| Author | Message | ||
     Budgolf |
And being able to reach the pegs properly when getting rear ended by a cage is going to help that kid in what way? | ||
| Pwnzor |
I just noticed that she was riding my old bike.  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I hate that we have to have laws so that people without common sense will know when it is safe to put their kids on a motorcycle. The law is unnecessary. In the old days, stupid people killed their children and cleansed the gene pool. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Pwnzor: it looks like that bike just took a dump. Starting to see why US youths have such problems with self worth. Better learn to look out for yourself at the age of three. And the cheap biker tat argument? Can't think of anybody I know in that category that would do something like this. Guess it could happen. | ||
| Froggy |
I also am in the "Who cares/mind your own business" camp. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Sad, really... like the people who walk right by the person lying unconscious on a sidewalk. Thankfully, there are many people in this world who think of more than just themselves. The best part is- even those who could care less stand a good chance of being helped by those they deride when they find themselves in need. It's a karma thing... not everyone would understand. | ||
| Cycleaddict |
yep , MYOB please. a conversation with child "owner" is o.k. but calling the cops i think was wayyyy overboard . | ||
| Chadhargis |
I have a soon to be 6yo who is begging me to ride. I ride her around on my scooter with her sitting between my legs where I can keep her safe, but there is NO WAY I'd put her on my motorcycle. She can't reach the pegs, and as was mentioned above, she doesn't understand the consequences of falling off. I don't know that I'd have called the cops on the lady, but I'd certainly think her an idiot and say a prayer for their safety. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
And those proud of their malevolent attitude are pitiable... | ||
| Pwnzor |
Ask anybody who conducted a prison ministry about minding their own business sometime. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Redbuell, I sometimes think that people take contrary positions just for the sake of doing so. It's the same as the handful of people I know whose typical response to most things they hear is "that's BS!". It must be based on some underlying issues or unfortunate experiences. Either way- it's sad. To think my thoughts, opinions, and beliefs were written merely to be contrarian is insulting. It is true my past helps shape my views and actions. But I have not and do not make light of my beliefs, or share parts of my past to play Mary, Mary... To pass what I or anyone has to say off to this is to have a closed mind yourself. Does it happen, yes. And after reading what people have to say you can usually tell if that's the case. But then some obviously can't, or won't take the time to think about it. Your judgment that our attitudes are malevolent and pitiable, are out of line and incorrect. Malevolent is an evil word, with evil connotations. Try knowing the definitions of words before accusing others of that offense. What I find pitiable is your seeming assurance that, "It's a karma thing... not everyone would understand." Is it your thought that those who do not agree with you, or believe as you do, are ignorant and just don't understand? Are you so enlightened as to know that "we" do not understand Karma?, because that is your implication. Why have you chosen to hurl insults? Is it based on some underlying issues or unfortunate experiences. Either way- it's sad. Kyrocket, I do not consider myself anti-safety. I do believe the woman was in the wrong. I also believe that once I chose to interfere, which I do not take lightly at all, how I go about it is very important. To do so in a positive way, that will do the most good, goes the farthest in making a lasting solution. If it's my way, or I'm calling the cops, I mind my own business. | ||
| Blake |
Velcro would seem appropriate. | ||
| Bishopjb1124 |
Honestly what is the difference in riding the kid around in the neighbor hood and what this lady is doing. Many of the hypocrites on here have came out and admitted they ride their kids/nieces and nephews around in a neighborhood. When was the last time any of you saw a controlled crash were you could protect yourself much less a passenger? Right or wrong is not my place to judge this lady or the OP. Presentation is everything and if you came off overbearing and she went on the defense I do not blame her. Jimmy | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
Just two days ago I gave my 5 year old niece a short ride around town on the back of the XT. Her feet couldn't reach the pegs. I wouldn't have done it on the X1, but I felt that the grab rails and back rest offered her enough security to be safe. I applaud you for speaking up in defense of a child you perceived as being in danger. Calling the cops though - that's an @sshole move. As previously mentioned, that ticket only benefited the police department's bank account and your own pride. "Sad, really... like the people who walk right by the person lying unconscious on a sidewalk. Thankfully, there are many people in this world who think of more than just themselves." Sorry, that scenario is in no way related to what happened. Do you pull over to assist the Paramedics every time you pass the scene of an accident? Of course not, because someone has already assumed responsibility for the defenseless person's care. That mother, despite what you may think of her parenting habits, is responsible for her daughter's well-being. (Message edited by pkforbes87 on October 12, 2010) | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
