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T9r
Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - 07:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone have experience with fitting an 2008 XB engine into an older frame?

What are the components that have changed where it mounts to the bike, any?

Possibly having to run different oil lines as the swingarm changed configurations.
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - 07:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I assume you have all the new 08 electronics, wiring, sensors, ECM. Engine controls changed markedly from DDFI-2 to DDFI-3
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T9r
Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - 08:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The wiring comes with the engine... I would have to buy the ecm from Erik Buell Racing or somewhere else.

The engine was a complete removal from a Uly and I was thinking about putting it into my Firebolt (which just stopped working).
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Trojan
Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - 08:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Should go straight in no problem.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I forget which voltage regulators changed during what years, but you might need the right one of those as well. If the connectors fit, you are good to go.
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T9r
Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - 08:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I updated my connectors as I had to replaced the VR last year. Thanks
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - 09:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The frame mounts are the same, and the least of your concerns. Hughlysses put an 09 engine in his 06 recently, the biggest thing you will have to change is the wiring harness. Here is the long thread detailing the swap

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?142838/617384
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Hughlysses
Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - 01:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You said the engine comes with the wiring, but I have a good 2009 XB12R wiring harness leftover from my Uly engine swap if you need one. Changing out the wiring harness is probably the most difficult part of the job.

The engine mounts are the same, swing arm connections are the same (at least between an 07 and an 09) but you need the hoses that go with the engine. Don't forget the larger oil cooler with different fittings on the 08-10 as well.
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T9r
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 12:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Okay I bit the initial bullet and picked up a 2008 XB12 motor from a Uly.

Parts I still need:
2008+ XB Oil Cooler (8 fin)
2008+ XB12 ECM for Buell Race Muffler

Parts I would like to install:
2008+ XB fuel pump
2008+ XB12R Fan






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Froggy
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

2008+ XB12 ECM for Buell Race Muffler




Get one from Erik Buell Racing : )


quote:

2008+ XB12R Fan




All years of XB models use the same fan
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Hughlysses
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 10:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good call on the fuel pump. The connector is different from the pre-08 harness to the 08-up harness. Since my 07 fuel pump was good, I swapped the connector from my brand new 09 Uly harness for the one on my old 07 Uly harness. By changing the fuel pump, you'll be able to use the fuel pump connector that comes on the 08-up harness.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 11:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For such a beautiful presentation inside the bike, the XB engine always looks kinda sad out of the bike.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Damn! I just realized your engine has the 08 Uly wiring harness with it. It's a pity you didn't do this a few months ago; I would have swapped you even-Steven for my 09R wiring harness. That would have saved me ~$360!
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T9r
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 05:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Didn't Buell upgrade the fans just recently?

Hugh - the guy I bought the engine from didn't have the Uly bike a few months ago so don't feel bad.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 05:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thad- I think the Buell P/N for the fans are all the same. I installed a newer one I'd gotten from American Sport Bike a couple of years ago when I swapped my engine recently; the manufacturer's part number had a different letter suffix from the original 07 fan which does imply they've updated them. I think as long as you get a relatively new fan you're OK.

BTW- the throttle cables are also different from the pre-08/08-up. I have a set of those left over I'll make you a deal on.
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Boltrider
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2011 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They did upgrade the fan programming for the 2010 model year. The race ECM from Erik Buell Racing probably has that fan programming already in it.
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