| Author | Message | ||
     Elvis |
Erik Buell has always indicated an interest in making bikes that people can afford, so I think that will be coming, but he needs to walk before he can run. I suspect that everything he'll be doing with the 1190RS will be done with an eye toward scaling up and putting everything in place that will be required for future higher volume production and distribution and lower-cost bikes. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Erik Buell has always indicated an interest in making bikes that people can afford Everything I've heard from the man seams he likes giving the gift of motorcycling. This first round maybe out of my price range but I bet it wont be long until he has them priced in my ballpark | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
well i talked to Erik Buell Racing and all they said was it was going to be VERY expensive and VERY limited production run.. FWIW Jake | ||
| Ponti1 |
What are the quantities for homologation in the various racing series? I would think their production run should at least include that many? Maybe a poor assumption, but I would figure ultimate goal is still to support the race effort. | ||
| Hughlysses |
What are the quantities for homologation in the various racing series? I would think their production run should at least include that many? Maybe a poor assumption, but I would figure ultimate goal is still to support the race effort. When Geoff May was interviewed a couple of months ago, that's what he said the intention was: to produce a street-legal Erik Buell Racing 1190 so that they could use it in Superbike racing next year. | ||
| Ponti1 |
I guess AMA Superbike has no real quantity required. Just need to provide them all sorts of other stuff: 1. Homologation Fees American SuperBike- $500.00 Please enclose check for proper amount with application. 2. Production and Importation Minimum Requirements AMA Pro Racing American SuperBike motorcycles must be street certified for use in the United States and be available at the time of competition through U.S. retail outlets as determined by the homologating manufacturer. There must be sufficient quantity available such that any AMA Pro Racing licensed competitor wanting to buy one for racing purposes can do so in a timely fashion. Each unit must be assembled or the chassis partially disassembled for shipping purposes only. Motorcycles must be available in dealerships by June 1st of the current season. After June 1st, manufacturers must maintain availability of models homologated for the current season for sale to any AMA Pro Racing licensed road race competitor until August 1st of the current season. This applies unless the manufacturer can supply documented proof that the units imported to the US as the minimum requirement were sold to North American customers before June 1st of the current season. 3. Sample Parts and Information The following items must be supplied to AMA Pro Racing by the manufacturer / distributor for technical identification purposes. The manufacturer / distributor is required to make all efforts possible to deliver the parts and information to the AMA Pro Racing office no later than 30 days prior to the first event that the new model will compete in. If the parts and information have not been delivered to the AMA Pro Racing within 30 days prior to the first event that the new model will compete in, the motorcycle used in competition may be impounded until they are available. A. One complete motorcycle with production VIN. B. Fully dimensioned drawings (same as FIM) with production tolerances of the following: - Main frame - Throttle body - Crankcase - Crankshaft - Cylinder head - Camshafts - Fuel tank - Fairing and bodywork C. Printed color photos approximately 8x10 inches showing both sides with and without bodywork, and front and rear with bodywork D. Factory service manual E. Factory parts list (hard copy) F. Factory sales brochures (2) Also, it is requested, but not required, that each manufacturer has available one additional street version of the homologated model for display and marketing purposes at each event. All shipping costs, both to and from, of parts or machines are the responsibility of the manufacturer/distributor. | ||
| Jaimec |
Well that cuts me out... We'll see which comes first: An affordable Erik Buell Racing Street Bike, or the 2010 BMW K1600GTL. The money's just burning a hole in my pocket at the moment. | ||
| Xb9er |
Then they must just be doing this to get into different racing classes and then later on get down and dirty into production. Court, what happend to the people that were ready to sign checks to buy Buell after the announcement of shutting down Buell. It's time for then to spend some money. I sold my xb so I got room for a new ebr machine | ||
| Buellkowski |
We'll see which comes first: An affordable Erik Buell Racing Street Bike, or the 2010 BMW K1600GTL. Gee, that's a lot of (expensive) moving parts.  Less is more.   | ||
| Augustus74 |
So, how different is the 1190 expected to be from the 1125?? Just more power? As of yet unseen innovations? full fairings/forward facing radiators? | ||
| Augustus74 |
Ok, maybe that should be - how different will it be from the 1190RR they currently sell? (i was hoping for a bike more like the Barracuda) | ||
| Peyote |
 sign me up Erik Buell Racing !!! | ||
| Sifo |
Not meaning to be a Debbie Downer here, but there's something I don't understand here. Aren't all of the Erik Buell Racing bikes just reworked Buell 1125s? What happens when the supply of 1125 bikes dries up? HD still owns the patents on everything Buell, don't they. It's not like Erik Buell Racing can actually start production on any of their current offerings, can they? Surely street versions of the 1190 will be of a minimum quantity to get it homologated. Am I missing something here? | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
Ponti1 is correct, there is no minimum quantity specified by AMA for Superbike. I think, like the 1125RR, it comes down to a bit of negotiation to what they would deem acceptable. My impression is that racing the 1190 in AMA Pro Superbike in 2011 is at the very top of Erik Buell Racing's priority list. If they build a limited run of bikes and get them homologated they can race *very* competitively (podium finishes) in 2011, which will give them the exposure, which helps attract the investment, which allows them to build the next round of (more affordable) street bikes, which allows them to expand and build up staff numbers, and race more, and build more bikes, and take over the world... ok, maybe not the last bit. I think I need a cup of tea. Ooh, shiny... | ||
| Spike240sx |
From my understanding, HD has no rights to the 1190R. It is a dimensionally different motorcycle. Thinner, Lighter, Updated materials, Etc. I think that What lemonchilli said fits it to the "T". Go racing + Kick ass+ Win Big = Investors knocking on your door "I hope its BRP" All this would fit easily into a master plan for new street machines that are produced in enough numbers for us common folk to afford with out selling off a kidney or wife. Erik has always been good about keeping things under wraps until the time was right. Following him and seeing what he has done in the past has us all wishing and dreaming about what will be next. He has yet to under deliver and disappoint us. I think the future that we all dream of with Erik will come sooner than we all think. And I'm impatient as hell! | ||
| Sifo |
From the Erik Buell Racing site...
