| Author | Message | ||
     Pwnzor |
Kid on back of motorcycle = Holocaust, Genocide, Fascism, Persecution Wow. That's rich. | ||
| Buellerandy |
Pwn, I believe that post was referring to what history has already proven when a community/ public turns a blind eye on itself. Not the fact a child was a passenger on a motorcycle. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Agreed. Put it in correlation to Jesus referring to the good Samaritan. Not everyone will find a wounded man on the side of the road. It was intended to make sure we looked out for those who cannot do so themselves. i.e. a child who doesn't know the danger a passenger with dangling legs is in on the back of a bike. The wheels the chain there is a lot that can go wrong in a hurry. | ||
| Patches |
"Bounce the Rev Limiter all over the Boss's Parking Lot... Priceless!!!" ?? RECKLESS DRIVING Wisconsin's laws make it illegal to operate a vehicle in a manner that is reckless, that shows disregard for people or property, or that may cause people to be injured or killed. The main purpose of Wisconsin's reckless driving law is to make it illegal to harm another person because of the manner in which a vehicle's operator is handling the vehicle, and the law may be applied when the vehicle is operated on an interstate, intrastate, county road, or local roads, as well as commercial property. http://www.vanwagnerwood.com/CM/Custom/RECKLESS_DR IVING.asp | ||
| Pwnzor |
Pwn, I believe that post was referring to what history has already proven when a community/ public turns a blind eye on itself. Not the fact a child was a passenger on a motorcycle. And yet, here they have been brought into a discussion about one person calling the cops on another to enforce their own PERSONAL judgement. No comparison whatsoever. That person now has to take time off from whatever work they do (if they're fortunate enough to be employed), go to court, be subjected to fines or worse. Think about it: The person calling the cops in has now put the defendant at financial disadvantage or WORSE. Do you or anyone else think that is going to help the child somehow? Really? To all the people who have never experienced our wonderful legal system from the business end: I hope that one day you have an experience that opens your eyes to reality. Koz, you DIDN'T HELP that child. All you did was piss off her parents. No matter what you think, all you did was elevate your own pedestal a little higher. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
pwnsor, you don't know me from adam so get off you pulpit. i thought you were a decent person but maybe i'm wrong. at least i know i don't ever have to worry about doing it cause i have great kids. | ||
| Pwnzor |
The wheels the chain there is a lot that can go wrong in a hurry. 1) That bike is shaft drive. 2) Take a close look, there is no way anything is getting caught in that wheel. The child is situated FORWARD of the rear wheel almost completely. 3) The child is holding on, and wearing a helmet. 4) They are traveling at an obviously sedate speed. I see no danger in the photograph, other than the obstruction of one person's freedom by another. | ||
| Pwnzor |
pwnsor, you don't know me from adam so get off you pulpit. i thought you were a decent person but maybe i'm wrong. I only know what you show me. I put myself out there on front street, everybody here who pays any attention practically knows my life story. I don't care what you think of me. I let my actions speak for themselves. Do you do the same? Or do you hide behind the hypocrisy of self-righteous indignation at your perceptions of others misguided behavior? Hmmm? | ||
| Wolf102 |
i shop at the walmart in the op's pic.i would have did the same thing (Message edited by wolf102 on October 12, 2010) (Message edited by wolf102 on October 12, 2010) | ||
| Pwnzor |
Oh, and Neil? Your profile picture shows you at The Dragon with a passenger in a crossed-up riding position deep in a corner. AND, your passenger is wearing JEANS! HOW DARE YOU! I'm calling the cops. (Message edited by pwnzor on October 12, 2010) | ||
| 99buellx1 |
Tell me how these things are different? Why, to you, are some people in need worthy of assistance while other people in need are not? | ||
| Pwnzor |
Tell me how these things are different? Why, to you, are some people in need worthy of assistance while other people in need are not? Please excuse my assumption that the reader would infer from my statement that the man being beaten was not being killed and was somewhat evenly matched. If the man weighs 90 lbs and is being beaten by a behemoth, then he falls into the "weak" category. Of course I'd do something about that. Do you see the difference? | ||
| 99buellx1 |
