| Author | Message | ||
     Seanp |
Luckily we don't have any sections about that other horrible abomination that Erik hates so much: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDsu93esQMc | ||
| Blake |
Jerry, Your take on the situation reminds me of the fictional question, "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?" The best thing that could have happened for John McCain was to be released from N. Vietnamese prison. When that happened, it in no way excused the reprehensible treatment he received there. Erik wasn't cut loose by H-D to pursue his dream. He escaped. There's little credit due anyone at H-D for that. | ||
| Ducxl |
Uh, can I quote you on that?? Sorry i can't back it up.We all heard it here from a trusted source tho. That was still enough for me. Did i mention i like both my Buells' as close to BONE stock as possible? The only suitable mods were Penske suspension on the X1 and (after that Chinese levers thread) i HAD to have a pair of CRGs' for the XB | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Erik wasn't cut loose by H-D to pursue his dream. He escaped. There's little credit due anyone at H-D for that. Blake, please show me where I've given H-D any "credit" for shuttering Buell. Agree, Erik escaped. And it's been a very good thing for him, at least from the perspective of allowing him to finally build what he wants instead of what he's told. No? | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"He escaped" Nah, he didnt. | ||
| Buellifer |
I think any air cooled Buell owner should have the right to mutantnize their bike with no bashing. You don't like it don't look at it. It is 50% Harley. Beside Erik was going down a road I believe the air cooled was going to be fazed out anyway. I'm still waiting to see a mutant in the eyes of what an Erik Buell cruiser would look like. Wait what am I saying Buell had a cruiser and he crushed it!!! LOL I myself would not mutant my Buell. | ||
| Pammy |
You guys realize that you are all up in arms about making a bike into something different than it was meant to be....i.e. sportbike into chopper...The bike that started out using parts off of another type bike (cruiser)to build the afore mentioned sportbike... You know the old time Harley folks named the Buell the "Plastic" Sportster? Can you imagine why? 99% of my business is Harley based. I come on this site and see the Harley bashing and it pisses me off as much as the Buell bashing ever did. Hell I remember when my brothers, friends and I used to bastardize bicycles, mini bikes, dirt bikes, VW's and all modes of dangerous, yet fun, transpo. Sometimes we did it (and do it) because it was a necessity. Sometimes just to see if it could be done. To bash and belittle someone because of this is downright close minded and petty. The world is a mighty big place and there is room for all...Do you also get as riled up when you go into a restaurant and see hamburgers on the menu when you only like sphagetti? Or do you just order what you like and enjoy the meal? That being said, this is Blake's house. If he wants to dictate who his house guests are and how much freedom they enjoy, it's absolutely, 100%, his prerogative. You may not like it, you don't have to participate, but lets be civil while we are in Blake's house. I respect alot of folks I don't agree with. I agree with alot of folks that I have not one shred of respect. Funny world, this is. There is more than one color, taste, smell, (gasp) idea and opinion. It's a smorgasbord! ENJOY! edited on account of my inability to think and type at the same time. (Message edited by pammy on August 30, 2011) | ||
| Buellifer |
Pammy you are correct. I read the BadWeb rules when i joined and a lot of people do not follow them. I'm not calling anyone out, but here are the rules most violated by many members. I will not post profane or vulgar language, nor will I engage in personal attacks nor in malicious derision in any form of other users of the board. I agree to treat with respect and courtesy all members of this online Buell enthusiasts' community. I agree to treat others as I would hope to be treated myself (be excellent to each other); I will only post commentary with a respectful demeanor just as if I am speaking face to face. I'm guilty of the profanity. But nothing worse than the #2 word. I was recently disrespected but I have broad shoulders. when someone does I will reply and call them out. However I will be a bigger person and do it with "RESPECT". Two wrongs never make a right. | ||
| Blake |
