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     Aesquire |
...all you bible blasters will credit god with the miracle LOL Yeah, they always do. Why not? The Prez takes credit for stuff he had no control over and had zip toward making happen. ( that's non partisan I could write that any time in the last century, and be right ) I actually think that A God MAY have had a hand in the Gulf spill of '10. Loki. ( Or for the native Americans Coyote Or for Xena Fans, Deimos. ) | ||
| Cowboy |
Look God had nothing to do with this blow out. BP violated 7 safety rules and got bit. The best you can hope for from God is to alow this zone to starat making sand and bridge over other than that you will just wait for a second cement job from the relief wells. | ||
| Glitch |
Congrats to all that fell for Hex's troll. | ||
| Spiderman |
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| Hex |
Gave yuns a break for Homecoming, now back to monkey-business-as-usual. Ha ha! | ||
| Glitch |
It's old Hex. Way old. Give it a break. If you don't give it a break, your trolling will get you a break from BadWeB for a month or so. | ||
| Slaughter |
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| Ft_bstrd |
I don't care if Hex trolls. I'm willing to have the discussion. He is searching for answers. I hope he finds them. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Since we are the biggest muslim nation (as per zero) maybe we could wrap the oil leak up in a head scarf and have lois farakhan beat it into submission. | ||
| 86129squids |
The gulf spill has exceeded all subjective perspective and scope. As God does, daily. May the hands of man do their best to remedy the situation. I still offer my prayers, as an agnostic. Work your math from there, YMMV. | ||
| Slaughter |
...so a minister and one of his congregation are playing a few holes of GOLF. Ball is on the fairway and the man drives it STRAIGHT INTO THE ROUGH off the green... "DAMNIT I MISSED!" (to which the minister shakes his head, continuing the game) Next hole, same thing - a missed putt and "DAMNIT I MISSED" (to which the minister LOUDLY clears his throat and glares) Next hole, same thing - MAJOR slice off the tee and another "DAMNIT I MISSED!" This time the minister feels he MUST say something. He tells his congregant that this language is inappropriate and for all he knows, GOD will strike him dead if he is not careful. Next hole, a couple missed shots and silence. The 18th hole however, the man misses a putt and with a "DAMNIT I MISSED!" The clouds part, and a lighning bolt bursts from the sky and EXPLODES the priest and sets the golf cart on fire ... and then echoing from the sky comes the voice of the allmighty: "DAMMIT I MISSED!" . . . . Wait a minute, was this GOLF or GULF that your god was playing? | ||
| Moxnix |
God sent a bunch of engineers to the spill in the Gulf to play for him. | ||
| Hex |
Glitch is just jealous--he used to be a punk, but now he's mainstream. Too bad for him. Thanks Ft. I am honestly looking for answers. And finding some contradictions. Fascinating. This is the biggest current event in our Nation. It's important for our future. Unless one believes the theory that oil is a natural occurring physical process of planet formation (not fossil based), we will run out sometime. If this event doesn't put us on a different tact, we will have missed a divine opportunity. I pray the Big O has the cojones to use the nuclear option before this drags on too long. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Thanks Ft. I am honestly looking for answers. And finding some contradictions. Fascinating. You will find, though, that some don't respond positively to a flippant inquiry with overtones of ridicule. The God I seek doesn't need my "defense". Scoff if you like. Mock if you find it necessary. Some will respond negatively. Others will cheer on. Maybe God is a creation of man. Maybe man is a creation of God. No one knows for certain until they pass from this life. | ||
| Hex |
More fascinating: Formation kick The downhole fluid pressures are controlled in modern wells through the balancing of the hydrostatic pressure provided by the mud used. Should the balance of the drilling mud pressure be incorrect then formation fluids (oil, natural gas and/or water) begin to flow into the wellbore and up the annulus (the space between the outside of the drill string and the walls of the open hole or the inside of the last casing string set), and/or inside the drill pipe. This is commonly called a kick. If the well is not shut in (common term for the closing of the blow-out preventer valves), a kick can quickly escalate into a blowout when the formation fluids reach the surface, especially when the influx contains gas that expands rapidly as