| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
* I'm working on organizing my area now. Don't forget to post video of people expressing intelligently what they at doing at your Flea Party so that we can see how normal they are. | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Good morning; I've decided to collect today's video's I found somewhat interesting, I hope you'll take a look. I'm not sure why but it seems as if most on this board are against this movement which seems odd. I would think it obvious that every citizen would want their congress to represent them without influence. Does ANYONE here feel the current corp campaign contributions are just? If so please state why? Does ANYONE here feel their congress truly represents their interests above all other outside influence? If so please state a case. And to start out on 'your' side here is an ANTI occupy protester, and a well spoken one... Here's an anti-protestor and while he's against it he admits DC is owned by WS he states he doesn't think anybody can do anything about it... and if you watch you'll see him just shake his head and state he doesn't think anybody can fix it....at the end you can see that he wants what the movement does but just has a defeatist mentality because in his life he's never seen anything changed which is what this movement is all about, changing the system... putting our representatives in our corners and not in corp pockets... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX47gle4cdY&feature =relmfu Millionaires and billionaires (less than 1% of population) control 38% of wealth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wBDmBtPtUg&feature =feedu Like it or not this movement is on it's way; http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-10-13/news/30 293944_1_tea-party-wall-street-movement-big-banks and more about fox 'news' and their parent corp working with lobbyists to help get laws passed so they can evade taxes and only pay about 15% from a $14B corp... hmmm... this is exactly what this movement is trying to prevent ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpTuu7aE7HM&feature =feedu | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Hootowl ; let me get this right, you want to prevent taxation without representation, but you want to tax corporation more, and at the same time, take away their ability to be represented? * YES, corporations are NOT people, WE are... WE are the citizens that congress represents... Are the people who pay no tax being represented without taxation? * who are these people? * churches don't pay taxes though and they should be taxed like every other corporation btw, every time i see a mega church or a 'preacher' with a rolex on TV grrrr... yea there's no money in religion... (sorry off topic) Is that fair to the people who are paying federal income tax? *is what fair? I don't follow your point? Is it fair corps can evade taxes easily by getting laws passed in their favor? (See earlier vid list) Recording police: I absolutely agree that it should be perfectly legal to videotape the police in public. There have been lawsuits, and if I remember correctly, judges have ruled both in favor of the public and against, depending on the case. It seems to me that watching the watchers is a perfectly valid notion. However, I believe the police are preventing video recordings simple because there is legal precedent that says the public doesn't have a right to film them, not to prevent a beating from being posted on youtube. I don't agree with their position though. * agreed, watching the watchers is something every citizen should do | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Hootowl The rich are already being taxed. Taxing them at confiscatory rates is stealing. There's no other word for it. * where are you getting your information? What are confiscatory rates and who is saying this? The rich simply get advantages the middle class don't and that's not a fair system. I could show you what some of these folks actually pay in taxes compared to 'us'. I'll try to find it if I get time... Allow me to summarize: "I won't allow the 50% of the population who pay no taxes to bear the burden of the other 50% who aren't paying their fair share." ** I don't follow this, please clarify... | ||
| Chauly |
"Is it fair corps can evade taxes easily by getting laws passed in their favor? (See earlier vid list) " Don't forget, SuperDave: The Corporations do not pay any taxes, either. We all do... If a corporation "evades" (minimalizes) their tax burden, they can then lower their price and gain a market advantage. They could also just make a higher profit, leading to more investment and more jobs, or barring that, pay a higher dividend to the stockholders (like union pension funds). It's all connected. Is this the system that is keeping the Little Guy down? (Message edited by Chauly on October 21, 2011) | ||
| Sifo |
