| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
"Happy Clappers"... Conjures an image of sailors leaving port satisfied, not yet symptomatic. Thoughtful debate can stretch the mind and reinforce truth. Okay, so you may have a point. Enjoy the Aussie Spring, not to be confused with the Arab Spring, or the valve spring. Finally cooling off here in Kilgore, and with 1.5" of rain last weekend, we're really enjoying the Texas Autumn, Darrell especially. | ||
| Sifo |
I was productive during that time. I tore out a bees nest from inside the wall where they had eaten through the dry wall. New insulation, new section of drywall, taped it, primed it, and got it painted. There's plenty of time waiting for materials to dry.  | ||
| Aesquire |
I still don't think ID is Science. ( hard, virile, actual Science, not limp, impotent social "science" ) I'm not claiming not to believe in a Creator, ( or Creators... really, you think a Camel wasn't designed by a committee? ) And... I'm all about the awe of the worlds around me, where IMO any fool can see it didn't "just happen". It's still Creationism with a new coat of paint. Conclusions are still buttressed with observations, and without actually getting an interview with the Creator(s), I see no way for ID to be more than a nifty concept. You Certainly are not going to make a better telescope/electric motor/lager using ID? Are you? As far as the videos, misrepresentations on both sides, and emotional investment in evolution or Holy Plan.... have fun. I'll just be Heathing away......  (Message edited by aesquire on September 27, 2011) | ||
| Kenm123t |
AES you have to know God has a sense of Humour walk through a Walmart. Dave you have a bunch of those funny critters kiwis roos platypus Koalas and the truly Weird Brits | ||
| Slaughter |
Because she is black, most folks think God can't have a sense of humor. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Slaughter remember Dogma? sooooo bad on sooo many levels but hilarious | ||
| Blake |
>>> You Certainly are not going to make a better telescope/electric motor/lager using ID? Are you? Bwahahahaha! | ||
| Slaughter |
I work in engineering. I can appreciate UNintelligent Design. | ||
| Blake |
The idea that some things are designed and created isn't science? That hard scientific evidence of elegant design and the implausibility of purely natural mechanisms causing the universe and life isn't science? On on hand blind faith is placed in science to someday prove naturalism/evolutionism/abiogenesis. On the other a rational, plausible observation and recognition of design. If science identifies such a design marker, Dawkins says aliens did it. Before science showed that the universe and time itself did indeed have a beginning, the atheist-science claimed that the universe must eternal and cycling between expansion and collapse. When that was shown false by the discovery that the rate of expansion is increasing, atheist science invented another theory, the multiverses. But logically that too fails. The designer must be astounded by the arrogance and blindness. That a priest correctly theorized the big bang was no accident I think. His mind was wide open to the science and informed by solid philosophy. | ||
| Sifo |
I think God evolved then created the universe.  | ||
| Aesquire |
That a priest correctly theorized the big bang was no accident I think. His mind was wide open to the science and informed by solid philosophy. Thaaatt's what I'm talking about! I suppose I break it down to How, and Why. How uses math. ( and little pictures, at my level of grasping... ) Why uses soul. Never said you can't or shouldn't use both. There is a reason that at different times great thought & progress comes out of a "church". Example, in medieval Europe, the monasteries were the vestiges and centers of learning. A great deal of modern everything came from that Crucible. Slaughter, I thought Alanis Morissette was near perfect in the role. | ||
| Gregtonn |
"If science identifies such a design marker, Dawkins says aliens did it." Don't know a thing about this Dawkins character and I'm not sure I care to, but since the concept God seems alien to him maybe an alien did indeed do it. "There is a reason that at different times great thought & progress comes out of a "church"." True, on the other hand there were times when progress was set back. The destruction of the Mayan codices comes to mind. There are other examples. G | ||
| Tankhead |
Good morning, Sifo, unfortunately I won't respond to your blatant admission that you did not read or comprehend what you read (yet again) to whether or not the author viewed the video. Go back and read the two paragraphs where he describes that specifically. One can only argue a point if they have honestly invested the time to know what they are arguing against. Blake, The Master Baiter, Dawkins now believes in Aliens. HONESTLY? I hope you type with gloves on because that is a bunch of horse shit. Honesty?? Haha Here is your daily dose of humor. Why Dawkins will not debate creationists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVuEwrqUyyc&feature =related and another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9DLcTfYBcQ&feature=related Now I know some of you will spend the next few days posting rigorously about what when how why. Please don't. You would be wasting your time. Happy clappers and heathens can I get an AMEN. And this concludes this ridiculous ?debate? (Message edited by tankhead on September 28, 2011) | ||
| Sifo |
Tankhead, I did read it. Frankly Meyer covers the same material far better. Dawkins offered nothing new that I haven't seen before, he just does so poorly. The bottom line is that examples of evolution producing longer DNA strands are not known. Also a mechanism for making this happen is not known. The short answer to the question about providing an example of evolution resulting in an increase in the information in the genome is that we don't have one. Keep in mind that I'm open to the idea of evolution. I don't see any conflict between my personal spiritual beliefs and evolution. I'm just as offended by those who claim the earth is only 4,000 year old as I am Dawkins. Both are equally closed minded. Neither are following what the science is telling us either. They are both simply making claims of fact to support their faiths where the evidence just isn't there. Science may very well one day prove what Dawkins believes to be true. Two things that won't change at that time is my faith in God, and the fact that Dawkins is a douche canoe. | ||
