| Author | Message | ||
     Cowboy |
say what you like but the most deserving team in America has won. | ||
| Blake |
I like the cheesers too. | ||
| Etennuly |
I'm with Jcbikes. Toona, that is all my father-in-law and I talked about during half time. That show sucked worse that the Steelers loosing to me. And another stroke of bad work, what were they thinking with the National Anthem. That was sickening and disrespectful in my opinion. Seven time grammy winning means nothing. The candy commercial where Rosanne got knocked on her ass (ala Betty White commercial spoof) had me nearly loose my pizza in a fit of laughter. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
How can you not love the only publicly owned major sports franchise with a population of barely over 100,000? I have to say the win over the Bears (metro population 9.7 million) on their turf is ALMOST as sweet as the Super Bowl win. I know I would have felt worse if the Pack lost to the Bears than if the Pack went down against the Steelers (metro population of 2.3 million.) I also know I was more emotional after the NFC Championship game than the Super Bowl. Redemption for the Cheeseheads! The Pack was simply unstopppable this postseason and I really can't think of a more satisfying playoff run scenario. 1) Having to win last 2 regular season games to make the playoffs. 2) Beating 3 quality playoff team ON THE ROAD. 3) Additionally going into Solider Field and handling the Bears for the right to goto SB 45 4) Watching the emergence of the next great NFL quaterback 5) The resilience of the Pack in SB 45 as their veteran leaders on both sides of the ball go down to injury, Driver and Woodson. 6) The pure class of character of this squad is amazing That being said, I would love for the Packer faithful to get a chance to host a playoff game and I feel REALLY good about this coming to fruition next season (if there is one.) Brett who? If that guy has any class remaining, he would publically congratulate his old team on this huge Super Bowl win. | ||
| Bads1 |
They have huge decisions to make this off season though.There second string got them there. There first string were for the most part injured. The second string will demand money this coming year. Now we'll have to see who stays...... who goe's. Rumor Bennet is getting his walking papers. Donald Driver..... does he retire ??? That will free up some salary cap. Going to be interesting. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Driver has already stated he's coming back and even want to play until he's 40. He's obviously sees the potential of this team and wants to be a part of it. Even if he drops to the number 4 receiver, he will be a great needed veteran presence. according to the experts who know the details much better than I, the Pack is in as good a shape as possible for next season. Not a tremendous amount of free agents nor FA in critical positions (ie Pack is deep where they have free agents.) the good thing is the organization knows how to draft and develop players from within which is absolutely critical for small market teams if they want to be successful. The 2nd string did get them there, indeed. This will be great when the injured starters come back and have to fight for the 1st string job. This will do nothing but make the Pack stronger and deeper. How about the awesome experience of this whole playoff run for the 2nd stringers? That will play a HUGE role in future playoff runs and very likely the reason the Packers held on for the win after Driver, Woodson, Shields went down in SB45. That and number 12. | ||
| Bads1 |
Fres your not paying attention to the news Bro. Theres a salary cap. The second string will want more money... or a few stand outs anyways. Driver..... the rumor is still retirement. We need to get off the high's before Donald gives the low's. Age is catching him.... its quite noticable. If he stays cool. We'll see..... our local news here in Milwaukee were just talking about it the other night. | ||
| Bads1 |
read the whole deal. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/329237-green-ba y-packers-why-its-time-for-donald-driver-to-go | ||
| Fresnobuell |
So you are citing one article that's over a year old? Okay looks like I am not the one that should be keeping up with the news. I heard Driver's interview from the last couple days and he didn't sound like a guy eyeing retirement, so I wonder where the rumor of retirement is coming from. I would easily take Driver over Swain and until JOnes proves he can catch the ball, I would put DD in front of him as well. Jones obviously has a huge upside, but sometimes guys who drop balls just never shake that habit. We'll see. Although Quarless is a TE, i am not impressed with his hands either. A quality TE is such a weapon in the NFL and I think lots of people are salivating at the prospect of Finley coming back next year. I dont understand people who just dump a guy because he's supposedly getting a little long in the tooth. Maybe it's not Driver slowing down but Jennings and Jordy stepping their games up? No one know what happens in the locker room, but for defending Super Bowl champs the locker room is probably just as important as on-the-field play in relation to repeating as Champs. Driver is a great locker room guy as well as someone who still delivers on the field. Did you think he was an old man when he took that ball to the house against the 49ers? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/535708-donald-d river-touchdown-catch-watch-the-green-bay-packers- wr-shed-tacklers | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Also, if Driver needs to go, why did the Pack extend his contract thru the 2012 season? Obviously the team saw something back in August to give him another 2 years. | ||