Dave, You are an incredibly uninformed guy. Why do you think corporations should be excluded from political contributions? Unions have been doing this for decades. It's only become an issue now because it's been decided by the supreme court that corporations being groups of people can do this. Your earlier comments on this show that you don't have a clue what's going on though. You've shown yourself to be ignorant, bigoted, dishonest and hateful in numerous threads I've followed recently. I'm on the boycott SuperDave train at this point. Enjoy what discussion you can drum up. I won't be among them. | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Reindog quote: I support the citizens of this country to use whatever means necessary... ** I still stand behind this, it's our country... not the corporations property You believe in a patently UnAmerican idea .... ** which is what? please explain which is extraordinarily naive and repugnant. You should be ashamed of yourself and have irretrievably lost your audience. Your attitude and intransigence in both religion (I am not particulary religious BTW) and politics is really sad and I can only hope that you find a way to grow up and rescue yourself from your moral bankruptcy. * because I believe in fair government and allowing citizens to voice their complaints I'm immoral? because I'm an atheist I'm immoral? hmmm... how exactly does that work? On second thought, your statement is outright disgusting. FAIL. ** disgusting? fail? fail on what? if everybody thought like you and stayed with the status quo (SP?) we'd all still be British... we're AMERICANS and we don't take BS from unfair gov't and if gov't doesn't change WE will change the gov't AGAIN... it's OUR gov't, mine AND YOURS | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Sifo * I'm working on organizing my area now. Don't forget to post video of people expressing intelligently what they at doing at your Flea Party so that we can see how normal they are. * Flea party? it's call occupy (city name) in case you've not picked that up yet... sorry if this is too complex. * and yes I'll be posting videos as they become available and IF the people consent | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Chauly "Is it fair corps can evade taxes easily by getting laws passed in their favor? (See earlier vid list) " Don't forget, SuperDave: The Corporations do not pay any taxes, either. We all do... * um corps do pay tax, just not their fair share (again see vid list regarding fox news parent corp for an example of how they hide $) If a corporation "evades" (minimalizes) their tax burden, they can then lower their price and gain a market advantage. They could also just make a higher profit, leading to more investment and more jobs, or barring that, pay a higher dividend to the stockholders (like union pension funds). It's all connected. Is this the system that is keeping the Little Guy down? * Yes if it really worked that way... when the corps make extra money the execs just get massive bonuses, there's tons of info on the web regarding these, any one of us could live a LIFETIME on just one of their bonus checks! | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Sifo You are an incredibly uninformed guy. * on what basis can you make that statement? Why do you think corporations should be excluded from political contributions? * good grief really? that is your question? ok follow this closely; 1. corp XYZ needs land in oregon for whatever but let's say an environmental law is blocking their goal 2. XYZ seeks lobbyists who find out who the players are on the hill and hooks them up 3. XYZ donates heavily to campaigns to those who are players and agree to 'play nicely' with them 4. once elected the reps are obligated to XYZ to work to modify legislation as instructed So to summarize, corp xyz buys the congress folks it needs to accomplish their goals. This is unfair to the citizens as the actions of the reps may not be in the best interest of their constituents. are we clear on that now? Unions have been doing this for decades. * yes and I'm not in favor of that either, donations should only come from the people that they represent.... It's only become an issue now because it's been decided by the supreme court that corporations being groups of people can do this. Your earlier comments on this show that you don't have a clue what's going on though. *THAT is why the protests are calling for a constitutional amendment to make it illegal... You've shown yourself to be ignorant, * almost every time I state an opinion I cite a source, hmm how is that ignorant? bigoted * bigoted... because I'm an atheist and don't believe in your skydaddy? that's another issue... but no i'm not.... dishonest * So I'm a liar? can you prove this or is this just more of your pointless insult? and hateful in numerous threads I've followed recently. * i only really 'hate' a couple things, organized religion (NOT THE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, just the organizations) and cops... I'm on the boycott SuperDave train at this point. Enjoy what discussion you can drum up. I won't be among them. * you don't really discuss anything, you just throw out garbage like this post which offer no information or any constructive points to the debate at hand. I don't care what you do or don't do... | ||
| J2blue |
You seem very focused on what a few other people have. Nay, obsessed. I think that is known as envy. Whether it sometimes makes sense, or no sense, that some execs get big bonuses is a matter for each corporation to decide. Chances are there are many pension fund managers on the boards that are looking out for the little guy when they vote to approve such bonuses. Maybe they get it wrong sometimes. That has nothing to do with the money one earns for themselves. There will always be richer and poorer on this earth. One may as well be complaining about the color of the sky. I think King Solomon said it best: "a meaningless chasing after the wind". | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Ft_bstrd *** Can you show me where this statement is? Everything I have seen is with regard to taxing the wealthy, not stealing their stuff as I believe you infer. My statement was that the OWS folks to employ the Federal government to take from the rich and give them stuff for free. You stated that they simply wanted to tax the rich. What is the difference? ============================= *I am for fair taxation, not confiscation of someone's personal property. I think that's a big difference. If you ask me to pay a portion of my income as tax that is one thing but if you want to come take all my saving that's another and that is not what the movement is about. That's how I would see it, maybe I don't follow your comment correctly? | ||
