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Bandm
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 09:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like how Erik thinks, melting down and recasting engine cases. Is this so they could use conventional non-forked rods? Did they really have to melt cases or did they use virgin metal? Was this more of an issue than displacement?

Good article on the state of racing with a few Buell mentions.

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=4 5349
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Ducbsa
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Excellence in rulebook reading!
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Hughlysses
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 05:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm pretty sure the XBRR still used knife and fork rods (which led to the crank & oiling arrangement in the 2008-up XB's). The reason a "re-cast" crankcase was needed was to accommodate the huge bore of the XBRR cylinders. There simply wasn't enough meat in the stock cases to allow them to be over-bored sufficient for the XBRR cylinders.
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Crackhead
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I realy liked the next to last paragraph.
"(And hey, AMA Pro, here’s a suggestion, free of charge: Put more classes on the track – and not another Harley class. We ride R1s, not Electra-Glides. I’ll make it easy for you – Formula Twins. Big Ducatis, KTMs, BMWs and Erik Buell Racings. And maybe a spec MD250H Moriwaki or Ninja 250R or Honda CBR250R series for younger riders. The fans at the track pay to see races, not practice. And it’s much easier to justify going to a race if I’m going to see hours of on-track action, rather than two or three events an afternoon.)"

Hopefully it would help change American's minds that under 1000cc bikes are beginner bikes. And we will finally have some development in the small displacement bikes.
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

another harley class? Its one class, people need to get over that crap, its old (the argument, not the bike etc)
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Blake
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's a lame racing series. It needs to be replaced with a more interesting one.
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Teeps
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 Blake.
Bring back a meaningful G.N.C. series.
And the Grand National Champion should be just that.
The individual rides all disciplines of motorcycle racing associated with GNC as before: road race, flat track, 1/4, 1/2, 1 mile and T.T. on no more thank 2 maybe 3 different bikes.
Top points take the title. Ties settled by number of wins.
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Bads1
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 02:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake is just remembering the past just like it reads.lol Alot closer racing now then ever. Superbikes aren't costing 250,000 like the factory teams.
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 03:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Which racing series is lame?? The XR class? The only real lame thing about it is they let the pros "cherry pick" out of it...

IMO, If it were a pure amature class, it would be a lot better.
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Madav8tr
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The single Harley racing class is some of the best racing the AMA has right now. He may ride a R1 but I guarantee there are more electra glides on the road than R1's. The AMA series NEEDS the exposure that a Harley class offers, the fact that the racing is good is an added bonus. Besides, hopefully we will see some great future racers come about because of this low cost racing. Much like the 883 spec class gave us guys like the Bostroms and Aaron Yates.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>> If it were a pure amateur class, it would be a lot better.

Agreed.


>>> The single Harley racing class is some of the best racing the AMA has right now.

Not if you don't care for spec series racing, which I don't. Judging by results, the last XR race was not so wonderful. Pro Thunder was a much more interesting racing class.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

But hey, maybe it's just me; I don't care much for the NASCAR Truck series either, and they at least allow different makes of trucks to compete. Yeah, I know, they aren't anything much related to the actual products.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 07:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would watch the following classes if they were created:

250cc production-based
Ninjettes, CB250s, you know.

"Run what you brung" unlimited class for amateurs only.

The amateur race should have a 6" high trophy and having your picture taken with it as the only prize.

I want to see people that think they can kick ass try to prove it on the track.

Think you got a shot with your ironhead? give it a shot!
Think you're awesome on your 18 year old GSXR? Go for it!
You say you're the fastest guy in your town on your brand-new bone stock R6? Prove it!

I really think if the money thing is removed from competition, it could be interesting.

See "LeMons" racing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgFl2pKZRcg&feature =fvst

I love the flapping vinyl roof : )
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Court
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 08:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I tease about it a lot but I'm glad they have the Sportster class.

If the nominal speed of the bikes was all that mattered I suppose we'd only have one class and lots of great folks with their collective noses pressed to the glass.

I'm less enthralled with the bike, although I think having Sportster is cool, than I am with the folks it puts on the track.

As much as I dig the guys making the big bucks and driving the motor homes . . . the part of my that used to hot rod '57 Chevys and Olds 4-4-2s loves watching folks like Paul James, Shawn Higbee and others get a chance to race.

In addition, there is a huge support organization in the pit crews. Mike "Coolice" and his team put on a show that is just as good as anything on the track.

Racing . . and I confess to being less taken with the racing part than folks like Dave and Erik, should (again, just my opinion) be, first and foremost, FUN.

I liked taking my kids when they are young . . I like that my wife enjoys it and that we can go, take the dog and look forward to seeing old and meeting new friends at the track.

There is something, hang me if you will, about the sound of the Sportster that adds to that fun. To me . . the Sportster sounds like a motorcycle. To really get a sense of what I like about this series you have to have been hoisted, as a 8 year old kid, on to the neighbors FLH . . or seen the eyes of the Reep-ettes when the racers took time to visit with them.

Someone has to cross the finish line first . . sure, I hope it's my guy . . but most of all I want racing to be fun.

Do that and watch the crowds grow.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+10000 to the Sportster.
Me in 1996 right after its makeover.

s
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Madav8tr
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Think you're awesome on your 18 year old GSXR? Go for it!
You say you're the fastest guy in your town on your brand-new bone stock R6? Prove it!

I really think if the money thing is removed from competition, it could be interesting."

They have that......its called club racing. As for the racing not being good based on the results you saw I disagree. Out of 6 races there have been 3 different winners and numerous others filling out the other podium spots. And that is just the podium spots. The mid pack battles have been good as well. As a former club racer I like any effort that will help bring new racers onto the AMA Pro racing scene and this XR series does just that.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anybody who didn't like the Daytona Sportbike and AMA Superbike races at Laguna Seca just plain doesn't like motorcycle racing. Period.

G
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"But hey, maybe it's just me; I don't care much for the NASCAR Truck series either, and they at least allow different makes of trucks to compete. Yeah, I know, they aren't anything much related to the actual products."
Yes, it is just you if thats the logic you use.
The NASCAR Truck series isnt a SPEC series like this class.
People need to get over the fact that only the XR1200 with certain parts can run this race, its a spec race, thats what its about (no or limited modifications)

I've posted this before, and I'll post it again - I bet no one on here complained about the lightning races they had 15 years or so ago. All the bikes were the same.
But its ok cause its a Buell and yall hate HD, right?

Come on Blake, dont be so ignorant about this (comparing NASCAR truck series to the XR1200 spec series)
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Gregtonn
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh, and did anybody notice the the attendance figures?
A record for Laguna and that is saying a lot!
For those who have never been there aren't many stands, but there are a huge number of places to watch from and you can wander around during the races and check out all of the track.

G
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Greg - good that they had a record amount for the race, but are you saying an AMA event record? Or the overall track attendance record for any event? Cause if AMA then thatd probably be due to mGP race going on, pulling in lots of people

And as for MotoGP - watching the coverage of it was way better, to me, than the AMA coverage, some of the camera angles, especially the run up the hill from the heli.
I WANT TO GO THERE SOOOOO BAD.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Okay, last point and I'll quit yammering.
The Sportster series at Laguna back in the '90s had seventeen lead changes in a single lap if thats boring then....

G
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