at 9:59 AM EST; however, it used the same codeword again. A cancellation message with the correct codeword, "impish," was not sent until 10:13 AM EST.[4]

This false alarm demonstrated major flaws in the EBS. Many stations had not received the alert, but more importantly, the vast majority of those that did ignored it, or did not know what to do during an emergency.[5] While several stations went off the air, the one best remembered was WSNS-TV (Ch 44) in Chicago, which broadcast the 1971 events as they happened, a recording of which has become available from WOWO.

Numerous investigations were launched, and several changes were made to the EBS. Among them, the on-air alert announcement was streamlined, eliminating one version of the script that warned the audience of an imminent attack against the country. (The WOWO broadcast above does not contain the reference to an attack.)


I remember it happened on a Saturday morning. My Dad was off in some fairly remote location operating heavy equipment by himself. The standard tone sounded except the guy said this IS an actual alert. 2 of the local TV stations went off the air just like they were supposed to do in the event of an actual emergency and the other apparently ignored it. My Mom and I were debating what if we should go try to tell my Dad- it was pretty damn scary. We didn't know if the Soviets had launched missiles or what.

Thankfully, after an hour or so, they came on the air and announced it had been a false alert. One of those in a lifetime is enough.
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Thumper74
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 08:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wonder how long it will take for the wireless light poles to be hacked...

Although, I bet they could get it paid for by corporations since they can use the speakers to advertise and bombard us. Hell, an RFID scanner could even tailor the ads to the individual.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 08:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2010/sep/27/ad vertising-billboards-facial-recognition-japan
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Drkside79
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 09:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You guys hang out with Jesse Ventura too much.
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Crusty
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://goo.gl/8MF4S

that's just a scary looking image in the context and with the type on it
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

I wonder how long it will take for the wireless light poles to be hacked...




It is stupidly easy. At a security conference I attended earlier this year, they were discussing various aspects of security at the Vancouver Olympics, and among the things discusses was wireless cameras placed around the city and how easy they were to compromise.
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Fast1075
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Crusty...now I have an all day ear-worm : )
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Etennuly
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Early Warning System was actually to help the citizen population survive in the event of nuclear war. That in my opinion was a good thing. Compare that to say the opponents EWS. Hell they didn't even warn their citizens when Chernobol happened.

At least the US was trying to prove their citizens were not totally expendable.

Hugh I do remember the '71 incident, but only as a news story. I was out plowing snow from neighborhood driveways and sidewalks on my dad's little tractor, my parents were at work.

Now days all that has to be done to warn all of the people of the entire country at one time, that an impending problem that they can do nothing about, is to interrupt cell phone or internet signals for a short time.

But, as you all are proving even if the action is done to save YOUR life or the life of your family members you will be pissed because they had the power to interrupt your video game.

This is actually a protection that we hire our government to do. Protect us in times of war or imminent danger.

If you think they have just now found the way to interrupt your electronic lives you are way behind that curve.That power has existed since Edison and Marconi were fighting over powering with DC or AC.

Blk-uly, In the event of all out war, send your daughter for a weekend, we will see if the outcome is as bad as you think it would be. There would probably be a long list of over 45 volunteers for procreation for re-population.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That power has existed since Edison and Marconi were fighting over powering with DC or AC.

That was Edison and Westinghouse (with Tesla)! Thank goodness Westinghouse and Tesla won that argument!

(Message edited by Hughlysses on October 27, 2011)
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Etennuly
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thumper, If an EWS is practiced only when no one is listening or viewing.....what good would it be? It is like a 'fire drill' for the citizens of the entire country in case something extreme happens.

Sounds to me like most folks have forgotten that the pedestal we all sit on is made of materials that can be broken. IMHO that is when it is most venerable.

Sure we don't trust our politicians to handle this job for us.....but that is who we have hired to do it. This is why voting is so much more important than who makes for the best press blurbs. We need leaders who can command in charge, rather than thieves who can come up with the most campaign funding.
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Etennuly
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry Hugh, I did not look that up for correctness.
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Thumper74
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Etennuly, I was on the website and they're touting it as a test to ensure that the system works automatically, which could be done at anytime, late at night/early in the morning.

On the flip side, if they REALLY wanted to do it as a demonstration of power, they would do it during prime time...

I agree that there isn't much integrity in the upper echelons...
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I didn't read the article, but I'm curious to know if internet communications are included in the cutoff package...?
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Ducxl
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You mean BEGAN November,9,1965!!!
I want my cake
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