| Reindog |
Super "By any means necessary" Dave. We saw "by any means necessary" at work in Libya yesterday. I am done with you as your anti-American attitude literally sickens me. From this point, you are trolling. Good-bye, sir. (Message edited by reindog on October 21, 2011) | ||
| Superdavetfft |
J2blue You seem very focused on what a few other people have. Nay, obsessed. I think that is known as envy. * nope just have a little time to kill and I'm trying to respond to all the questions (and insults here n there)... I still don't understand why you all seem so against this. It really is mystifying. Didn't any of you lose 401k money or a job or have a family member affected? I'm not anyone's 'enemy' as some seem to try to demonize me with the name calling. I'm just a proud American veteran trying to raise my voice and point out things I see. Whether it sometimes makes sense, or no sense, that some execs get big bonuses is a matter for each corporation to decide. .... * The bonuses comment was with regard to what does one think happens when corporations take unfair advantage and hide from taxes. While some of it may end up where it belongs you know as well as I do that the top dogs get the big checks. I think King Solomon said it best: "a meaningless chasing after the wind". * I think the American founders said it best; "Taxation without representation is tyranny " | ||
| Drkside79 |
On a side note referring to them as the Flea Party will result in me going back to calling people Teabaggers Just saying... | ||
| Sifo |
On a side note referring to them as the Flea Party will result in me going back to calling people Teabaggers Just saying... I hadn't realized the use of the term Teabagger had ended. I saw it around here just yesterday. BTW, Flea Party is far closer to describing them than Teabagger is to describing Tea Party members. Sure looks like a Flea Party to me. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Not sure about some of your loathing of Super. He is the same as many of you just the other side of the coin. Very Few of you are anywhere close to center so while i can't quote Solomon I believe that JC said something about throwing stones. No? | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Pwnzor oh there's no doubt I hate cops, all of them, every single one, no problem admitting that. OK, well you said it all right there. You hate ALL of one particular segment of society. * well admittedly there might be a couple ok ones (I shouldn't use that 'all' term) but in general I believe they uphold a corrupt system of justice but that's another topic... Hate Blacks too? How about Jews? Hispanics? * nope... one of my best buddies in Ft Lee was a black jew named Mims. Hispanics are great, some of the most hospitable folks I've ever met. One time in Pheonix, Guierrmo and his brother Jose took me out to the bars and as I bought a beer, Guierrmo politely stated 'you're our guest and to buy your own beer is a shame on us as if we were not being good hosts' I was amazed ... he said if we come to your town then you can buy with a big grin  You didn't see fit to respond to me, the one who is best suited to comment on police brutality. * I thought I did respond? Ever been beaten up by a cop? I have been beaten up by GROUPS of them, once right in front of my own mother on visiting day, right in the glass booth. * Nope.... I don't hate cops, I dislike bad cops... but they are in fact a minority. I dislike ANYBODY who behaves badly. I had plenty of time to form an opinion, in the worst possible place for it, and most of the others in there came and went with an attitude like yours. * the not liking cops attitude or is there something else you're trying to point out>? They said a lot of the things you say... * such as no taxation without representation? or...? I don't want this thread to go on a cop tangent, (my cop videos are relating to the violence at the protests specifically and only the protests) I hate MOST of em yup, said it, my opinion, done... you don't , ok your opinion... moving on... punk kids and old-timers (O.G.'s in the urban vernacular) from the streets of LA and Orange County with no education sounded JUST like you... funny, don't you think? * hmm again what did we say that was the same? | ||
| Drkside79 |
Sifo I haven't used the term out of respect. Unfortunately you only look at the world through special SIFO Glasses (now available for purchase on the fox website) Seriously now you argue many times by only showing the worst that your opposition has to offer. Yous see a group of 100s and pick out the dumbest 3 to use as an example. I'm sure you are a good man but I strongly dislike that type of strategy | ||
| Sifo |
Not sure about some of your loathing of Super. He is the same as many of you just the other side of the coin. Very Few of you are anywhere close to center so while i can't quote Solomon I believe that JC said something about throwing stones. No? I don't see anything like what he does by any other current member of BadWeb. It's possible you just haven't seen it. It's possible I haven't seen bad behavior from others. I'm simply noting it at this point from SD and am choosing to ignore him. Seems I'm not alone either. | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Drkside79 Not sure about some of your loathing of Super. * thank you, while this is obviously a touchy issue for some reason I mean NOBODY any malice whatsoever... even if some of you on here are cops I'll like ya if you have a Buell so you can't be that bad hehe He is the same as many of you