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Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 10:53 am: | 
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Wonder is "sugar" will surface as an Erik Buell Racing model.
I'd love to have an Erik Buell Racing Street Triple. |
Elvis
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 11:17 am: |
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I'd LOVE the "sugar", but I'd also be interested in (and this would probably be a lot more practical given the current situation) an 845RS that could go head to head with the Duc 848. |
Fast1075
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 01:37 pm: |
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After seeing the 1190rs in person, I am sure that what ever comes down the pipe will be completely excellent...I didn't hear everything he said (I am a bit hearing disadvantaged)...but it is looking better than ever for Erik and the elves.
Erik was personable and involved despite how full his plate was...he made no visual cues when I mentioned the 450...lets say he was being "relentless" with his autograph session...
I did get to listen to a conversation he was having with Guy Glover...all focus is the best way to put it...he did say the rear subframe could "fit" an 1125, but "the are no provisions for the electrics"..or something along those lines.
My autographed coffee mug is now proudly on display... |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 02:32 pm: |
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Bring on an ST!!!!
Not sure Erik Buell Racing would venture into such a small market. It's not sporty enough to be a sportbike, nor plush enough to be a long distance tourer (and how many people really tour on a bike in the first place?.) I can see why this is such a tough niche.
I love the idea of owning the Kawi Connie, but it would sit while I am riding the R. |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 02:36 pm: |
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Erik Buell Racing needs to partner with Motus on the ST bike. Water-cooled pushrod direct-injected V-4 with fuel-in-frame and ZTL front brake! |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 02:47 pm: |
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Fresno, there are many people who tour on motorcycles, or who need a commuter with some extra luggage space. Concours, a horde of BMWs, FJR, Norge, Honda ST. The argument that there is no market is pure bull ship. |
Thesmaz
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 03:33 pm: |
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Hope that there will be an 1190 Uly type bike in the works soon. Might even keep my eyes from wandering to the Duc Mutlistrada |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 03:49 pm: |
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quote:Erik Buell Racing needs to partner with Motus on the ST bike. Water-cooled pushrod direct-injected V-4 with fuel-in-frame and ZTL front brake!
Why?
What in Erik Buell's past - either racing or design philosophy says that the Motus would be of any interest? This "what Erik Should Make for ME" feeding frenzy rivals the annual silliness that went on with "new model" speculation.
Not just the Motus, but all the silliness.
I know what I have in MY garage - but those types are not necessarily going to ensure Erik Buell Racing's survival.
Don't get me wrong, the Motus is cool - but enormous, big, heavy.
PUSHRODS??? WHY oh WHY does Motus need to set engine development back a few decades (unless they are borrowing from a V4 agri-motor - my first thought) |
Tpoppa
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 03:52 pm: |
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I wonder if the EBarrrrrR dealers will service 1125s. I'd prefer to never set foot in a HD dealership again. |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 04:02 pm: |
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>>>I wonder if the EBarrrrrR dealers will service 1125s.
No.
The 1125 belongs to HD. Best not to pursue legal entanglement with KeithCo.
Erik Buell Racing is a NEW company, new and clearer focus and most certainly not a reinvention, recreation or de facto continuation of Buell Motorcycle Company.
That'd get real messy real fast.
In addition, ERIK BUELL RACING will have their hands full servicing and selling their own product.
Focus. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 04:03 pm: |
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Somewhere, in all the articles I've read about Buell, it was stated that the 1125 was supposed to have debuted as a Sport Tourer, with the 1190 following later as a Sport bike. However, some brainless ego at H-D saw a ST as competition for their Tourers, and the concept was killed.
Sport Tourers can't be too small a market segment when so many manufacturers are making them, the list includes Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Triumph, Ducati, Moto Guzzi and BMW. With BMW, the only street bike they make that they don't offer bags for is the S-1000. I think that a Buell sport tourer would be both competitive and much more desirable than nearly anything else out there.
Then again, I've been haranguing Erik about one since they stopped making the S3-T. |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 04:07 pm: |
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Slaughter- I wasn't really serious about the Motus partnership. What have you got against pushrods? Don't you have them in all your Buells?  |
Tpoppa
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 04:34 pm: |
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No.
The 1125 belongs to HD. Best not to pursue legal entanglement with KeithCo.
Erik Buell Racing is a NEW company, new and clearer focus and most certainly not a reinvention, recreation or de facto continuation of Buell Motorcycle Company.
That'd get real messy real fast.
In addition, ERIK BUELL RACING will have their hands full servicing and selling their own product.
Focus.
Court, I hear what you are saying.
There is nothing preventing a Honda dealer from servicing a Suzuki or an HD. Maybe they can't do warranty work or get parts directly from the factory, but they can perform maintenance.