it flows up the wellbore, further decreasing the effective weight of the fluid. Additional mechnical barriers such as blowout preventers (BOPs) can be closed to isolate the well while the hydrostatic balance is regained through circulation of fluids in the well. A kick can be the result of improper mud density control, an unexpected overpressured gas pocket, or may be a result of the loss of drilling fluids to a formation called a thief zone. If the well is a development well, these thief zones should already be known to the driller and the proper loss control materials would have been used. However, unexpected fluid losses can occur if a formation is fractured somewhere in the open-hole section, causing rapid loss of hydrostatic pressure and possibly allowing flow of formation fluids into the wellbore. Shallow overpressured gas pockets are generally unpredictable and usually cause the more violent kicks because of rapid gas expansion almost immediately. The primary means of detecting a kick is a relative change in the circulation rate back up to the surface into the mud pits. The drilling crew or mud engineer keeps track of the level in the mud pits, and an increase in this level would indicate that a higher pressure zone has been encountered at the bit. Conversely, a drop in this level would indicate lost circulation to a formation (which might allow influx of formation fluids from other zones if the hydrostatic head at depth is reduced from less than a full column of mud). The rate of mud returns also can be closely monitored to match the rate that is being pumped down the drill pipe. If the rate of returns is slower than expected, it means that a certain amount of the mud is being lost to a thief zone, but this is not necessarily yet a kick (and may never become one). In the case of a higher pressure zone, an increase in mud returns would be noticed as the formation influx pushes the drilling mud toward the surface at a higher rate. From Wiki: http://tinyurl.com/28bot9y | ||
| Hex |
Thanks again Ft. I can, as a human being of 44 years, GUARANTEE you that divine intervention will not occur for this man made disaster. Come on God (or anyone else) prove me wrong, stop the gusher. | ||
| Hex |
And yes Cowboy, when one fails all are punished. | ||
| Hex |
I have some questions: Why is there so much natural gas (methane?) gushing with the oil? Is this figure correct? Do I understand the process?  Is deep underground/underwater oil 'carbonated' with natural gas, like barley pop in a bottle? | ||
| Hex |
Just found this about the natural gas... http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/21/could-gulf -oil-leak-lead-to-methane-bubble-tsunami-bp-respon ds/ | ||
| Hex |
Ok, that article was a bit sensational. But why so much gas in this well? It's not normal? | ||
| Hex |
Last time I checked the definition, MITIGATE means 'to lessen the severity of...' So, if you don't look for, don't detect, or successfully deny factual claims, you are a mitigater. That's the Gubments role. That's BP's role. What is your role? | ||
| Hex |
Guzzle and suck? | ||
| Hex |
I was under the impression that the drilling process had been completed at Deep Horizon, and a cementing process had been begun. The cement is to flow up the annulus, the space between the well casing pipe and the drill pipe, where previously 'mud' had flowed to allow for the drilling process. So, no chance for a drilling 'kick' right? no unexpected charge of natural gas. Just 'sweet' crude? from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_crude_oil Sweet crude oil is a type of petroleum. Petroleum is considered "sweet" if it contains less than 0.5% sulfur,[1] compared to a higher level of sulfur in sour crude oil. Sweet crude oil contains small amounts of hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide. High quality, low sulfur crude oil is commonly used for processing into gasoline and is in high demand, particularly in the industrialized nations. "Light sweet crude oil" is the most sought-after version of crude oil as it contains a disproportionately large amount of these fractions that are used to process gasoline, kerosene, and high-quality diesel. The term "sweet" originated because the low level of sulfur provides the oil with a mildly sweet taste and pleasant smell. Nineteenth century prospectors would taste and smell small quantities of the oil to determine its quality. | ||
| Hex |
So, with the abundance of natural gas from this disaster, mi numero una pregunta estaba: IS THE WELL CASING COMPROMISED? | ||
| Hex |
A little FYI: In just two short months, over 36% of Federal Gulf of Mexico fishing waters have been closed--with no end of the contamination's spread in sight...  | ||
| Trojan |