| Bads1 |
Yes I am citing an article a year old. There talking that on the news now. Hes not what he used to be.... hes getting older....we have younger up coming talent that we are wasting. And do I think hes aged?? Yes to answer your question. He not catching what he used to. He's still very good but we have talent there that are better. Same senerio with Farve and Rodgers. Young talent that Thompson knew would do well. He was right. Driver could stay... no doubt. Do you think a guy is going to sound like retirement after just one week of a whole teams Super Bowl Victory ??? I kinda doubt it,thats why the high has to come down a bit. Decsions are made as the year goes on. As far as me catching the news?? To be honest I watch 6 TV's of Sports 4-5 hours a day. Cause I want to ?? No..... its the business I'm in. I listen alot of sports news. Its just the Buzzz?? I'm local here so we get alittle more of a buzz from local news and such. | ||
| Bads1 |
I didn't say Driver needs to go.... you put those words in my mouth. Rumor says he may. Favre had a contract to.... so what. If he retires he retires. I've had enough talking football for season regardless. So much I could choke to be honest. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
we have younger up coming talent that we are wasting. Exactly who? Unlike the Favre-Rodgers situation where only one can play the role as starter, receivers go 3 and 4 wide so I don't see where Driver can't fit in. I can actually see a scenario where Ds focus on Jennings and JOrdy (and Finley,) allowing Driver some space. I believe he can take advantage as teams focus on the younger guys. Really, this was JOrdys role this year as Ds focused on Driver and Jennings. I guess that's why its nice to have such a solid receiving core as the Pack does. Driver doesn't need to catch 6 or 8 balls to be effective for the Packers. Again, until Jones proves he can provide reliable hands he's still a question mark. And Swain doesn't look like muchmore than a number 5 guy, but maybe you know more about this guy. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I didn't say Driver needs to go Maybe not, but the article you cited did. Bottome line, is we are both Packers fans and let's hope is not another 14 year between Super Bowl victories. | ||
| Socoken |
I read the bleacher report, but its about as reliable as a tabloid. Nick Barnett should not return, not with bishops play and new contract. Barnett has been a whiner his whole career, and injury prone for that matter, and the team photo fiasco was just the nail in his coffin. Rodgers, like a true leader, called him out very subtly in a press conference. Driver has lost a step or two, and he has dropped more in the last two seasons than Ive seen him drop in a long time, but he is a veteran leader with a strong work ethic. Much of jennings' and nelson's success needs to be attributed to driver, as might finley's and any future acquisitions at WR. James Jones is a drop factory but he has tremendous potential. Im sure they will give him more time to sort things out. Jordy Nelson is usually pretty sure handed, he just had a rough day. Brett Swain is a special teams standout, and should be held on to as well. I look for TT to pick up a WR in the later rounds of the draft. The team released Al Harris mid season to make room for Tramon Willliams' new contract. All the important pieces are under contract for now. This is not a group of guys that will hold out for a revamped contract, and if they do, TT will find a fill in like he has so well. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Brett Swain is a special teams standout good point, forgot about that. And yes Jordy dropped more passes in the the Super Bowl than he did all season. Until then I thought he was the most sure-handed receiver of the bunch. How about that laser he caught to tie the Falcons durng the regular season? too bad they gave up the big return to setup the losing field goal. | ||
| Socoken |
Also, The Packers salary total for 2010 was 94 mil and change, giving them the 28th LOWEST payroll, some 58 MILLION PLUS below the highest, the raiders. Id say they have some cap room!!!!!!!!!! Thats the benefit of having such a young team. | ||
| Socoken |
Having looked into it, the numbers I used above might not be accurate. The Packers have, no matter the source, a payroll in the bottom third of the NFL. Furthermore, there was no cap in 2010 as the owners opted out of the current CBA, and the cap in the future might be lowered with a new CBA. What that means for teams that are/were over cap before or will be in the coming seasons, I have no idea. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Yep, that's the advantage of drafting smart and developing players from within--the anti-Yankees approach. I knew the Pack was in good shape as far as the cap, but I didn't know those numbers. Thanks for pointing that out. And that's awesome they have the option of shelling out some dough if deemed necessary. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Ken, I have been listening non-stop to NFL talk radio for the last month and it's been mentioned several times the Packers are in great shape regarding the salary cap. Yet another reason this could be the start of a great run. | ||
| Socoken |