As a 1125 owner, I have an interest in this. At this point, I'd prefer an independent shop over an HD dealership. |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 04:45 pm: |
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My bet . . . as a guy who's owned 9 Buells and over 10 motorcycles at a time . . . is that the dealers that eventually are selected are of the level that they are capable on things well beyond Erik Buell Racing products.
Erik Buell Racing, like a number of brands, will not provide sufficient volume alone to serve as or support the sole revenue stream for a dealer. They will have and have demonstrated competency in other areas.
I would not be surprised to see them quite able to provide excellent service but that will be a by-product rather than a criterion for selection.
The process is well underway and folks much smarter than I are handling it. I'm excited to see it unfold. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 05:15 pm: |
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Fresno, there are many people who tour on motorcycles, or who need a commuter with some extra luggage space. Concours, a horde of BMWs, FJR, Norge, Honda ST. The argument that there is no market is pure bull ship.
Re-read my post. I wrote "small" market. Not sure where you got the "no" market? And this is a proven fact the ST market is a smaller market than either the sportbike market or touring market....
HOw many people really tour compared to the once every few weekend warriors? I really don't understand why people choose the cruisers over ST bikes, but they do.
I am sure I will end up on a ST bike in my future, but this doesn't mean it's a large segment of the market.
PS--You describe a touring bike. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 05:21 pm: |
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FYI, what was announced at the breakfast is the selection of an investment banking firm to raise the captal for E_B_R growth. Not that the capital is in place. |
Brumbear
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 06:44 pm: |
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Well I can say this of the 20 or so people I know personally who will eventually be buying Buells when they are a little more cost effective most not all but most will be looking for a CR or a ULY type machine. I would say 4 would outright buy the sportbike. Now this is probably for a plethora of reasons one being a long day in the saddle is a little easier on the uprights, There is another reason insurable motorcycle a sportbike can be expensive as all crud to insure while a standard/ST is essentially the same motor for way less. However the bigger draw will be the Sportbike but I would not discount Naked and Sport touring machines there is plenty of room for both !!!! |
Doerman
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 07:16 pm: |
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... investment banking firm to raise the capital for E_B_R growth
That makes the glass officially half full -- and then some!! Congratulations E B R!
Investment banking firms are not charities. They are no respecters of enthusiasm of any kind, except for the prospect of making money. For E B R to have accumulated enough track record attracting the attention of an Investment Banking firm is huge.
(Message edited by doerman on March 15, 2011) |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 09:59 pm: |
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Fresno, we'll agree to disagree. When I said "no market" I was actually paraphrasing someone else from the past, sorry for the confusion. I disagree however and think the market is bigger than you think. I think the line between ST and tourer is being blurred. ST is a continuum to be sure, but a ST generally can do everything a T can do and then some. Look at the numers of people in sport-touring oriented clubs and you'll see a market that's ripe for the picking. To offer an American made prospect where there never was one might be huge.
Look at the success of the Uly. It defies categorization, but plenty of people are using it as an ST.
My opinion is that you can take an existing platform and with some minor tweaks turn it into an ST. It would open Erik Buell Racing to a new market with only a minor (relatively) investment as a buy in. |
Buellkowski
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 10:48 pm: |
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Let the man build whatever the hell he wants. He's earned the right.
"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford
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Pkforbes87
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 01:13 am: |
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"Look at the success of the Uly. It defies categorization, but plenty of people are using it as an ST."
If I'm not mistaken, the Uly was born from the concept of a motard with long distance capabilities. |
86129squids
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 01:42 am: |
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I Love This Thread. |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 07:46 am: |
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Right. Weird concept being used as an ST. |
2008xb12scg
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 11:20 am: |
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Why wouldn't he make an ST based off the 1190? Eventually. Higher bars, lower pegs, gearing and bags. It doesn't need to be that different from the sport bike, |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 11:46 am: |
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I'd think you'd want a more comfortable saddle than the torture seat the 1190 appears to have... |
2008xb12scg
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 12:19 pm: |
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haha that to Jaimec. But Like the xb line had 3 models (s, r, and x) couldn't the 1190? |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 02:28 pm: |
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My opinion is that you can take an existing platform and with some minor tweaks turn it into an ST
Totally agree with that. Look at the best ST on the planet--The Kawi Concourse--taken directly from the fire breathing ZX-14. Probably the relative ease of taking a full blown sportbike and tweaking it here and there makes it financially viable as there isn't a huge cost from developing the ST version from the ground up.
Usually a ST is a larger bike, so I am not sure if the 1190 frame will be a good fit for bags, extra passenger, etc.--but if it can be done and makes financial sense--go for it Erik Buell Racing!
I am really sorta shocked that the Hayabusa hasn't been modified and offered as a ST model. Maybe this speaks to the limited market? DUnno. |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 02:32 pm: |
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>>>For E B R to have accumulated enough track record attracting the attention of an Investment Banking firm is huge.
That's an accurate statement. |
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