What is happening in the Gulf of Mexico is a disaster and a tragedy beyond belief, but I am always amazed at the double standards shown by Western countries and governments towards these things. The Niger Delta has suffered huge oil leaks for almost 30 years (and is currently suffering another oil leak that apparently dwarfs the BP leak in the Gulf) yet nobody even bothers reporting it. In conjunction with virtual slave labour employed in the Nigerian oil and gas fields this has led to a point where war in the region (again) is the likely result in the very near future. The Nigerian government have tried to apply sanctions against both Shell and Exxon but have been blocked by western governments at every step. The US government refused to extradite the managers responsible for the Bopal Union Carbide disaster in India (one of the the largest single environmental disasters), and it took 20 years for anyone to get compensation after the Exxon Valdez leaked its cargo of oil out  There really needs to be some joined up thinking worldwide about these kind of shocking events instead of trying to protect national interests all the time (and I include the UK government in this too). Why don't we have some kind of task force that can respond to these disasters worldwide and take advantage of expertise across the globe instead of playing the blame game straight away (which helps nobody affected)? | ||
| Glitch |
Hex you know not what I am, or my motivations. Jeremy may enjoy your trolling, but he may very well be all alone in that, don't know, don't care. If I feel your continued trolling outweighs your positive contribution to the BadWeB community, you'll be suspended, period, end of story. Insulting me won't help your case. | ||
| Aesquire |
In no particular order.... Yep, the natural gas acts as a pressure agent to push the oil up the well. The danger of a giant methane release comes from methane "ices" just below the ooze in deeper water. NOT wells. Lots of methane that would really help our energy needs ( conservation or not ) if we had a handle on getting it. Trouble is one theory says the ices can erupt in a gigunda methane cloud if disturbed. That might have profound effects on climate, maybe even cause temporary ( years long ) warming. ( on a planet which despite outright lies from NASA and the CRU has been in a cooling trend for about a decade ) There is also a theory that a sudden catastrophic release would be bad, as concentrations of methane are both poisonous and flammable. Imagine a flaming sheet of methane flowing along the ocean surface towards the shore with fire on the edges and top and unpredictable massive explosions as parts of the cloud hit the right fuel/air ratios. On the other hand J.Hansen late of NASA is worried about clathrates, and he's a known criminal and pathological class lier, so by bad logic they are completely safe. Bad logic tells you to ignore liars when they warn you...especially if they are professional "cry wolf" jerks who prey on people fears. Hansen is such a professional fear monger. Trouble is the way liars work there may be flecks of truth in his BS to make it seem more plausible, and knowing which one will bite you is hard. ( why the "cry wolf" fable is important ) Say we detonate a nuke under ground ( after drilling a relief well, we don't need the nuke, you realize? ) and it causes a major cascade release of methane. Worst case scenario has New Orleans, or Tampa, or Mobile, go under a flood of flame in a poorly thought out effort to stop a minor oil leak. Now that's a biblical disaster. The oil leak is just major. Might be the worst anyone in the MSM can remember, but they are morons. It's not the worst anything, ( except maybe federal response to a disaster, and I doubt even close to that. ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate (Message edited by aesquire on June 22, 2010) (Message edited by aesquire on June 22, 2010) | ||
| Slaughter |
The "nuclear" option has been tried in an experiment up in the Nevada Test Range. Failed. The radioactive contamination of the natural gas that came from the well was so severe that it was IMPOSSIBLE to use... be careful what you wish for. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Thanks again Ft. I can, as a human being of 44 years, GUARANTEE you that divine intervention will not occur for this man made disaster. Come on God (or anyone else) prove me wrong, stop the gusher. There is no way that you, as a human being of 44 years, can make that guarantee. Many times the miracles of God appear common place or perfectly explainable. You can't know the greater plan of God. The hearts of man are often more receptive to God's voice when times are at their worst. The miracle may not be measured in the absence of oil but in the devotion of hearts and minds. |