Jerry, >>> Blake, please show me where I've given H-D any "credit" for shuttering Buell. When you wrote that "the best thing that could have happened to Erik...........did happen. He got set free" sounded to me like you were attributing Erik's freedom to H-D setting him free. >>> Agree, Erik escaped. Cool.  >>> And it's been a very good thing for him, at least from the perspective of allowing him to finally build what he wants instead of what he's told. No? It would have been infinitely better in my view if H-D had sold BMC to him or others, allowed BMC to retain IP rights to all the BMC technology, the right to use the Buell name and the name of the company, and continued to sell power-trains wholesale as the new BMC liked. An amicable separation rather than a vendetta of mass destruction. Like I said earlier, what you are arguing is akin to asking "other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?" Time will tell. If Erik Buell Racing is able to succeed and gain significant market share and stay in business, I may agree with you. But unfortunately, that is not a forgone conclusion; I do of course remain optimistic. | ||
| 86129squids |
Erik was defenestrated.  | ||
| Blake |
I agree with Pammy. I just don't care to have a topic here for choppers, that's all. I won't attack anyone for building one out of whatever parts he or she may see fit. I might even compliment the good ones. I'm expecting Eric to produce a killer street rod.  | ||
| Jb2 |
Which Eric(k) is that?  | ||
| Mtjm2 |
Pammy , I dont go to A hamburger joint eat Italian . Theres plenty of HARLEYS to chop ! Save the BUELLS !! | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Jerry, >>> Blake, please show me where I've given H-D any "credit" for shuttering Buell. When you wrote that "the best thing that could have happened to Erik...........did happen. He got set free" sounded to me like you were attributing Erik's freedom to H-D setting him free. Blake, that's quite a stretch. Here's a snippet from my second post on this thread, my first comment related to Erik's separation from H-D:
When I wrote that it didn't sound to me like I cheer-leading H-D (I know how much you abhor that), and in the cold light of retrospection I'm still of the same view. I'll grant you, however, that my subsequent "set free" comment could've been better worded. I'm optimistic, too. Erik has, in the short time that he's been, um, free, received several major accolades by the moto-press for his accomplishments as Erik Buell Racing. For better or worse, Erik would not be where he is today if he were still laboring under the Mo-Co's thumb; wishing for all the things H-D could have done doesn't change the reality of what has been done. So, from my perspective, it looks like Mr. Buell is now in a very good place, indeed. FB | ||
| Blake |
JB, This Eric. Jerry, I'm not wishing, just lending my perspective. Yes, the "set him free" part was the crux of what bothered me. You know me, very picky about wording. What H-D did to Erik was a lot closer to trying to destroy him than to set him free. The miserable ones just underestimated the man. Miserable ones tend to do that. | ||
| S1eric |
The miserable ones just underestimated the man. Its quite possible they knew his capabilities and didn`t want to be over shadowed. the miserable ones in the corporate world rarely have talent of their own. Hard to tell someones motives. On another note I still have my 97S1. Purchased used from a Buell friendly (to this day) dealership. The S1 still puts a grin on my face every time I go for a ride. Thanks E.B S1Eric | ||
| S1eric |
OH I forgot. HI PAMMY. S1Eric | ||
| Mtjm2 |
After watching Indy this weekend I can see how HARLEY has MUTATED ! OH !!!! that and the FAT guy riding down the road on his Dresser . His belly covering most the tank . | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
What [three guys at] H-D did to Erik was a lot closer to trying to destroy him than to set him free. There, fixed it for you. Your vendetta, near as I can tell, is towards three specific people at H-D (Keith Wandell and two "mystery" men), not "H-D." Right? And yet the entire Harley-Davidson community seems to have been painted with the same brush. You've stated that H-D cheer-leading irritates you. I find the blanket condemnation of the entirety of Harley-Davidson irritating (see the post above this one for just the tip of the smack-talking iceberg). I also note that "Critical Mass" has not been re-named Critical Mass. Nuke the thread, buddy. Park it out of sight in the BBS archives as a science experiment gone awry. It's an embarrassment to the board (and to me) in it's present condition. Funny deal. I ride a LOT. And everywhere I go, I see motorcyclists getting along, regardless of the brand of bike. Denise and I attended a POW/MIA flag raising sponsored by Rolling Thunder here on the