| Blake |
>>> Dawkins now believes in Aliens. No. You no read good. Try again. Honesty matters. Get some. Seriously. | ||
| Blake |
Imagine the world absent all the church sponsored universities and hospitals. | ||
| Slaughter |
Danielle Hebert - Feel So Alien: | ||
| Blake |
Debate is only ridiculous when participants cease thoughtful honest discussion of ideas and evidence turning instead to foolishness, personal attack, and outright dishonesty. Darwinism ==> Eugenics ==> Nazziism ==> Mass Murder, Global War, Slavery, Genocide, 50,000,000 killed. Darwinism ==> Atheism ==> Communism ==> Suffering, Mass Murder, War, Genocide, 100,000,000 killed Darwinism ==> Eugenics ==> "Planned Parenthood" ==> Murder of Unborn Babies, 50,000,000+ murdered Naturalism/Evolutiomism is false. DNA proves it. The structure of the cell proves it. The finite existence of the universe and time itself proves it. So then, where does that leave us? A song is nice.  | ||
| Aesquire |
Blake, your figures on Communist are off by nearly an order of magnitude. http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM The only problem with Eugenics is the people who ran it. If I was allowed to breed the species, it would be just fine....  ( sarcasm alert ) Don't quite agree with you that evolution is all wrong. As an explanation for the origin of life? Not so useful. I rate it, as a science, way below the new-ish biochemistry of DNA/enzymes, and well above psychiatry. On a par with ID as a philosophical exercise more than reproducible physical science? | ||
| Ducxl |
So,Blake's post leave's me with the age old question. "If God didn't exist,would we have to create one to survive as a civilization? | ||
| Blake |
Patrick, Where did I assert that evolution is all wrong? Thought I'd been careful to avoid that. | ||
| Blake |
Duc, It wouldn't matter, but I see your point. I'd ask in return, why would it matter if Nazziism ruled? If no god, then no grounded basis for objective moral values or moral duties. No good oe evil. | ||
| Ducxl |
Hmmm...Maybe,absolute power corrupts absolutely? We humans make poor gods..godlike Hitler,Stalin,Mao,Kim Jung Ill.... | ||
| Blake |
You should write that down; it sounds incredibly profound. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
If Christianity is bad and the lack of Christianity is good, where in history or on the planet has a society been made incrementally better by the removal of Christianity? Seems one could demonstrate demonstrable improvement the less Christianity is present. | ||
| Blake |
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights... What is the atheist or agnostic version of the above? What justification other than our Creator, do we have for claiming any such rights? | ||
| Phelan |
What justification do we even have to claim knowledge of good and evil, unless we were not told? And who told the people who told us? In the end it comes down to 1, I believe (or 3 actually, collectively as 1). We were not only told what is Good and evil, but taught how to distinguish between the two in gray areas. If it is selfish, it is evil, for good is of love and evil is of lack of love, and love is a commitment, not a feeling. And it is as invisible and oblivious to someone not seeking it as the God I follow and serve is to them. If we seek something, is it evil? Not necessarily. But if it hurts someone in the process, then yes it is. We all have bills, right? We are all endebted to the people who own what we use. If we blow off a bill to buy a new toy, we are not showing love to the person who is in a position of authority over us. We were not designed to be leaders, but followers. Children. How do children show their love to their Father? Through submission to his will, and obedience. Completely off topic and rambled together, but there's something in there I was supposed to post. In regards to the Dawkins interview, I can agree that the question was a good question to ask, but the interview should not have been conducted. She was hiding her biased belief, which itself is a form of deception and will gain her nothing from this interview. To trick any man in any way is a selfish and therefor evil thing to do, and shows no compassion, consideration, or care for the man's well-being, and in this case, his soul. We don't fight darkness with darkness but fight darkness with love. It is through grace and compassion that sinners are saved and willfully turn away from evil and seek to do good. We are all imperfect but we should seek perfection in love, so that we may receive life in it's fullness. Does Dawkin's talking affect my beliefs? Absolutely not! Through my testimony the truth of God is self-evident to me. By sharing my testimony I speak of absolute truth that cannot be argued. It can only be accepted or denied. Do I hate the evil lies he is spreading? Absolutely! But I will not resort to evil to attempt to trump evil. He may whole-heartfelt believe what he's saying, but he is blinded by darkness. Anyone in darkness is simply ignorant of the truth of life, and the path to get there. It is not their fault, for we are all born into it. But I will not help them by condemning their movements in the darkness. I will only help them by shining light on the path of good. If all things good are of love, how can I show love through deceit? How can I show love through rebellion? Until a person believes I am submitted to their well-being, I cannot influence them in any way. (Message edited by Phelan on September 30, 2011) | ||
| Phelan |
BTW, I am a Christian, and though I may not be known to be open-minded, I hope I am remembered as being open-hearted. | ||
| Blake |
Beautifully expressed. I need to hear that kind of testimony more often. | ||
| Superdavetfft |
this is still going I see... wow... anyway i did see one interesting point; Ft; "Seems one could demonstrate demonstrable improvement the less Christianity is present." Quite true, look at the European nations that have very low religious influence upon them. Their kids are better educated, etc etc. If you disagree just do some homework, the stats are widely available. Better education = less the 'need' for religion, less religion = the more freely clear and concise knowledge can be dispersed without being hindered by idiots spouting nonsense that the Earth is 6,000 yrs old etc. Have a good weekend! May god be less! (*borrowed from coughlan000/youtube) |
