| Author | Message | ||
     Mountainstorm |
And it's not just all those dead and dying animals... http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0602/month-oil-spill-g oldman-sachs-sold-250-million-bp-stock/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/en ergy/oilandgas/7804922/BP-chief-Tony-Hayward-sold- shares-weeks-before-oil-spill.html http://www.scribd.com/doc/32663286/Deepwater-Horiz on-Interim-Incident-Investigation-BP-s-Washington- Briefing http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/06/07/senat or-nelson-says-bp-well-integrity-may-be-blown/ Goldman Sachs and Tony Hayward sell large portions of their BP holdings before spill. Sen Nelson states casing integrity may be blown, spill may be unstoppable. Ouch. | ||
| Mikej |
I haven't read the links so I will just make one comment: If something happens then look for someone who did or didn't do something else right before the main something happened, then accuse them of knowing something was about to happen. An example: a traffic accident in an intersection, find someone who turned off the road just before the accident, then accuse them of knowing the accident was about to happen. I don't think I'll read the links. There are people in the world who still refuse to knowingly buy Exxon products because of the Valdez. How'd this hook get in my mouth and where'd this worm come from .... | ||
| Mountainstorm |
Ignorance is bliss. I'm guessing you are pretty blissed out  | ||
| Mikej |
I went ahead and read the links, the first are basically talking about stock sales before the accident happened so I fail to see why you linked to those relative to the title of this thread. Another of the links points to some speculation and assumptions about the quality and integrity of the materials used without giving any facts or data to back up the speculative assumptions. Please clarify the intent of each link relative to the title of this thread and once complete I'll reconsider my blissfullness. Posting links with limited comment is kind of like trolling in a way. Expand and clarify your points please. Or are you blissfull too????? (Message edited by mikej on June 09, 2010) | ||
| Hex |
What they're also not telling you is that it's already spread past the southern tip of Florida... Here's Louisiana:  Here's Florida:  | ||
| Hex |
I stopped reading all the lies (BP, Feds, States), and just started making some sense of the whole thing for myself. How can any of those financially involved honestly measure the magnitude of this event? http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=9033572&contentId=7062605  | ||
| Mikej |
Tidal currents and undercurrents will cycle some back around the Gulf, around and into backwaters, and upstream in flowages and rivers. What doesn't get into areas of places on the first lap might on the second lap. Then you've got the whole ocean current thing spreading sludge and stuff even further. I'm curious, has there ever been a natural leak of one of these underground pools due to earthquake shifting and cracking of geologic plates (platonic, tutonic, spelling and correct verbage correction is welcomed) in the past? I can imagine some fissure on a geologic scale opening up a pool of the oil and releasing it, or some under-ocean volcanic activity broaching an oil pool. My opinion is that the dollar cost is secondary to the environmental costs. But then I don't currently live in a directly affected area. | ||
| Glitch |
I'm curious, has there ever been a natural leak of one of these underground pools ... IIRC there's one off the shore of California that's been "leaking" for years. | ||
| Sifo |
What they're also not telling you is that it's already spread past the southern tip of Florida... I stopped reading all the lies (BP, Feds, States), and just started making some sense of the whole thing for myself. Hex, I'm not sure you're making much sense of this. Your satellite image may show dark area past the tip of FL, but it also shows similar dark images south of Cuba. I don't think that's correct. This sort of thing was discussed in the other thread about the spill regarding the images you keep posting. Perhaps you failed to read those parts. It's the light being reflected differently depending on the texture of the water, among other things. | ||
| Sifo |
Another interesting thing is the plumes of oil that are below the surface. I saw a representative of NOAA discussing these yesterday. She said they had tested samples from three plumes. One she said matched the oil from the BP spill and had very low oil concentrations. The second had oil concentrations too low to do the analysis. The third did not match the oil from the BP spill. Since seeing that interview I have seen countless times the talking heads have been wringing their hands about the plumes below the surface. As always gloom and doom gets eyes on the TV. | ||
| Sifo |
From NASA regarding the source of oil pollution in the oceans.  Far from saying this isn't a terrible spill, but I'm not convinced that the sky is falling yet. | ||
| Hex |
...among other things. I also suspect that BP is inserting GMO/Synthetic, oil-eating, bacteria at the well head. | ||
| Cyclonemick |
I have a feeling that the NASA Graph was before The current Spill. | ||
| Aesquire |
I think Mountainstorm may be on to something. What do BP, & Goldman Sachs have in common? Both donated to Obama huge amounts of money, Both are being scapegoated by Obama, and Both dumped stock right before the spill.... How would they know? I see 2 choices. ( there's more, I'm sure, but bear with me ) 1. Goldman Sachs saw BP as a loser, based on many factors and wisely unloaded. Tony Hayward wanted to get out of paying a lot of interest to those evil bankers, and cashed in some stock to do so. Bet he wishes he'd dumped more. or 2. Barack set the whole thing up to push his agenda, and it's all a grand conspiracy. "they" are all in it to screw us, so many ways It's amazing. I'd easily believe #1, barring any evidence. #2?? If Goldman sachs & BP are involved, so is Barack. Prove otherwise. If it is Baracks' scheme, I don't think it's working so good for his poll numbers. Then again, he may not care. Stalin didn't. | ||