No, I don't see a difference. To me a person in need is a person in need. Regardless of their race, sex, size, shape, age. That male in your ass kicked scenario: He was just defending himself from an attacker that was trying to rob him, he later dies from a head injury that could have been avoided if you had stepped in. Leaves a wife, 2 kids and a family. I know I would feel terrible after something like that. But, to you, since they were "evenly matched" he didn't deserve any assitance. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Sometimes in life, a man takes a beating. A careful man with a family to consider does his best to avoid these situations. Life is, at times, very hard. Nobody ever said it was fair. Who is to say that if I jump in between two men fighting that I'm not the one who ends up dying? Do I not also have a family to consider? People on this board are well acquainted with the mistakes I've made. I sat in prison for a year and gave them careful consideration, while using the time to benefit others each and every day while my own family suffered in my absence. You're assuming the man with the advantage is a robber. You may even be assuming he has a weapon. You are reading way too much into the analogy. There are, at any one time, dozens or perhaps hundreds of factors to be considered before taking any action. Koz had plenty of time to consider his actions, blocking in another citizen's vehicle and calling the cops in was a premeditated act. He extended his own version of ethics onto another person. He didn't care enough to make a citizen's arrest, but was employing a cause and effect mentality to a situation he felt was somehow within his realm to mete judgment upon another person. Actions that occur in the heat of the moment are tough to equate with ones that are cold and calculated. (Message edited by pwnzor on October 12, 2010) | ||
| Buellerandy |
Pwn I'd rather he used his judgement to atleast confront the operator rather than leave it up to her poor judgement to further endanger a passenger that couldn't reach the pegs to atleast maintain stability. I don't believe anything bad would have happened on her cruise back home, but just the same, for the sake of the kid, atleast have a helmet that will actually stay on their brain in the event of a misfortune. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Pwn I'd rather he used his judgement to atleast confront the operator Confronting the operator in a civil manner would be something I'd say is well within the realm of acceptability. Calling the cops is not. "To protect and serve" is not the same as "To persecute at the whim of another". | ||
| Pwnzor |
I'd love to stay and debate this all day, but I've got to get to the DMV and then down to the office. So flame on, I'll get to you all later. | ||
| 99buellx1 |
Ahh, and back to my point. What makes the fight between those two men different from women, elderly to otherwise? You could die from a strike in any of those situations, and you also don't know the reasoning for those other situations. Yet you are judging that since the fighters are men that neither are worthy of your assistance.
And you're assuming that he is not, and that he does not have a weapon. Again, no difference. Heck we wouldn't know if the original attacker is the one now losing the fight. Never even said one guy was winning over the other. There are no winners. A HUMAN in need, is a HUMAN in need. That child was in need. Koz did the right thing that HE needed to do. If that lady had rode off after you (anyone) had looked at them thinking "•••••••, that's not safe", yet done nothing, and the child fell off, would you not then wish you had stepped in to assist? Why is it that something terrible has to happen before people take action? Taking action helps to avoid the terrible scenario that nobody wants to be in or witness. | ||
| Koz5150 |
Well, I am not going to get into everyone's "What If" stuff. All I want to say is this. 1. All I did was report something I felt was wrong. Had the cop said there was no issue I would have respected their decision. 2. I may be more sensitive towards young children since I have one. I have been in a hospital with my child and funerals for others and it is the worst feeling in the world. 3. If this motorcylist doesn't know the laws here, then maybe she shouldn't be driving a bike. A license is a privlage, not a right. 4. Patches - Yeah, I could also get a ticket for doing a burnout in a parking lot. Had someone reported me I guess I would have to accept that responsibility. However, it was on me, I didn't do it with my kid on the back of the bike. Besides, if you are going to start your kid out on a bike, do it the right way...  | ||
| Koz5150 |
No that is not her bike and No she didn't ride it so don't go all helmet crazy. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
so what did i show you pwnsor. that i'm going around a bend. like i said, you don't know me from adam but your quick to judge others by a comment. you sound like nancy pelosi in referring others to what was it, un-american because we didn't believe how she believed. you keep on helping those criminals instead of helping those people that were affected by those criminals. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