Parkway a couple weeks ago. Many of the folks in attendance rode in on machines other than Harley-Davidsons. The principals of the ride, in fact, were on Hondas. One of the players came with his wife on a Virago, and another player parked next to my Road King with his Kawasaki. And yet..........no one cared what anyone else was riding. It just didn't matter. I was at the Shady Valley store, a popular hangout for motorcyclists, a couple of weeks ago. The place was packed, and there were motorcycles from just about every country that makes 'em. There were even a couple of Buells. Everyone got along, and no one smack-talked anybody else for what they rode in on. I ride the Parkway a lot. I've been behind many Harley riders over the years, folks I don't know, and nine times out of ten they wave to oncoming riders, regardless of the ride. I've ridden with Lou "Mystic" Usher several times. You'd be hard-pressed to find a more prototypical Harley rider. Y'know what? He waves to other riders, ricer, Buell, or otherwise. Sadly, these days the worst moto-bigotry I see in the motorcycling community is here on BadWeB. That's a damn shame. FB | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Jerry is dropping knowledge. I really enjoyed that entire post, bravo | ||
| Blake |
Recognizing the poor behavior of others does not constitute a "vendetta." Nor does stating opinion. I have no idea where you are coming up with the idea that BadWeB displays bigotry towards folks for the type of motorcycle they ride. I like you care not a wit what someone rides. I don't like the corporation, and no, it sure as heck wasn't just three. It was the entire board of directors, those who failed to speak up against the miserableness. It took more than three to sabotage Buell. A vendetta happens when people engage in malevolent action, you know like trying to belittle and smear the reputations of good men. You seem focused like a laser on the H-D topic here and its name, which you coined. But bro, it wasn't your doing alone that compelled its creation here. Plenty of others at the time and actually for some time before including Pammy and RT compelled the creation of that new topic. It was more of a nod to a number of our sponsors than anything. I just cannot help support the corporation that behaved so outrageously towards people I consider friends. That's just me. I won't look down or condemn those who ride their bikes or earn a living selling or building them, all the good folks. I just can't stomach being a part of it. Not yet anyway. Put someone like Paul James in the CEO spot and they'd get me back in a hearbeat. Put the owner of Latus on the board of directors in place of the fashion lady. Get rid of all non-moto enthusiasts from the board. The goofed up business model and REALLY queer pre-occupation with marketing a contrived image really turns me off regardless.
Truthfully, I'd be embarrassed to ride a bike marketed with such nonsense. | ||
| Blake |
>>> I find the blanket condemnation of the entirety of Harley-Davidson irritating I've seen no such condemnation and have stated the exact opposite multiple times. >>> (see the post above this one for just the tip of the smack-talking iceberg). Ignorant is as ignorant posts. Yet, to single that out while ignoring all similar such remarks concerning "squids", latté sipping BMW riders, what have you... this is the internet you understand. Side note: By far the most moto brand bigotry I've personally experienced was among Harley riders badmouthing "crotch rockets" and "ricers". We even had a few folks here who were compelled to cover their Buell motorcycle with H-D logos apparently in order to make it acceptable to them. That's just bizarre. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Blake, you say things like " I won't look down or condemn those who ride their bikes" but it seems you forget all of the times you get on my case, for example, for being a 'HD Cheerleader' and you have said many bad things about the people who ride them/make them etc "I have no idea where you are coming up with the idea that BadWeB displays bigotry towards folks for the type of motorcycle they ride" The statement by Jerry isnt fabricated, we've all witnessed these things on this board, especially over the past 18 months. "Get rid of all non-moto enthusiasts from the board." This I agree with. I like the idea of having business saavy people in charge, but they also need to understand the market. When you have a CEO for the largest motorcycle company in the world and he doesnt even have a MC license....that doesnt sound right at all. "I'd be embarrassed to ride a bike marketed with such nonsense." Again, I agree, it sounds silly to me too. But they arent the only ones with embarrassing marketing. If I recall correctly Buell had an ad a few years back about not waving to other riders, it came off kind of prick-ish. But i still rode my Buells with head held high, Im sure a lot of the HD riders are the same. You dont have to agree with the marketing to enjoy the bike I like how civil this thread is, bravo Blake | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