A smile, a polite "Word to the wise.." conversation with the parent, then butt out. Would have been sufficient. Calling the law was over the top, it's not as if the law haven't got better things to do either. | ||
| Cowboy |
I see on your profile that you have rode your bike 125 MPH. Would you be happy to have your profile sent to the local police dept. | ||
| Court |
Sometime you just don't know and need to get an outside opinion as to if something is right or wrong . . . I had two guys who were slicing and dicing in traffic on the Garden State Parkway and scaring the hell out of motorists. As the one on the R1 went by on the back wheel I used a 200mm lens to get a spectacular photo of his wheelie, the heavy traffic he was splitting through, his gorgeous mug with the half helmet and his license plate clear as day. I simply printed an 11" x 17" glossy and mailed to his insurance company with my personal opinion. I'm sure they knew what to do. Idiots should not endanger other innocent people. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
koz, you did what you thought was right. you have my respect. if my daughter took my granddaughter on the road illegally, she has no doubt i would call the cops on her. but she has also been hit on my m2 and didn't have all her gear on just because she was just going down the street about a mile and a half. she knows what can happen in an instant.hopefully she won't make that mistake again. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Wow.... calling the cops on your own family..... Let me just take this opportunity to advise you that remaining outside my immediate vicinity would be in your best interests. I'll wear a name tag for your convenience. | ||
| Kyrocket |
"It amazes me that people get all wrapped up in the freaking law. Screw the law. The law is stupid." I never said the law was right, wrong or indifferent. It's the law. If Wis. law states that a passenger must, not should, MUST touch the pegs then their feet must touch the pegs to be legal. Black and white, case closed. If you, or anyone else, want to ride around illegal then by all means do so but be aware a LEO can ticket you for being illegal. Most people only want the laws there when they're convenient to them anyway. If you don't like the rules then lobby to have them changed. "And being able to reach the pegs properly when getting rear ended by a cage is going to help that kid in what way?" That's my point exactly, we can coulda, shoulda, woulda this scenario to death but just out of curiosity (and we'll never know) how many of the "screw the laws" camp would flip flop had this girl been rear ended? I would say IF mother (if it is in fact her mother) had followed that pesky law her child wouldn't have been there in the first place. Accidents happen, happen all the time but how often do you hear on the news; high speed was suspected in the crash, alcohol may have been a factor...? Those damn pesky laws. | ||
| Drkside79 |
I simply printed an 11" x 17" glossy and mailed to his insurance company with my personal opinion. How the heck did you know what insurance company he had? | ||
| 99buellx1 |
So, if say that person was on fire it's not YOUR business either. Nice. You sound like the same jackhole that drove past me as I was waving them down because I needed someone to call 911 after my motorcycle accident. I will pray that you aren't in dire need of assistance at some point in your life and the first person on the scene is another you. | ||
| Drkside79 |
@ Cowboy how do you know the 125 wasn't on the track? | ||
| Drkside79 |
I can't believe the backlash on this one. He did what he thought was right. I happen to agree with him. Would I have called the cops.... Not sure but I applaud him for doing it. | ||
| Bking |
We all do stupid things. Calling the cops was out of line. | ||
| Koz5150 |
Budgolf, I would have called the cops if the girl was on the back of a patched gang members bike. However in the interest of my own family (mainly my 3 year old daughter who was with me) I would not have confronted the guy. It's the Police's job to enforce the law, not mine. However it is every citizens responsibility to take care of their community. You always hear about how people say "Back in my day we didn't have kids (and adults) acting like they do now. Swearing in public, cutting people off, basicly no civil manors". I believe that is because we have so many people that believe that it is their right to do what ever they want. Also I believe that with all the new forms of communication: texting, blogs, youtube... people don't know how to have a 1 on 1 conversation anymore. Part of being able to converse is to evaluate what you are saying and what is being said to you with more then just