Another trend you need to have to have a low cap is to consistently draft low. Teams that take a top 10 draft pick year after year (browns, raiders, lions) end up with huge rookie salaries. Teams that routinely draft late, and draft well, save tons of money and build from within. The draft is a bigger deal than a lot of fans realize, and I think TT is a good guy to have at the helm. He missed big on Justin Harrell, but Clay Matthews and Aaron Rodgers have made Harrell a footnote. Having said that, Chuck Woodson is, without question, the most important player on the team. He is the leader and heart and soul of that team. I hope we can get a few more years out of him. I hear ya Fres, with a healthy Chuck Woodson, the return of Finley, Burnett, and Grant, I love GB's chances of a repeat next year. | ||
| Blake |
Why use hands when you can use feet instead? Soccer is where it's at; behold the glory of a 1-0 game. | ||
| Bads1 |
Thing is there are many starters that have pretty pricey contracts. The decisions will be who to start next year. Some of the second string will be negociating for more money. Mean while paying 1st stringer's that didn't even play this year. We'll see,its going to be intersting who gets dropped. | ||
| Socoken |
Dana, Who are you referring to when you say second stringers? Sam Shields will be a FA in 2013, and morgan burnett is signed through 2014. Bishop got a new contract through 2014 and will be first string. Frank Zombo and Erik Walden are also signed through 2013. Charlie Peprah is our fourth string safety and will not rate a "big contract." Brad Jones and Brady Poppinga are both signed through 2013. Jarret Bush is a special teams captain and a dime back, who we have signed through 2011, but will not command a contract worth more than 2 mil/yr Otherwise, the team we saw in the superbowl will be starting next year, save ryan grant, morgan burnett, and jermichael finley returning. (plus or minus rookies from the draft) My point is, the Packers have all the pieces singed for the next few years anyway, and by all reports, 30+ million in cap room. Now, we did sign a ton of free agents this year, and who makes or doesnt make the 53 man roster next august might be interesting, but money is not the issue. Also, if the owners get their 18 game season, I would expect that 53 man roster to be expanded. The line backing corps is really the only set of question marks. Hawk and Matthews are locks, as should be Bishop. Poppinga stays on for special teams and backup. The other end could be Zombo or Jones | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Having said that, Chuck Woodson is, without question, the most important player on the team. On defense? Outside of number 12? PS great last post. What do you think about Jenkins being resigned?} | ||
| Bads1 |
We'll see Ken. | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
I'm so stupid. I thought this was playstation vs gameboy LMFAO | ||
| Socoken |
Why use hands when you can use feet instead? Soccer is where it's at; behold the glory of a 1-0 game. Blake, I hope that was tongue in cheek. Football was meant to be played by 6'3" 275lb men knocking the crap out of eachother for six seconds at a time as part of a larger game of chess. It was not meant to be played by 5'9" 150lb fairies lightly jogging for an hour. On defense? Outside of number 12? What do you think about Jenkins being resigned? I think the Pack makes the playoffs with Flynn at the helm, but not without Woodson in the backfield. Charles Woodson is one of the most gifted football players to don the pads. He is our best returner, tackler, and cover man. He is also the emergency QB and can punt if needed. Beyond all that, he is the leader of that team, offense and defense. You just cant replace that stuff. The talk is that the franchise tag on Jenkins would be too high. We also have to make decisions on Green and Jolly. Neal is a beast, but he is injury prone. DT is a spot where Dana may have a point. On Thursday, the Packers signed 8 free agents, mostly undrafted rookies. They know a heck of a lot more than I do, and TT has rarely done what I would have, so you're right Dana. We will see, I was merely speculating. | ||
| Blake |
The glory of soccer is only surpassed by team shuffle-board. The humanity; the challenge; the ultimate glory. (Message edited by Blake on February 14, 2011) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I think the Pack makes the playoffs with Flynn at the helm, but not without Woodson in the backfield. I love Woodson and agree with your assessment of his athletic talent, however as much as I am trying I can't bring myself to conclude he's more important to the success of the team than a_Rod. Assuming they made the playoffs with Flynn (and I think that's a big maybe due to the slim margin slipping into the 6th seed by winning their last 2 games), I really doubt Flynn would have gotten them to SB45--let alone winning the big game. After all, Woodson was out of the game for over a half AND A-Rod made some incredible throws towards the end of the game to seal the deal. If the receivers hung onto all the balls from #12, we are talking 30-37, 400+ yards, 4TDs and one of the most legendary SB performances ever. Flynn would not have beaten that Pittsburg team, which the Pack managed sans Wood. I know it's hard to compare different positions when it comes to importance, but the QB gets the advantage in many cases simply due to touches. Woodson's post Super Bowl interviews had alot of "I's, where Rodgers had alot of "we's--I don't know if that means anything as far as the locker room but I noticed.} |
