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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The different races, how did they come about?

I have a agnostic and a bible thumper at my place of work... fun fun


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Not_purple_s2
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Apparently it had something to do with a big ass tower and God getting pissed cause people were trying to crash his cloud party. So he smited those bitches with various languages and such so that they couldn't ever work together again. Then he scattered them all over the earth.
Proving for once and for all that God doesn't want people to come together and work in peace and harmony. And he definately doesn't want anyone getting into heaven unless they're dead.


FYI: the language they were all speaking to begin with was English of course.
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Babired
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

you could go the atheist way and say we are all fragments of an exploded super nova millions of years ago : )
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Kyrocket
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We talkin' race or religion? You didn't offer up the race of the agnostic or the bible thumper. You know what happens when we assume.

Sorry, a news crew was outside and I had to go look and be nosey. Knocked me down a few on the thread.

(Message edited by Kyrocket on October 08, 2010)
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B00stzx3
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Whites came from hostile terrain in the "Caucus" region with harsh weather, hence why we don't have dark skin (little sun exposure). Dark skinned people came from more forgiving climates and could be out in the sun more.

Learned that in some class long long ago.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We talkin' race or religion? Kinda


You didn't offer up the race of the agnostic or the bible thumper
Whitey's but that shouldn't matter in this topic


Apparently it had something to do with a big ass tower I don't remember reading that one minute he was a black guy and the next he was asian... I thought they just start talk'n funny
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I dunno but there seems to be a built-in need to hate people that arent just like us. Even among people that look the same to outsiders they break themselves down into tribes and commence killing one another.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We are all one race. Human.


Why does nobody get this?
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Many believe that dark skinned races are descendants of Canaan, Noah's grandson (Ham's son)

This biblical story has been used by many in history to justify slavery and the inhumaine treatment of dark-skinned races. Although it is obvious that Canaan was cursed and his descendants destined for slavery, it is important to note that Jesus himself was part of the Cannan's lineage. Rahab was a Canaanite, and is listed in the genealogy of Christ in Matthew chapter 1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham

Genesis 9:20-27

After the flood, Noah began to cultivate the ground, and he planted a vineyard. One day he drank some wine he had made, and he became drunk and lay naked inside his tent. Ham, the father of Canaan, saw that his father was naked and went outside and told his brothers. Then Shem and Japheth took a robe, held it over their shoulders, and backed into the tent to cover their father. As they did this, they looked the other way so they would not see him naked.

When Noah woke up from his stupor, he learned what Ham, his youngest son, had done. Then he cursed Canaan, the son of Ham:

“May Canaan be cursed!
May he be the lowest of servants to his relatives.”

Then Noah said,

“May the Lord, the God of Shem, be blessed,
and may Canaan be his servant!
May God expand the territory of Japheth!
May Japheth share the prosperity of Shem, and may Canaan be his servant.”
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I dunno but there seems to be a built-in need to hate people that arent just like us. Like them F'n Harley Riders...
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Also, that "big ass tower" aka "Babel" had nothing to do with race. When the tower fell, those around it suddenly spoke different languages but the Bible mentions nothing about a change of race.

Genesis 11:5-8

But the Lord came down to look at the city and the tower the people were building. “Look!” he said. “The people are united, and they all speak the same language. After this, nothing they set out to do will be impossible for them! Come, let’s go down and confuse the people with different languages. Then they won’t be able to understand each other.”

In that way, the Lord scattered them all over the world, and they stopped building the city.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In the dispersion families were grouped together and for the most part migrated in one general direction. To illustrate, the following is a selected list of names from the genealogies of each of Noah's sons with the general geographical location associated with each, from the historical record.

The Descendants of Japheth: The Indo-European of western Asia and of Europe. (Gen. 10:2-4)

Gomer: Probably the Cimmerians which are mentioned by Homer as the people of the far north (Odys. xl. 14). They are believed to be identical with the Cimmerians of Roman times and the Cymry of Wales.12

Magog: Josephus and Greek writers generally relate them as the Scythians of Southern Europe. Also associated with the Tartars of Russia.13

Madai: Medes who lived in area of Caspian Sea.14

Javan: Comes from the term Ionian which means Greeks.

The Descendants of Ham: The Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans and Canaanites. Gen. 10:6-20.

Cush: Peoples of central and Southern Arabia.15 &nbshp; The Ethiopians are shown as being inhabitants of both sides of the Red Sea. Also, they had a skin of a different appearance. (Jer. 13:23) Pictures on monuments show that they were a mixed race, some Negro, some Semite and some Caucasian.16 This is a very important fact and will be referred to later.

Mizraim: Refers to areas of upper and lower Nile River of Egypt thus a reference to Egyptians.

Phut: Generally associated with the Egyptians and more specifically Libya.17

Canaan: The area settled by Canaan and his sons was west of the River Jordan. His first born

Sidon (Zidon) name stood for the whole Phoenician coast.18

The Descendants Shem: The peoples of the Middle East and Southern Asia. Gen. 10:21-32.

Eber: Abraham was the sixth generation of Eber who settled in Mesopotamia in the area of Ur of the Chaldees (Gen. 11).

