| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
Years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalised youngsters Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/ UK-riots-2011-Liberal-dogma-spawned-generation-bru talised-youths.html#ixzz1UfVlrYO1 Agree or disagree? I so agree. | ||
| Reindog |
Ken Livingston, the ex-mayor of London, disagrees. He blamed the current looting on the British government. Too busy right now to provide a source. Ken sounds like one of our distinguished Liberal politicians. It is coming here, folks. | ||
| Kyrocket |
It's already here, I work with them every day. They have no sense of pride, take whatever you'll give them and come back with their hand out for more. They'll lie, cheat and steal and think nothing of it. They don't want a better life, they're content to live in the basement of an outhouse. They know every way possible to get labeled as disabled and then work for cash or steal. Yes they are here and they live, substandardly, among us. I agree whole heartedly. | ||
| Blake |
Just as Cloward-Piven wanted. | ||
| Gunut75 |
I live in the middle of nowhere for a reason.  I work with a couple young fellas: In their 20s. They happen to understand the value of the work they do. Thats the only reason they still work there. I have met and worked with my fair share of the dip$hit side of the generation also. Kinda sad. Try to instill your own values in them, and sometimes ya may get through, sometimes not. (Message edited by gunut75 on August 10, 2011) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
In a van down by the river  | ||
| Bartimus |
I STRONGLY agree!!! | ||
| Moxnix |
It is hardly surprising that we should see a bit of tension forming around the edges of crumbling western economies; a few tears at the social fabric of the once-mighty western nations. Already we've seen protests and riots in Europe's peripheral countries, the Club Med economies of Greece, Italy, Spain and the like. Now it appears to have spread to England, too. East End district of Hackney, traditionally a home to the very poor and refugees starting with the DPs (displaced persons) of WW2, now a newly gentrified part of London, the kind of place where you see Maybachs and Maseratis parked out front of shabby looking buildings with gourmet cafes and boutique clothing stores inside. It's the new "it" area, the place where the cool, edgy kids hang. Well, so I'm told. The clash of money & lack of it, education and lack of same, haves moving in and illiterate have nots not getting paid enough on the dole to run with the new crowd. Social media comments express shock and amazement that a place like London -- so civilized, so "first world" -- could descend into such chaos. But this is no chance event. England is a socialist state, like most mature, aging western nations. It is a toad in search of a tire...a "bug in search of a windshield," as John Mauldin puts it. As such, it is a breeding ground for ne're-do-wells, grifters, layabouts, leeches, social parasites and welfare recipients of all stripes. These individuals, guided by the blinding force of mob mentality, are simply doing what the state conditioned them to do: They are trying to get something for nothing. They are the violent sons begat of a violent institution. And they're giving anarchists a bad name. Flash mobs robbing stores in Philly and elsewhere, black mobs attacking white folk at a state fair in Wisconsin, and, I note, the economy not improving across our country. When white gentry Democrats turn on Obama in hopes of holding the Senate, our domestic strain of welfare-state born and bred crazed nihilists will be emulating those East End mobs right in our own cities. | ||
| Whatever |
It isn't political. British cops carry batons. Give them all tasers and guns. Problem solved. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Give the property owners guns. Problem solved. | ||
| Glitch |
Years of liberal That's what it ought to read as far as I'm concerned. Parenting failure. My boys ain't like that, I raised them better. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Parenting is kind of dirty word as it may imply a two parent household. Surely troubled youth suffer from lack of funding by greedy corporations. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
British cops carry batons. Give them all tasers and guns. Problem solved." Charlotte needs to be in politics. AGREED! Give them reason (fear) not to do this dumb crap. I started another thread, hadnt seen this one. Sorry for reposting about the events | ||
| Moxnix |
The riots "supposedly" started after some chap riding in a minicab was having a shootout with the bobbies. Those guys on gang unit duty have guns. Coming to a city near you . . . . | ||
| Ulyranger |
Heck, we get riots when the local pro sports team loses a championship.......or wins sometimes. The two drunk English chics on camera say all that needs to be said...... Yup, this stuff is heading here, seeds have already sprouted. We've got talking heads, some elected politicians no less practically endorsing it. "never let a good crisis go to waste..." | ||
| Blake |
Char, Ann agrees with you! http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45446 Glitch, It's the parents who were influenced by liberal dogma. ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) | ||
| Trojan |