words. Body language, voice tone, volume all comes into play. I think most people today don't know how to handle that. Finally I think people today overall are just plain selfish. Our society (America) pumps it into us 24x7 through advertising products about how you "deserve" this and that. It's to the point now where people pretty much believe the world is here to serve them. Well, how do you talk to someone like that and tell explain to them that the child is more important then they are? It's a hard pill for them to swallow without getting defensive. So that is why in today's society you have to call a cop. In a better world, I wouldn't have had to because 1. the parent would have known better and 2. other citizens would have talked to her before I did. Your world is what you make it, turn a blind eye to things that are wrong, and they won't go away, they will just get worse. | ||
| Koz5150 |
On a side note, I wonder how many people here have just been educated to the law? Looks like this incident has affected more then just this Mom and child... And by the way, I am the same guy who has walked out into the street in front of my house, flagged down cars, and asked them to not fly through my neighborhood faster then the 25 mph speed limit. | ||
| Pwnzor |
So, if say that person was on fire it's not YOUR business either. Nice. You sound like the same jackhole that drove past me as I was waving them down because I needed someone to call 911 after my motorcycle accident. I will pray that you aren't in dire need of assistance at some point in your life and the first person on the scene is another you. Let me get this straight. You're saying that a child on the back of a motorcycle is somehow the same as a person trapped in a fire? The child was not in imminent danger, in my OPINION. A person trapped in a fire is in imminent danger, in my OPINION. If I see a man getting his ass kicked by another man, that's none of my business. If I see a woman getting beaten, raped, etc., that is my business. I swore a solemn oath at age 18 to protect the elderly, the weak, and women at any cost or risk of personal physical harm. So, tell me how these things are the same? I stop at the scene of motorcycle accidents if I witness the actual accident. I also stop if it is obvious that nobody else has stopped or the rider is incapacitated, OR if the rider happens to be alone in an area with no cell phone reception. It's the right thing to do. I'm NOT going to call the cops on him for riding too fast, even if I saw him wheelie into the guard rail. If you're waving me down, yes, I'll stop. The kid wasn't waving anybody down, and the parent was obviously riding slowly out of a parking lot. Tell me again how these things are the same? Me stopping to HELP somebody somehow equates to me calling the COPS to hassle them? Once again, tell me how these things are the same? So I'm a "jackhole" now. Tell that to the thousands of men I gave communion to in prison (spending my own commissary money). Tell that to the four men I baptised in there. Tell that to the dozens I met who were falsely accused and were scared out of their minds being on a maximum security yard and had no idea what was going to happen to them. I have a long history of putting myself at personal risk for the benefit of others. Take your self serving judgmental opinions of who I am and turn them into useful energy, why don't you? | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
I choose my words carefully, and understand their meanings. Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I'm sharing mine. I do not think highly of those who choose a "mind your own business" attitude when other people's immediate safety is at risk- especially the most vulnerable members of society. I am reminded of the statement by Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) when reading some of the responses posted here: "They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up." This is where the "mind your own business" philosophy can lead you. And, in my opinion, when individuals choose apathy in disregard for known consequences they are exhibiting malevolent behavior. Sorry if some feel "judged", I'm just stating my opinion. I can empathize, though- I personally would feel better thinking I had been "judged" for being altruistic as opposed to being callous. That's just me, though... | ||
| Kyrocket |
"We all do stupid things." Amen to that! When my friends and I get to reminiscing we often wonder how we're still in this life. But when we were being stupid it was more often than not just endangering ourselves. If I did something mindless to endanger the lives of one of my kids I hope Koz is there to point it out. I'd wager a bet my wife would point it out long before though. "I can't believe the backlash on this one." I can. People are passionate about what they believe and on many levels I agree with them. I don't think all laws were the best thought out but they are the law and I have to live with it. Seat belts being one. I can legally ride a motorcycle sans helmet down a freeway at 70 mph and no one will blink an eye but if I drive my car 25 mph w/o a seatbelt then I can (probably not) but I can get a ticket. I don't agree with that 100% but I wear it anyway. Those damn pesky laws. |