Elam: Geographically the region beyond the Tigris River, east of Babylonia. The Elamites became a strong nation and were recognized as sovereign by the Babylonian states.19

Asshur: The Assyrians of the head waters of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.

Lud: The Lydians of Asia Minor.

Aram: Aramaeans of Syria and Mesopotamia.


As Noah's decedents migrated from the Middle East after the Tower of Babel, their numbers grew smaller as they extended further out. As the groups grew smaller, close kin inter-married and the certain genes within the gene pool became dominate, while others became latent. Within a few generations these genes produced the skin color, hair color and texture, bone structure and other physical characteristics that made each group distinctive within its isolated geographical area. Generally, the people of northern Europe were white. South Africans were black. People of the Middle East and the Far East were yellow.
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Delta_one
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

I dunno but there seems to be a built-in need to hate people that arent just like us. Even among people that look the same to outsiders they break themselves down into tribes and commence killing one another.




I wish this weren't so true

but After the millitary everybody is either Green Camo or Blue
I was Air Force (hence the Blue) when Jungle Camo was still the standard (hence the green) But as a base we were all red; we were all Americans (for the most part my roommate was from England) there for the same purpose.

somewhere while I was in the Marines went digital but that was about it, but now our own military feels the need to separate from one another while in Battle Dress Uniforms (are the new uniforms even called BDU's anymore?)


but enough of the sidetrack

can we say it was Darwin and his birds fault?
or maybe we can please everybody and say god used evolution as a tool?

(Message edited by delta_one on October 08, 2010)
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Buellkowski
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 Pwnzor. "Race" is a social construct. What we might call "racial differences" are virtually irrelevant, genetically speaking. However, those outward differences have segregated groups into various social strata over the millennia. Language and religion differences contributed to further segregation/isolation.

Populations that breed within their own territories tend to exhibit similar traits over time, influenced by natural random mutations and environmental factors.

The National Geographic Society has been sponsoring a large public genetic sampling project for the last few years. Send them a swab from your mouth and they'll send you a report detailing your ancestral genetic markers and where they geographically came from.

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/
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86129squids
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a thing for redheads- especially tall ones...
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Not_purple_s2
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jeeze, I was just being light hearted, hence "God smited those bitches" If you couldn't tell that wasn't an actual argument, I just thought it was funny.
I wouldn't try to use anything out of the Bible as a basis for logical argument.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Apparently it had something to do with a big ass tower

I think that is what you are talking about.... but that is/was something that was brought up here... at work

Even if you are joking(and I think its funny)... some people aren't and that hurts my head
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Fast1075
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I fit none of those...I am an accident from a Ferengi/Klingon porn movie gone bad.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Tower of Babel incident came chronologically AFTER the flood.

Race is a function of selective breeding over time. When groups are physically isolated without the introduction of new genetic material, genetic mutations become dominant trait and are enforced through selective breeding.

Hatred is human nature. Race isn't the cause. Race is merely provides the ability to determine hatred strictly by visual cues.

The same thing happens every year in the SEC. People who cheer for one team and who have always liked you will immediately treat you differently if they find out you cheer for their rival school.

Happens also in political discussions.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

now we're talk'n


GO BUCKS !!!
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Ted
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i'm with kowski, environmental causes.

(as opposed to some fictional deity.)
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B00stzx3
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Where did Cowboys, Steelers and Yankees fans come from? Gonna stay away from those places!
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Slaughter
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What TRULY matters is which beer you choose to drink.

Pilsner, bock, ales (of all sorts), are all good.

LITE beer drinkers are damned. It's not too late to save yourselves, LITE drinkers... REPENT!
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Delta_one
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am falked

I dont drink beer, cheer for sports teams, or fall into any one race....
But I don't ride a wildly popular motorcycle either tho so...
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Ourdee
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 Pwnzor...
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Azxb9r
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One day, a long time ago, some guy looked at another guy and said "I'm faster than you". The first race was running. During the time since then, races have developed between bicycles, motorcycles,cars, boats, airplanes, etc.

It all stems from mans need to be faster than the other guy.
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Slaughter
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 05:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I always tried being faster than the other guys but maybe that's why I could never get a second date?
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 06:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm with Pwnzor & Ourdee on this one.


Ain't found one that wasn't pink on the inside yet!

And believe me I've looked.
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Etennuly
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 08:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WELL it is like this. Road racers generally happened to live near road courses and because of their proximity to said race courses they began racing road bikes.

Then there became racers with places to go, so they became cross country racers, sometimes referred to as iron butt racers.

Then there were dirt racers, they tended to come from more rural areas with lots of dirt trails that someone eventually turned into a competition which required a little control so they carved a track into the wilderness there in the making of dirt racers.

Then there came the motoX racers. Younglings who by the nature of their new fangled suspension and super light bikes, needed to fly. Air time became the show, so there from comes the race of supercross.

Later there were folks who having found large displacement dual sport bikes could go fast on pavement, but needed to keep the road guys out of their program, so they threw in a half track of dirt and jumps and there began supermotard race.


There are more races.....but I don't have all day.

What was the question?
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86129squids
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 09:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Vern you forgot this race...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akaanteVCs4&feature =related
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