| Hex |
platonic non-romantic love. Teutonic as in Knights. tectonic shifting plates of Earth's crust. | ||
| Hex |
Get ready for this as well: "One really smart thing that [President Barack] Obama did was about three weeks ago, he forced BP CEO Tony Hayward to put in writing that BP would pay for every dollar of the cleanup," he added. "But there isn't enough money in the world to clean up the Gulf of Mexico. Once BP realizes the extent of this, my guess is that they'll panic and go into Chapter 11." "They have about a month before they declare Chapter 11" bankruptcy, Simmons said. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bps-market-value- halves-as-spill-costs-loom-large-2010-06-09?dist=a fterbell | ||
| Drfudd |
an accident happened, plain and simple. in order to get anywhere in life you have to take acceptable risks, yes they were trying in deep ocean which is risky because it hasn't been done much. its hard to predict what will happen at those depths and the brightest minds in the world will agree that this was an accident plain and simple. now as a human race we just have to band together and clean up the accident, our lives and the life of the planet depends on it. we shouldn't be trying to place blame, thats the wrong attitude, when you try and place blame you get yourself into a mind set of "its his problem, not mine I don't need to think about it or do anything about it anymore" which is the wrong attitude to have. The graph up above shows the amount of oil in Millions of gallons per year. the gulf spill is in the BILLIONS of gallons. that amount I don't believe the oceans can just absorb and bounce back from. its time for the world to admit it was an accident and figure out the best way to clean it up. sorry for bitching for a minute. | ||
| Hex |
"Speculators Bet On BP (BP) Bankruptcy; Liabilities Could Reach $400 Billion" http://tinyurl.com/26za7yo | ||
| Hex |
Criminal negligence is no accident, and environmental crime can happen without intent. This event is the inevitable reality of offshore drilling--not the exception. BP should be seized, after that point we can all share in their irresponsibility. | ||
| Sifo |
Sure - Seize BP. There's nothing that can't be solved with a giant dose of socialism. You do realize that BP is not in the US. We would be seizing a foreign asset. I don't think there is any way to even attempt it. Maybe BO could just nuke the UK! | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
I think Drfudd has a point. Somebody f-ed up, sure. does it matter who? or is the important thing to concentrate on the fact that there is tons of oil spilling into our life source? I don't care who did it so much as who and how is going to fix it. Nobody can pay for the damages, nobody has enough money. | ||
| Glitch |
Hey Tom, stop falling for Hex's trolling. He just says the same thing over and over, even when confronted with facts, he'll just back his posts with something from the likes of the Huffington Post. His rhetoric is old and redundant. It'd be ok if he weren't so predictable. | ||
| Sifo |
Drfudd makes a certain amount of sense, but he is way off in at least one area. The spill is currently no where near being measured in billions of gallons. It is doubtful that it would hit that mark after a year. Hopefully they will have it capped long before then. Just for a bit of perspective, we are measuring our national debt in trillions, not billions or millions.  (Message edited by SIFO on June 09, 2010) | ||
| Sifo |
So when is BO going to talk to someone at BP to coordinate efforts to limit the damage? All we have so far is finger pointing. Wouldn't a real leader take the initiative to make sure that a real effort to limit damage was happening? Does our government not have a vested interest in this regardless of who's to blame? | ||
| Whatever |
Wow Sifo do you even read? The commander in charge of BP efforts is an Admiral of the Coast Guard, Thad Allen. Obama met with him a few days ago... they went and ate shrimp together... http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/09/1672072/adm- thad-allens-wednesday-briefing.html | ||
| Sifo |
Since when does an Admiral in the USCG represent BP? Did we already seize BP as suggested by Hex? I would expect BO to talk to the one that BO is pointing the finger at as having final responsibility. That would be CEO Tony Hayward. I guess to the BO supporters having shrimp with a CG Admiral is just as good though. Is Thad Allen the one who will be representing BP in front of Congress in the investigation that is bound to follow? I don't think so. | ||
| 1125rcya |
The Sea is turning red OMG were all gonna die  | ||
| Ratbuell |
How did politics get into this? It's an accident. Somebody f'd up. There's no agenda, and I doubt Goldman/Sachs, Obama, or Tony Hayward "knew" anything. There's no conspiracy...just corporate corner-cutting on a couple of levels (safety? engineering? research?) that turned around and bit them in the ass. S**t happens. This sucks. Somebody has to clean it up eventually and once that's done, steps need to be taken to keep it from happening again. But conspiracy? Puh-leeze. | ||
| Sifo |
It gets into politics as soon as the political leaders take the attitude - "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." Like a moratorium on off shore drilling for example. | ||
| Hex |
Like invading Iraq for another, or condoning torture. |