"To protect and serve" is not the same as "To persecute at the whim of another". And this underlines a personal issue you have that impedes your ability to deal with this situation objectively. To equate a concerned citizen asking a peace officer to intervene where an unsafe, illegal action involving a minor is occurring to "persecution at the whim of another" shows a paranoid, slightly warped sense of reality. Whatever reasons you have for your views are your business, but you must realize that when an opinion is shared that is so outside the norms of rational social behavior people will react to it. I don't believe anyone here is trying to denigrate you, rather we're trying to understand why you taken such an odd perspective on this situation. It obviously has to do with some deleterious experiences in your past- and that's unfortunate. I sincerely hope that you can accept that it's not a widely held belief that law enforcement's purpose is to be a negative, oppressive force whose aim it is to subjugate citizens. In fact, for most it's quite the opposite. | ||
| Reindog |
C'mon people, keep it civil, as everyone here has good intentions. | ||
| Xl1200r |
You know, that may have been that woman's only option. If that's the case, then the woman does not have the resources to be a responsible parent. End of story. "Mind your own business." Really? If you saw a drunk driver, you'd just let them go on since they didn't smash into you? I've called the cops on a drunk driver. They didn't hit me or anyone else, and probably got home just fine before the cops found them. Maybe they got a DUI and lost their license and learned something. Maybe they just got pissed and learned nothing. If I didn't do anything, there wouldn't have even been a chance to learn something. Let me just take this opportunity to advise you that remaining outside my immediate vicinity would be in your best interests. Don't make comments like this and then spout off about how Christian you are, giving communion and baptisms. You sound silly. Also, a veiled personal threat because his opinion doesn't jive with yours? What makes your opinion so superior other than the fact that it's yours? If I see a man getting his ass kicked by another man, that's none of my business. If I see a woman getting beaten, raped, etc., that is my business. I swore a solemn oath at age 18 to protect the elderly, the weak, and women at any cost or risk of personal physical harm. This scenario has been discussed already. My opinion has already been argued by others so I'll leave it be. My issue is with the last phrase, "at any cost or risk of personal physical harm". And then you say this: Who is to say that if I jump in between two men fighting that I'm not the one who ends up dying? Do I not also have a family to consider? You're entitled to your own opinion, just be consistent with it. | ||
| Court |
Interesting thread. | ||
| Koz5150 |
You know, that may have been that woman's only option. sorry, that doesn't fly with me. Addressed earlier in the thread, but basicly there is nothing at Wal-art or any other store that is so important that you put a kid on a bike. And if it is, then you find a neighbor or womeone to help you since you are in such a huge emergency. | ||
| Reindog |
These are facts: 1. The woman (presumably the child's mother) was breaking the law. 2. The woman was endangering the health and safety of the child. 3. The child's helmet did not fit. 4. Koz had a decision to make: a. Do nothing. b. Personally intervene. c. Allow a LEO to intervene. The rest is opinion. I believe Koz did exactly the right thing. No one on Badweb is an angel but the only important factor in this incident is the health and safety of the child. Period. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
hmmm I have mixed emotions with this. I think the only problem I have with it is that she did this in what appears to be heavy traffic. I have taken my little cousins for rides on my bike though it was on a street that is never busy and I did not go any faster than maybe 30 tops. I also remember being a little kid riding with my grand father and those are some of the best memories I could ever ask for so in that aspect I am glad no one stopped him from me riding but it was also not very far and I sat on the tank and again it was not in heavy traffic. | ||
| 86129squids |
Great quote from Kant. Studied him back in skewl, fried my brain for the most part, but still passed the course... Glad we all care about innocent kids' safety/wellbeing... | ||
| Fresnobuell |
"Mind your own business!" I agree with the lady. YOu really called the cops? C'mon man. Get a life. Doesn't anyone get sick of the government (and in case a guy with nothing better to do) telling you how to live your life? A few decades ago no one would have looked twice at this situation cause in reality it isn't a big deal. Now you have someone one a cell phone calling the cops while she's shopping in the store. } |