(Message edited by SIFO on September 08, 2010) | ||
| Badlionsfan |
This isn't the 1190rr we're talking about, it's an 1190rs. How much different will it be from the rr? Stand by. | ||
| Sifo |
Isn't the 1190rs a street legal version of the 1190rr to meet the homologation rules? Certainly the have to share the same frame, don't they? | ||
| Ratbuell |
I think its awesome, and I wish I could shake the man's hand to wish him luck. Maybe someone I know could call him for me and give him my best  Is it just me, or would an Erik Buell Racing 1190RS look right at home in a showroom with a Spyder, a Ski-Doo, some Sea-Doo's, and a handful of Renegades and Outlanders? Lessee...that gives us, all under one roof: ATV's UTV's Jetskis Street/sport trikes Snowmobiles and now....high performance MOTORCYCLES. Hmmm. | ||
| Court |
>>>What are the quantities for homologation in the various racing series? You're getting warm. Stop thinking price. Think elasticity of demand. | ||
| Johntman |
So... You're telling me to build enough to get it homlogated for racing... then loose money selling them to get people wanting more... so a company will invest, and then there will be more built and money made in the long run. Loose money to make money, or the old saying that it takes money to make money  | ||
| Froggy |
Maybe, maybe not. I think Buell is going to use this RS model to unveil quite a bit of new stuff they have had in the works, and get them approved for racing. Things like new wheels for example. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I could be talked into wringing out a demo on a daily-grind basis. Consider it beta-testing Traffic, rain, sun, hot, cold, wet, dry... Wonder how one will behave when it's cold enough to need heated clothing? | ||
| Sifo |
I think that any affordable street bike from Erik Buell Racing will have to be based on a brand new chassis. Basically they will have to start from scratch unless they can lease the rights to use the Buell patents. Right now they are just reworking an existing bike. It's kind of like a Yenko Camaro. Producing a new vehicle is a whole different matter. | ||
| Americanmadexb |
I was just at my local BRP dealership two weeks ago. He knows all about Buell and said he would LOVE to be a dealer! That would be awesome! Even though there just a small dealership, about the size of a house! | ||
| Rwven |
It might be based on the 1125 but there are many differences also. The 1190 has adjustable rake, wheelbase and rear ride height for example. It also has a much better integrated cooling system and more aerodynamic bodywork. It's much more than just a bored out 1125. | ||
| Sifo |
It's much more than just a bored out 1125. Absolutely. As was a Yenko Camaro. It's still limited by the supply of 1125s that can be reworked though. | ||
| Boltrider |
What happened to AMA's "3000 rule?" They don't require a certain amount of bikes to be street sold for homologation anymore? That must have been a recent change. | ||
| Ponti1 |
Sifo, let's keep in mind that a "RS" need not necessarily be a 1190RR with turn signals and EPA mapping. For all we know, it could very well have an 1190 engine, with tube frame and a beaver tail setup similar to the Ulysses (tribute to past RS). Just because the current 1190RR is using a 1125R frame does not mean that the street-going version is limited to the same. The best thing at this point is to not limit ourselves by too many assumptions... | ||
| Sifo |
Good point Ponti1. I have doubts that Erik Buell Racing is focused on a street only bike at this point though. First they need a market for their race bikes. The route to that market seems like homologation to me. That means the 1125 chassis. Of course all is speculation at this point. |
