| Author | Message | ||
     M2me |
This will take less than thirty seconds to read. If you agree, please pass it on. No, I do not agree. This is a worse Beckism than the common law quote is. Take thirty seconds to read it but then take a couple of minutes to investigate it. Members of Congress CAN NOT retire with the same pay after only one term. Members of Congress ARE NOT exempt from prosecution of sexual harassment. Members of Congress ARE NOT exempt from the Health Care Reform law. Actually, members of Congress are more strictly subject to the Health Care law than private sector employees are. | ||
| M2me |
What you believe in is Tyranny. It's not a question of what I believe in. It's a question of the system of law in the United States of America. The U.S. uses common law. It uses the principle of stare decisis. After a judgment is made, that sets a precedent and becomes case law. Judges make laws by making case law. They legislate from the bench. It doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not. It's true and always has been since the founding of this country. | ||
| Reindog |
m2me, Have you ever read Glenn Beck? I suspect you haven't and I will repeat an offer similar to the one made by Jerry Haughton. I will send you my copy of "Arguing with Idiots" or "Common Sense" if you agree to read it. You might find that your dislike of Glenn is unfounded. | ||
| Aesquire |
M2me, You may be right that the item gregton quotes is bogus. The desire to fix things is present in reality, however, So I'm still not for a Convention. But you raise an interesting point, re: media and the dumbing down of Americans. You think, with good reason, really, that the pundits are For making you ignorant so they can manipulate you. That's astute. I think, with good reason, that some of the pundits do want you ignorant. I also think that a lot of people want you ignorant, and my list probably overlaps yours. Tell me a mainstream media company that isn't biased. Who is responsible for the decline in education in the public schools? The Unions? The Parents? the schools that teach teachers? Dark conspiracy's of Bilteburglers? And it's not the concept of Common Law that makes the statement on the DOJ's website "scary" ( i, well, exaggerated the terror bit for comedy....sorry ) It's the source of the quote being a lefty. ( ooooh! scary lefty!! ) Please carry on using reason & facts. Thanks. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Thought I would try to inject some energy back into the Badweb pol discussions. Maybe it's working. G | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
It's not a question of what I believe in. It's a question of the system of law in the United States of America. The U.S. uses common law. It uses the principle of stare decisis. After a judgment is made, that sets a precedent and becomes case law. Judges make laws by making case law. They legislate from the bench. It doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not. It's true and always has been since the founding of this country. The judicial system you describe wouldn't be a problem were it operating within the limits of the Constitution. Those judicial precedents, when outside of the purview of the judiciary, are the building blocks and foundation of tyranny. In 1937 when the Supreme Court ruled the Social Security Act WAS Constitutional, it stepped outside of the legal bounds of the Constitution and created precedent. THAT precedent has become the basis for abuses of that program and the American people. It's defunct not because it was a bad program but because session after session of congress pilfered the account. The framers understood that that was the tendency of government, to over reach, to pilfer, to abuse. It's why the Federal Government was provide with only LIMITED powers. The Judiciary has also over stepped its bounds. | ||
| Blake |
Apparently Glen Beck is M2me's daddy. | ||
| Aptbldr |
'fraid of Islam? Now, there's an on-line game for just for you!  http://www.moschee-baba.at/ | ||
| Ceejay |
I still find this plate somewhat ironic. I know they are trying to say something but with the current medical bill being put into place as well as our govt's overzelous use of bailouts it makes one wonder...  | ||
| Court |
I'm listening to the big o speak about small business this very moment ........ Poor guy just doesn't get it .... He's clueless. | ||
| Ceejay |
I can't even listen to him, everytime I hear him on the radio or tele I have to turn it off as I find his hyperbole too damn annoying. I want to hear what he's saying, as I'm hoping he's picking a direction, but after about 2 minutes I just turn it off. | ||
| Reindog |
I can't listen to him either. He talks down to us as he lectures us. Kind of like m2me.  Who would have thought that many Americans now wish that Bush was still President? | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo, show me what you found that didn't appear on a conservative blog. You know, something scholarly and impartial. If you can find it, then you're a better fact-checker than I. Well it's not a blog, it's from Congress.org, it's not impartial, it's from Democrat Jim Webb, I'll let others decide if he's scholarly. http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter /?id=51210&letter_id=5586569711
I do like (NOT) how you suddenly change your definition of not finding anything with that claim. I'm sure this won't pass the new requirements that you impose. | ||
| Buellkowski |
I haven't "changed" my definition, Sifo. You interpreted my words contrary to my intent. All I found in my search was the same hearsay "attributing" that quote to Mr. Jenks, but without citing a source. Your link is not from Jim Webb, it's a letter to Jim Webb from an online poster, parroting what the conservative blogosphere is circulating about the DOJ website redesign. Get it right, dude.  "However, the report cites 'other Department of Justice employees' who say the quote comes from British lawyer D. Wilfred Jenks, author of 'The Common Law of Mankind' essays in the 1950s." Let us suppose the above assertion is true. Please then explain how a quote from the 1950s ended up engraved on a DOJ building built in the 1930s. As I wrote before, an attribution to Sir William Blackstone (if true, that is) is a much more plausible source for the quote than the source you're defending. | ||