just the other side of the coin. * I honestly don't see it as a coin. Well maybe in one light, citizens on one side and corps on the other. I honestly cannot understand why anyone would want congress to represent anything but US the voters. Very Few of you are anywhere close to center so while i can't quote Solomon * This is what puzzles me, yea ok hate on the protesters if you want but how can you hate the idea of proper representation? I believe that JC said something about throwing stones. No? * I'll admit I've always liked that one (*yes Blake, I do agree with SOME things out of that silly book (hopefully we can take the tension down a notch...) I'm only trying to help my country in the best way I know how and I think we have, for the first time, a real chance to change things.... and it's worth a try. Everybody always complains about gov't but hey let's DO something this time!  | ||
| Drkside79 |
Supper I don't condone you policy on police by the way. I myself dislike many of them but there are just as many if not more that do a tough job honorably and get little to no respect for it. Teachers fireman and cops are the most underpaid and undervalued members of society. That being said dirty ones in any category should be held to the fire. (Message edited by drkside79 on October 21, 2011) | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Drkside79 ... Seriously now you argue many times by only showing the worst that your opposition has to offer. Yous see a group of 100s and pick out the dumbest 3 to use as an example. * this is a big issue I'm trying to call attention to. The media outlets use that very strategy and if all you ever see is what they tell you how can you ever have an informed perspective of the events occurring? There was the jew one with oreilly showed that sign but did NOT show they other guy with the ••••••• and an arrow sign next to the jew hating guy. I apologize for the number of posts in a row. This is a very important issue to our country and to all of us I believe and I was just trying to be responsive and not take over the thread. Sifo; I'll not respond to your posts as requested... | ||
| Drkside79 |
Sifo, Thats BS ask most of the liberals on the board. We have been constantly compared to negative things as propaganda points by the "moral majority". It works BTW as most times it happens i leave the conversation as I try to avoid making Cutleresk comments. | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo I haven't used the term out of respect. Then why let my actions dictate yours. I've explained why IMO the two terms aren't equals. You can disagree if you like. I don't remember trying to make the use of "Teabagger" an issue. Use it if you like. I will point out however that "Teabagger" is far more derogatory than "Flea Party, especially considering these people are currently living in a park where you would put a flea collar on your dog. Unfortunately you only look at the world through special SIFO Glasses (now available for purchase on the fox website) Not sure what makes you say that other than preconceived notions of a conservative. I seldom cite Fox News as a source for information around here. Not sure who's looking through special glasses. Seriously now you argue many times by only showing the worst that your opposition has to offer. Yous see a group of 100s and pick out the dumbest 3 to use as an example. I'm sure you are a good man but I strongly dislike that type of strategy You may have noticed (or not) that when I was doing that I was asking for examples of clear thinking people that were explaining what their objectives were. I only remember one that was presented, and he for some reason just went on a rant about Fox News. I'm guessing that may sound coherent to you. | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Drkside79 Supper I don't condone you policy on police by the way. * it's not nice I'll admit but I'm being honest. I myself dislike many of them but there are just as many if not more that do a tough job honorably and get little to no respect for it. Teachers fireman and cops are the most underpaid and undervalued members of society. That being said dirty ones in any category should be held to the fire. * I AGREE, first if those folks were paid properly, cops included, they'd have better people doing the jobs that would be less likely to be idiots and beat people. We'd have smarter kids by paying teachers a living wage and that would pay us all back a millionfold in time. All of those folks are in a bad spot... It's as simple as this, you get what you pay for ... | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo, Thats BS ask most of the liberals on the board. We have been constantly compared to negative things as propaganda points by the "moral majority". It works BTW as most times it happens i leave the conversation as I try to avoid making Cutleresk comments. It get heated at times without a doubt. Certainly things are said from people that I agree with that I don't care for. This is a shades of gray area though and things I see from Dave go far beyond what I've seen from any others. Like I said, you may not have seen all of this. I may not have seen bad behavior from others either. My comments simply pertain to what I have seen coming from Dave. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Please click it. http://www.foxnews.com/index.html | ||
| Drkside79 |
The Sifo glasses was a joke If i have time I will go back and reread. I tried to make an argument on what they wanted if you remember correctly. Unfortunately I did not thoroughly do so and it got picked apart. | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo; I'll not respond to your posts as requested... No such request was made. Do what you like. |
