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     Sifo |
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Obama-to-use-telepro mpter-for-Hindi-speech/H1-Article1-622605.aspx
They are actually making the comparison between BO and a TV news anchor. Very sad. | ||
| Aesquire |
Much to-do has been made of the millions of dollars, , fleets of warships, and 9 airliners for the entourage. Untold money going to remove the dangerous coconuts hanging from trees, and the concrete tunnel, to be built and guarded by U.S. Troops, so the great Obama can visit tourist stops in safety, with the style he is accustomed. Don't even mention taking an entire Hotel. Well, we don't want the president hurt. The SS has a job to do. Just because I think it's a little over the top, well, India is a War Zone. Remember the last time Mumbai was world news? Good news is Obama probably won't be going near any Jewish Centers. ( are there any left in Mumbai? ) Now India will learn what we have learned over the last 4 years, since Barack became famous & became noticed on his path to Power. In no order. The Obama's don't care if the city gets locked down so they can go shopping, or for a burger. They've shown this time and time again. They won, so it is their due. Without a well written speech, Barack has a tendency to either speak unpleasant truths about his policies, and reasoning, or let his great anger show. ( he has reason for this anger ) Barack will tell you over and over he wants to do things you don't want. Then he complains we didn't get or understand his great intellect & vision. It must be he did not communicate well, or we are too stupid. ( actually he always means we are too stupid. ) I think the whole thing about the jillion dollar India Trip is over wrought. Big hairy deal. Ok, the tunnel thing....that's bizarre. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326962/Ob amas-India-visit-security-erect-bomb-proof-tunnel- Gandhi-museum.html | ||
| Roadcouch98 |
Racists  | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Estimated cost,$200 million a day for ten days------------------------Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
Estimated cost,$200 million a day for ten days------------------------Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! untrue, I have no problem if you do not like his policies or the man, but staying with facts gives your point of view more credibility - don't you think? Snopes 200 million/day untrue | ||
| Sifo |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326962/Ob amas-India-visit-security-erect-bomb-proof-tunnel- Gandhi-museum.html
It's a bit ironic that BO chastised auto execs for flying on private charter jets during a time when they weren't showing good results. I would call this hypocrisy, but I understand that Government Motors execs are back in the private jets again. I'm guessing BO has simply reconsidered lavish travel, regardless of if it can be rationalized. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Estimated cost,$200 million a day for ten days------------------------Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! untrue, I have no problem if you do not like his policies or the man, but staying with facts gives your point of view more credibility - don't you think? I read it on the internet.....so it must be true :-( :-( (Damned internet anyways,can't trust nobody there!) | ||
| Sifo |
untrue, I have no problem if you do not like his policies or the man, but staying with facts gives your point of view more credibility - don't you think? The problem with calling this untrue is that we don't know the cost of the trip. Transparency would help. To compare it to the cost of a Clinton trip as Snopes did may not be any more accurate. Did Clinton require that a bomb proof tunnel built? didn't think so. I wonder what the tab just for that was? Honestly I am beginning to wonder about BO having paranoid delusions. Of course a large portion of the Muslims of the area are Taliban supporters (so I've been told by folks from India). Maybe BO is simply being "reasonably bigoted".  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I would really like to think that the Obama Presidency would drive the American people to raise their standards in their leaders. The mid-terms have given me a small bit of hope, but I don't expect much real change. I don't think we have actually realized how close to real totalitarianism we have strayed. | ||
| Teeps |
Ft_bstrd Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 10:47 am: I would really like to think that the Obama Presidency would drive the American people to raise their standards in their leaders. The mid-terms have given me a small bit of hope, but I don't expect much real change. I don't think we have actually realized how close to real totalitarianism we have strayed. +1 | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
I read it on the internet.....so it must be true :-( :-( Oh come on zip, how many sources do you need to see that disprove the sources you get your news from? How does finding it on largely credible sites on the internet make it less true than listening to radio or the news? Especially when the "news", regardless of your leanings or the source is blurred with opinion and agenda? I am not defending this presidency, only the truth. It cost plenty to fly G. W., Clinton, G.H.W.B. and Reagan around the world too. So with so much to discuss, disagree with, hate or even love - why blur your own opinions with statements that are factually not true? Peace brother, I am not the enemy! ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
The problem with calling this untrue is that we don't know the cost of the trip. Transparency would help. Totally agree with the need for transparency, unfortunately whomever came up with that number has none either. IMO it was intentionally ludicrous so that the WH would be put on the defensive about the cost instead of being allowed to put their positive spin on this trip. Nothing but political maneuvering and too many people blindly fall for it. Again I do not have an agenda here beyond the truth. I would have done the same for G.W. Just because you dislike this president is no reason to blindly accept any negative news about him or his administration is it? | ||
| Sifo |