| Reindog |
Sorry I made the post. I, too, have been unable to find the source of the quote. This may be a first for me as I can find anything. Maybe the DOJ shouldn't have used an obscure quote as the header of one of the most important websites in the Government. Can we argue about something else? (to paraphrase Rodney King) | ||
| Stirz007 |
Fade to black: http://www.cohort11.americanobserver.net/latoyaegw uekwe/multimediafinal.html | ||
| Court |
Who would have thought the Democrats in Ohio (a state that went heavily for Obama) would now poll that they would prefer Bush back in office than to have Obama finish his term . . .and by a 50% to 42% margin. He's lost his sheep. | ||
| Buellkowski |
Court, you're apparently misstating the poll. Are you referring to this? http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/08/pr eviewing-ohio.html I read this as 50% of all Ohio voters would prefer to have Bush back, not 50% of Ohio Democrats. If I'm missing something, please clarify. | ||
| Court |
the thing that struck me is the number of Democratic polling firms, like PPP, who are finding huge preferences for Bush over Obama. Obama is being abandoned by many of the folks who he snowed. Interesting to see Charlie Crist, one of "Obamacare"s greatest supporters change his position.. Paris Hilton - " it's not my purse" Barack Obama - " it's not my economy" Idiot | ||
| Court |
By the way I am enjoying hearing the big o describe the loss of 54,000 jobs as " positive news of the continuing summer of recovery" Well done big guy! | ||
| Buellkowski |
You're welcome, Court. I'm happy to help you guys fact-check in the interest of honest discussions.  | ||
| Liquorwhere |
You're welcome, Court. I'm happy to help you guys fact-check in the interest of honest discussions. While I could care less about Court's facts or not or your checking of them, I quote you for the honest discussion remark and have this to ask. Do you think there is a growing resentment toward government and the socialist nature of the current administration and the leadership in Congress? If you answer no, I would say maybe you are not really listening to the news or listening to those around you. If you say yes, then I would ask why do you feel there is this growing resentment? For the purposes of honest discussion, the current trend in the country today is for more resentment from those that are producers, creator's of business, small business owners, executives, those that create REAL WEALTH for not only themselves but the entire nation, those that grow the GDP. There are some that fit in this category that are socialist and want the government to be their nanny, but that number usually revolves around health care costs. The other growing trend is the welfare trap that has grabbed millions in multiple generations that see the government tit as a viable career option. What would you propose to move those people off of the taking side and into the producing side? How do we generate more jobs while constantly making it difficult for those owners to afford to employ more and still make a good living for their HARD WORK. Regardless of quotation, regardless of the historical references, and regardless of party line, do you see a solution coming from this White House and this Congress?? | ||
| Oldog |
Paris Hilton - " it's not my purse" Barack Obama - " it's not my economy" ROFLMFAO ! }  where did you find that? Odd that this thread started on Iran and the foolish Russians that think that Iran is a harmless benevolent state, or an ally | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
What is really sad is that MUCH of the impact of higher healthcare cost is DUE TO socialism being integrated into the healthcare system. When you require hospitals and other healthcare providers to cover, gratis, individuals who can't pay, that cost MUST be passed onto those who are paying in order to keep the lights on. To believe that adding MORE socialism to healthcare is going to reduce costs demonstrates a general lack of understanding of healthcare but more importantly a general lack of economics. The two largest contributors to rising healthcare costs are over regulation and socialism (providing services or benefits to those who don't pay for them and passing those costs onto those that do). Tort reform and promotion of personal responsibility are the cure for healthcare costs, not more socialism and medical malpractice lawsuits. | ||
| Court |
Okay ..... Form a single file line and ...... As the rats leave the ship ..... Let's keep this orderly. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487042 06804575467592717163602.html | ||
| Sifo |
"However, the report cites 'other Department of Justice employees' who say the quote comes from British lawyer D. Wilfred Jenks, author of 'The Common Law of Mankind' essays in the 1950s." Let us suppose the above assertion is true. Please then explain how a quote from the 1950s ended up engraved on a DOJ building built in the 1930s. As I wrote before, an attribution to Sir William Blackstone (if true, that is) is a much more plausible source for the quote than the source you're defending. Like I said before, I really have no dog in this fight other than the truth. How does what you quote in any way show the quote didn't come from Jenks? He was born in 1909. Certainly time to have stated that quote by the 1930s. What you quote simply states that Jenks is the source and that he wrote an essay in the 1950s called 'The Common Law of Mankind'. Nothing contradictory there at all. While it's possible that I've missed it, I don't see where you have provided any source at all for your claim. Post a source or it isn't true, and please make sure it isn't the Huffington Post.  | ||
| Buellkowski |
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| Sifo |
I guess you have no "credible" source.  | ||
| Buellkowski |
Nope. Just common sense. | ||
| Sifo |
Common sense shows it could easily be a quote of Jenks. |