East End district of Hackney, traditionally a home to the very poor and refugees starting with the DPs (displaced persons) of WW2, now a newly gentrified part of London, the kind of place where you see Maybachs and Maseratis parked out front of shabby looking buildings with gourmet cafes and boutique clothing stores inside. It's the new "it" area, the place where the cool, edgy kids hang. Well, so I'm told. You obviously haven't been to Hackney recently have you  Hackney is a poverty sticken area of London as it has always been since well before WWII. Immigrants have moved into and populated the East End of London since the mid 1500's with Huegenots, Jews, Irish, Bangladeshi and other nationalities making up the majority at one time or another. England is a socialist state, like most mature, aging western nations. No it is not. It has social medicine and welfare bit that does not make it a socialist state at all. In fact we currently have a Conservative led coalition government that is certainly right of centre politically. The cause of these riots has nothing to do with anyone being shot by police, nor anything to do with poverty, welfare cuts are anything other than greed and feral uneducated sh*tbags. These 'poor' areas of London and elsewhere have had millions spent on them over the last 20 years yet are still being smashed up, robbed and looted by the people that live there. I agree with Blake that we have 'a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalised youngsters' but don't necessarily agree that liberal dogma is responsible any more than violent video games or broken homes. The riots "supposedly" started after some chap riding in a minicab was having a shootout with the bobbies. Those guys on gang unit duty have guns. No shootout involved. The guy was the subject of an ongoing covert operation against gun crime in London. When they tried to stop the cab he was travelling in he pulled a gun so they shot him. Can't see what the fuss is about really. All those who think of UK police officers as the traditional unarmed 'Bobby' would be very surprised by the numebrs of armed officers patrolling the streets here every day. | ||
| Trojan |
Ken Livingston, the ex-mayor of London, disagrees. He blamed the current looting on the British government. Too busy right now to provide a source. Ken sounds like one of our distinguished Liberal politicians. Ken Livingston is a member of the loony left and the worst leader London has ever had. When he ran Brent council and later the GLC in the 1970's it was the socialist left gone mad. The legacy of his policies are probably more to blame for the current mess than anyone elses! | ||
| Cityxslicker |
"uneducated".... um not necessarily both Washington state and Oregon have dedicated university certification and classes in 'civil disobedience', eco-protection, and dissident tactics. I will have to check, but I think Evergreen even has a degree program for it. we call them locally ' Tree hugger U' shades of WTO - good times. | ||
| Trojan |
"uneducated".... um not necessarily You are probably right. The first offenders have started to appear in court yesterday and these included a 31 year old primary school teacher, an army recruit and university graduates/students. Seems some people of a certain age are easily infuenced by mob mentality  | ||
| Britchri10 |
Trojan: Hackney is not that poor! (However, I did used to live in Bow...LOL) Chris C | ||
| Trojan |
Hackney in general is one of the poorest boroughs in England and certainly one of the 3 poorest in London. It does of course have small areas of relative prosperity (mainly where it butts up against more prosperous boroughs and there has been some overflow). The areas around the City boundary are not too bad, but there are parts of Hackney that I would certainly not want to be wandering around Some of the surrounding areas such as Stoke Newington and Tottenham are pretty horrible too, so I'm not just picking on Hackney Bow is actually coming 'up market' now that people want to live closer to the City and work. The old Spitalfields market area was derelict when I lived in Bishopsgate, but now is pretty desirable 'warehouse' apartments. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Mature and Europe in the same breath! Europe has been a cesspool for the last 1000 years. A source of great evil loose on the world. Where were Marx and Engles from ? OH and the wacko Cecil Rhodes and the Fabian Society! Its a wonder Churchill put up with Britain. | ||
| Trojan |
Europe has been a cesspool for the last 1000 years. A source of great evil loose on the world. Yeah right. It has also been the source of 99% of the US population over the last 200 years, so what does that tell you? | ||
| Kenm123t |
Some of the Folks had the sense to GET OUT! | ||
| Britchri10 |
Trojan: I was living in Tower Hamlets in the early '80's. I'm one of the Euro's who "got out". I've been here 22 years & I know that I will never be moving back. I have lived throughout Europe in my time & I prefer to stay where I am now. | ||
| Trojan |
You could also argue that some had the sense to remain Either way, I don't think European, US or any other society has a monopoly on stupid people. Every so often the news reminds us that we are not as civilised as we would like to think we are. | ||
| Britchri10 |
I couldn't agree more, stupidity knows no national boundaries. Leaving or staying is a personal choice. My wife & me made ours & we do not regret it. Chris C | ||
| Trojan |
Leaving or staying is a personal choice. My wife & me made ours & we do not regret it. I must admit that we looked at leaving a few years ago and if I could have got a job in the US/Canada/Australia at the time I think we would have gone. Now that our kids have grown up and we have grandchildren the wrench would be too great. However now I have chilled a bit more I find England a very nice place to be (we do live in the far north of England though, so nowhere near London!). The weather is never too cold or too hot, nobody gets shot (or not very often) and I can walk the streest without fear of getting mugged. 20 minutes to the coast, one hour to Scotland and 40 minutes to the lake district. Good beer, good TV and a decent cup of tea What more could you want (Message edited by trojan on August 11, 2011) | ||
| Ulyranger |
Trojan, you are so, so right. We have many of the same S-bags right here over the pond. Fact is in shear numbers, we have much more. It'll just take the right fuse to set it off. It never fails to amaze me how these idiots destroy their own neighborhoods and communities. The "feral human" statement could not have been more correct. |
