| Author | Message | ||
     Indy_bueller |
http://www.atlasshruggedpart1.com/theaters Get on there folks and DEMAND that the movie be shown in your area! This is gonna be a good flick! | ||
| Reindog |
Silly me. I thought Atlas Shrugged would be in wide circulation. It is NOT! Go to the site listed above and demand that the movie chains carry it. Tell all your friends to do the same. God damn it. I am mad. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
its a 'foreign' flick; hollywood is too much in love with this administration to undertake and promote something like that. from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" Marx never said it. The original translation is from EVERY according to ability, to All according to their duty It is enough of a difference that Lenin corrupted it when he translated it into Russian so that there would not be as much resistance to it. It is we will take from all to feed the ever growing STATE, for the good of the STATE. the you is never part of the recepient intention, and indeed this is how Stalin executed the starvation of Ukraine in 33-34; raising the kollectives production requirements, force confisgation, and execution for leaving the collective. locals were starving to death, and all the grain was shipped back to Moscow to be 'redistributed'... and in many cases was unusable by the time it was distributed due to mold, mildew, rats..... feel better, it could never happen here.... where is my sarcasm icon? | ||
| Xl1200r |
Don't know anything about the movie, but the book has been sitting on my shelf, unread, for about a year. Just last night, a like-minded old friend whom I see not nearly often enough, suggested I read it. I think I will. Just need to finish ZATAOMM... It's been over a yea since I started it. Can you tell I'm not a book person? Lol | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
If you're not a book person. Atlas Shrugged will take you a year to read. No reason not to. I've read it twice and will do so for a third time soon. | ||
| 86129squids |
I like Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. The sequel aint bad either. | ||
| Boltrider |
I'm a quarter of the way through the book. I like it. Her sense of humor is something I didn't expect. The way she describes Lillian Rearden's anniversary party attendees is hilarious. There's backhanded compliments all over the place. | ||
| Glitch |
If you're not a book person. There's real good audio book out, if that helps. I'm really looking forward to seeing it! I just noticed something...   | ||
| Glitch |
We got this from Netflix, watching it tonight. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041386/ Rand had quite a bit of say while the movie was being made, so it ought to be pretty close to what she wanted. | ||
| Strato9r |
Freakin' cool. And Dagny is HOT! | ||
| Pwnzor |
It's not too far from me, but I DEMANDED that it be played at a theater CLOSER to my house! | ||
| Hughlysses |
It's been a LONG time since I read the book; I should re-read it some time. It'll be interesting to see how they adapt the story to the present day; some of the book would be a stretch with modern technology. The one thing that really killed me about the book is a 50 page+ section where the protagonist gives a speech over the radio. 50 pages of speech is a bit much. After about 2 pages I was like "OK, I GET THE POINT!". Ayn Rand definitely had an interesting belief system ("Objectivism"). It has a lot of good points but she went off the deep end with some things. For instance, one thing she believed is that it is possible to "objectively" identify "good" music. I'm not quite sure how that was supposed to be done, but I'm fairly certain she wouldn't approve most of the music we like.  | ||
| Slaughter |
Rand died in early 80s - you saying this has been in production nearly 20 years? It was a long read but 2 decades in production? <EDIT> - oopsie, Glitch was talking Fountainhead (Message edited by slaughter on April 02, 2011) | ||
| Blake |
It must have been a collective effort.  | ||
| R100rs |
Rand once declared, "I want to be known as the greatest champion of reason and the greatest enemy of religion."http://www.michaelprescott.net/hickman.htm yeah,this is someone i want to emulate. | ||
| Blake |
Who is saying that they wish to emulate Ayn Rand? | ||
| Blake |
Best to judge people by their own works. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
One outta two aint bad in this case. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
April 15 is a Friday...yep Friday .... (go see the other thread for that meme) As tough as it is in english, you should try it in Russian. I am only 3 chapters in on the Fountainhead, and I want to commit hari kari. Or at least drink alot of Vodka. | ||
| Glitch |
Fountainhead in my opinion, not a great work, neither is Anthem. Atlas Shrugged is kind of a culmination for her. Is she an atheist? Yes, but for me it seems her main distaste for religion is based on organized religion. A lot of what she's written about organized religion I can and do agree with, having grown up on the inside of the Episcopal church, I have some insight. Her views on economy, and how and where government should act, and the consequences of socialism I wholeheartedly agree with. Some view her Objectivism as extreme, and they may well be to some extent, but one must remember the extremes she was raised under. When you criticize a system, you tend to try and swing the pendulum as far to the other side as possible, especially if the system is at an extreme. In her case Soviet Russia. I've read Atlas Shrugged twice now it's that good, I'm listening to this time. | ||
| Midknyte |