Totally agree with the need for transparency, unfortunately whomever came up with that number has none either. IMO it was intentionally ludicrous so that the WH would be put on the defensive about the cost instead of being allowed to put their positive spin on this trip. Nothing but political maneuvering and too many people blindly fall for it. Again I do not have an agenda here beyond the truth. I would have done the same for G.W. Just because you dislike this president is no reason to blindly accept any negative news about him or his administration is it? I won't claim that I don't have a dislike for BO. He is clearly a habitual liar who has refused to take responsibility for anything that doesn't go well. On the issues of his travels, there's plenty of reason to dislike what he's done. He and Michelle have traveled with entourages that are much larger than past Presidents. They have shut down whole areas of major cities so that they can have a "date night". The press around the world has taken notice of these excesses. The exact price tag can certainly be argued, but I think it would be extremely difficult to come to the conclusion that he is in line with what past Presidents have done regarding these matters. Who else has had a hardened security tunnel built for them in a foreign country? Why is this trip even so necessary to demand all of this? What is on the agenda to be accomplished? I'm not saying that the President has to conduct all international business over the phone, but there really needs to be something big on the table before you are hauling this much crap around the world for a speech. (Message edited by SIFO on November 07, 2010) | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
He and Michelle have traveled with entourages that are much larger than past Presidents Possibly, but whether it is it necessary should be the discussion, not simply that "he is doing it and it is wrong because other presidents had smaller entourages". The press around the world has taken notice of these excesses. From what I can see they are only regurgitating the same story including the 34 warships that the pentagon has called absurd. Who else has had a hardened security tunnel built for them in a foreign country? Why is this trip even so necessary to demand all of this? What is on the agenda to be accomplished? Now you are getting to my point - this is where the discussion should be.  | ||
| Just_ziptab |
I read it on the internet.....so it must be true :-( :-( It's difficult to believe anything on the net.Email,forums,websites and all...have an agenda,hidden usually to entice the sheep........but it is entertaining and always raises a question. | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
Agreed zip, but why didn't you include TV news, radio and print? If it raises questions, and I agree it should, then why didn't you feel the need to question the validity of $200 million/day? I have a broken exhaust stud I have to go deal with..... Nice talking with you all.  Scott | ||
| Sifo |
From what I can see they are only regurgitating the same story including the 34 warships that the pentagon has called absurd. http://www.indianexpress.com/video/national/6/musl ims-dismissive-of-obamas-visit/3562 You and I must be getting different news sources. | ||
| Sifo |
Good luck with the exhaust stud. That's a local problem that needs to be fixed! | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Happy Red Oktobpe Revolution Day. The real communists should be offended at what obama is doing to their history. May he be haunted by the ghost of Stalin | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Agreed zip, but why didn't you include TV news, radio and print? That came from the link posted earlier in this thread..I knew it would be called out........  | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
They are actually making the comparison between BO and a TV news anchor. With those ears, more like a boat anchor. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
It's difficult to believe anything on the net.Email,forums,websites and all...have an agenda,hidden usually to entice the sheep........but it is entertaining and always raises a question. Hate to break it to you, but there aren't ANY news outlets that don't carry some sort of bias. The internet isn't any less credible that MSNBC or NPR. Did you see that Olbermann got canned? Even liberal bias has its limits. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
BBC, Jeremy. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
BS. It's just bias from a different direction. Can you honestly say that there were not a significant number of British journalist pressing the idea that the intel was "sexed up" way after it was determined that such evidence didn't exist? If you don't see the bias, it's probably because it reinforces your own. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Difficult that. I don't have any political bias one way or the other that I'm aware of as, politically, there's very little I give a crap about. My view is that they're all bunch of self serving weasels (with the odd exception here & there) whatever colour flag they're under. The BBC is still world renowned for it's even handed reporting, but if you're not willing to accept that, I'm not going to be able to change your mind. So we'll have to agree to differ. | ||
| Sifo |
I don't have any political bias one way or the other that I'm aware of as, politically, there's very little I give a crap about.  The BBC is still world renowned for it's even handed reporting, | ||
| Sifo |
We are biased, admit the stars of BBC News | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I hear the same defense of NPR. As I said, there is NO unbiased reporting. Every source has an agenda however slight it might be. | ||
| Britchri10 |
Every comment ever passed by anyone concerning anything ever was/is/will be tainted by one form of "bias" or another. The great (& worrying) thing about anyone & everyone is that their expressions are colored by their own individual biases whatever they do or say wherever they go. Welcome to the human race! BTW: BBC is biased IMHO! Also: Personally, I don't care much for politics in any way, shape or form! Chris C | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
You're a funny guy Sifo. I'm glad to see your irony filter is working, throwing in an article about BBC bias, a masterstroke, when you consider that the source is a right-wing tabloid.  |