I have no idea where you are coming up with the idea that BadWeB displays bigotry towards folks for the type of motorcycle they ride. That's funny, amigo. The bigotry is pretty much directed at Harley riders. You seem focused like a laser on the H-D topic here and its name, which you coined. But bro, it wasn't your doing alone that compelled its creation here. Plenty of others at the time and actually for some time before including Pammy and RT compelled the creation of that new topic. It was more of a nod to a number of our sponsors than anything. Nope, not me alone, but it was my gentle persistence over the years that finally brought that forum to life. No biggie. RIP. Truthfully, I'd be embarrassed to ride a bike marketed with such nonsense. Yeah, me too. Doesn't seem to keep people from riding a Victory, tho: All y'all, please meet the real deal, KevinX:  Bad dude (you can plainly tell by the crossed arms, dark shades, just the right amount (and style) of facial hair, sleeveless t-shirt, engineer boots and dirty blue jeans) and a mighty righteous Vic, slathered with every chrome gee-gaw in the Victory catalog (but it's ok, because they have a truly bitchin' name for all their fu-fu shiny stuff: "Kewlmetal"). Ya can't see it in the pic, but Kev's got a ponytail, too. I think it's real... I'm bettin' ol' Kev looks way-bad motorin' down the road with his feet propped up on them highway pegs. And for the crowning touch, his Vic features a blatant rip-off of Harley's iconic batwing fairing. Like, kewl! And oh, Kevin's into tats, too - gotta have just the right amount of inky flare to walk the walk, doncha know. Hey, if YOU would like to be a Koolaid-drinkin' bad dude who thinks taking a crap on a Harley-Davidson seat and making "BRUPBRUPBRUP" sounds would make for a hilarious (and socially relevant) cartoon show, but can't afford the coin for a drippin'-with-'tude motersickle all yer own, you could always start here:  Yep, for a measly twenty bucks you, too, can start your journey toward righteousness. Says Victory: "Pirates, scallywags, outlaws – and avid Victory riders – will love this shirt. It’s a 100% cotton black tee with a big, bold and brash skull and crossbones graphic filling the front along with “VICTORY MOTORCYCLES.” Sorry JB2, this stuff is too good not to dredge up again for a re-post. No disrespect meant. FB | ||
| Guell |
I like some of the mutant builds, most I do not. Everyone should ride what they want to, not up to anyone else what I ride. That said I just don't see a mutant thread having much traffic. Not many people here have one, and most are custom, so its not like any tube frame or xb knowledge will help too much. It's a craddle frame, most questions could be answered on a Harley forum. There are far better avenues for a mutant owner than a buell forum. This place is mostly sportbikes, if a cruiser/mutant thread comes up that's cool, but I don't feel like a whole sub forum is needed for it | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Ignorant is as ignorant posts. Yet, to single that out while ignoring all similar such remarks concerning "squids", latté sipping BMW riders, what have you... this is the internet you understand. Yep, I understand. I "singled out" that post because it was so easy, and helped make my point. You want more, there's plenty here on the board to be found. By far the most moto brand bigotry I've personally experienced was among Harley riders badmouthing "crotch rockets" and "ricers". I guess our votes cancel each other out, eh? I think you need to get out more, amigo. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
 Gasp, a Kawasaki AND a Suzuki (Intruder, go figure) parked between two almighty-righteous Harley-Davidsons? Oh, the shame! | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
 What, the flag-bearer for Rolling Thunder rides a....gulp....geez, I can barely say it.......GOLD WING?!? | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
 Crap, they even let the "V" word attend the flag-raising. (Damn nice ride, by the way.) | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
 This poor soul had to put one of them bitchin' mohawk thingies on his helmet to try to fit in. Next time I see him I'm betting it'll be covered in MoCo stickers... |