Haven't any of you seen the trailer for this yet? The story works, as a noir industrial age period piece. Very well in fact. But Reardon metal is just iron vs steel. Meanwhile, juxtaposed in this film you have skyscrapers, jet planes, and cars of modern day and we're supposed to believe the need for a magic metal for ... trains? And they try to obfuscate this with a metro to bullet train (both of which happily co-exist in reality) switcheroo? C'mon. We're supposed to become engaged in the notion of Galt's magical motor in the age atomic energy? What is Project X going to be? The plot tools [transfered straight from the book without upgrade] do not work in this present day presentation. It could be worse. It could have been an American flick with Julia Roberts as Dagny. (Hey, that'd be kind of fun mixed in with of all this). Enjoy the book, but skip the movie. It's full of fail. | ||
| Glitch |
It could have been an American flick with Julia Roberts as Dagny. When production began, the rumor was it would be Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, I was mortified... It's full of fail. And it ain't even out yet  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
if the movie inspires you to read the book, then it has succeeded; if you think the movie is a substitute for the book, the failure is not the movie, but with you. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Midkynte: From what I understand the Producer only had two months to get the movie into production or he would lose the rights to make it. Basically they went from having no script or funding to actually shooting film in less than 60 days. There wasn't much time to make changes to the story. | ||
| Buellkowski |
What do you think of John Galt's oath? Heroic or sad? "I swear — by my life and my love of it — that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." Said to be from Rand's 1964 interview with Playboy: PLAYBOY: According to your philosophy, work and achievement are the highest goals of life. Do you regard as immoral those who find greater fulfillment in the warmth of friendship and family ties? RAND: If they place such things as friendship and family ties above their own productive work, yes, then they are immoral. Friendship, family life and human relationships are not primary in a man's life. A man who places others first, above his own creative work, is an emotional parasite; whereas, if he places his work first, there is no conflict between his work and his enjoyment of human relationships. It's Sunday. Get back to work. | ||
| Buellkowski |
More from the 1964 Playboy interview: PLAYBOY: Throughout your work you argue that the way in which the contemporary world is organized, even in the capitalist countries, submerges the individual and stifles initiative. In Atlas Shrugged, John Galt leads a strike of the men of the mind -- which results in the collapse of the collectivist society around them. Do you think the time has come for the artists, intellectuals and creative businessmen of today to withdraw their talents from society in this way? RAND: No, not yet. But before I explain, I must correct one part of your question. What we have today is not a capitalist society, but a mixed economy -- that is, a mixture of freedom and controls, which, by the presently dominant trend, is moving toward dictatorship. The action in Atlas Shrugged takes place at a time when society has reached the stage of dictatorship. When and if this happens, that will be the time to go on strike, but not until then. PLAYBOY: What do you mean by dictatorship? How would you define it? RAND: A dictatorship is a country that does not recognize individual rights, whose government holds total, unlimited power over men. PLAYBOY: What is the dividing line, by your definition, between a mixed economy and a dictatorship? RAND: A dictatorship has four characteristics: one-party rule, executions without trial for political offenses, expropriation or nationalization of private property, and censorship. Above all, this last. So long as men can speak and write freely, so long as there is no censorship, they still have a chance to reform their society or to put it on a better road. When censorship is imposed, that is the sign that men should go on strike intellectually, by which I mean, should not cooperate with the social system in any way whatever. I don't think the U.S. "dictatorship" is here yet, after nearly 50 years. Some of you seem to disagree... | ||
| Glitch |
I don't think the U.S. "dictatorship" is here yet, after nearly 50 years. I don't think the US is a dictatorship either, but, we're loosing our Republic by leaps and bounds. People keep talking about how to make our Republic more democratic (NPR preaches this often), I do not believe mob rule would be very good either. I was reading "reviews" of Atlas Shrugged, it amazes me how many people are "reviewing" it and admit to never having read it. | ||
| Eaton_corners |
People keep talking about how to make our Republic more democratic (NPR preaches this often), I do not believe mob rule would be very good either. Apparently John Adams agrees;"Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few." | ||
| Pwnzor |
We should perhaps all be asking ourselves the following question: What is the relationship between the frequency of revolution and the magnitude of the force causing circular motion? We are spiraling ever downward. Take up your arms. | ||
| Blake |
>>> The plot tools [transfered straight from the book without upgrade] do not work in this present day presentation. I thought I was a skeptic. If you've ever traveled in Japan or France it is incredibly easy to imagine a great new mass transit system in America? I dream of it all the time. Being able to hop on a train and go, just about anywhere in short order. Not having to drive myself. What an amazing thing it would be. A breakdown of freight train services due to government graft and corruption is not difficult to imagine at all either. Take note of the bridge collapse last year? |
