| Author | Message | ||
     Toronto_s3 |
Blake. Once again you never cease to amaze me with your bias. It's like you never know when to shut up, rushing to the defence of whatever issue seems to hurt your sense of nationalistic pride. Whether or not there was a "chase" is redundant. It's all a matter of perception and I can imagine that the officer involved thought he was chasing the two motorcycles. In any case I am quite sure that adrenalin was pumping for the officer and because of that he was thinking less rationally than he should have been. This is the only point I was trying to make. Secondly if you look at the statistical numbers of handguns in the U.S. versus Canada and the homicide rates between the two countries you can see a correlation between the difference in figures. There are far fewer handguns in Canada and the homicide rate is lower. I would imagine that police officers in Canada are far less concerned about having a handgun drawn on them by a motorcyclist than police officers in the United States. It's simply a numbers game. But really who the hell cares. What I care about is the poor motorcyclist that was needlessly shot. I am sincerely wondering if.... a) the guy has any medical insurance b) does he have enough insurance to get him through this ordeal c) does he need any financial assistance I am hoping who ever started this thread might have some insight into whether or not the guy is being taken care of properly because if not I would definitely consider sending some cash his way to assist him. What you consider to be 'trollish' Blake was an open question to find out if a fellow rider needs any financial help. But you just keep on pushing your knee jerk right wing agenda anyhow Blake. I don't understand what your f__king problem is. Damn, I am so sick or your insipid little rants. | ||
| Bishopjb1124 |
22 seconds from the time the cop hit the lights until he shot. It looks like when they took off from the light/stop sign, they pulled out having a little fun with each other. The cop hit the lights followed them Chris stopped, and the other biker saw the headlights from the other cop car and panic braked and hit the curb (good skills not going down. The cop got out, Michael looked over at the other cop car and that is when the officer negligently discharged his weapon. It is a case of ignorance and improper weapons handling. I have been trained from before the time I could wipe my own ass on how to safely and properly handle a weapon. This cop seems to me have stereo-typed your friend and panicked. I wonder how long he has been a cop for, can anyone find out? piss poor training if you ask me. I think everyone from the cop all the way up to his C.O. should get some type of punishment. Piss poor leadership is why people like The Officer formerly known as White do shit like this. They have not had enough training and supervision from his highers, I would just about bet the whole kitten caboodle that the C.O. has very little interaction with his officers training to ensure that it is proper. As a Marine we are always taught the the most important thing you can do is supervise, inspect what you expect. I hope they handle this with proper actions, and I pray that your friend will one day walk again. Semper Fidelis Jimmy | ||
| Bishopjb1124 |
Toronto, your comment that the handgun numbers correlate with a higher homicide rate shows your pure ignorance/stupidity. The two numbers mean jack and shit. look at the homicide rates and see how any of those weapons were illegal (stolen, black market). Your statement would be like me saying that Canada has more colder days in a year than America and that is why your homosexual numbers are higher. Really doesn't make any sense. Look at the handgun numbers in West Virginia (they are rather high) and also look at the murder rate for that state. Your correlation of numbers is about your perception and what you want to see. Perception is reality, if this is what you percieve (more handguns = higher murder rate) then this will be reality for you. My perception is that you are IGNORANT so this will be my reality. Jimmy | ||
| Xb12xmike |
Canada has more colder days in a year than America and that is why your homosexual numbers are higher.  I hope the victim is able to receive compensation for the rest of his life and will hopefully walk again. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
I hate pigs. Have no issues with cops, police officers, state troopers, sheriffs etc, but I really hate pigs and that scumbag is a pig. | ||
| Geforce |
Not to mention that the population in Canada is around 33 million (33,311,400) versus our population of 307 million (307,006,550), bet that doesn't matter much. To quote Court... Remind me to tell you a story sometime about the Canadian Army... Outstanding bunch of men save the FROGs. | ||
| Bikertrash05 |
Toronto, I didn't see anything wrong with Blake's post. Yours, however, is dripping with stereotypes and ignorance. | ||
| Glitch |
I hate that this happened. There are no winners, only losers in this case. | ||
| Geforce |
+1 Glitch, what's done is done. It's terribly unfortunate in any case. | ||
| Sifo |
Toronto, You need to step back from the keyboard, you are making a fool of yourself. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the US yet consistently is plagued by violent crime. FL when they passed the right to carry saw a drop in violent crime, except for tourists in rental cars who almost certainly didn't have a FL carry permit. Go figure. This video has disturbed me since the moment I woke up today. It sure looks like a case of poor trigger discipline to me. That takes no responsibility from the cop, but I would guess he didn't mean to fire his weapon at that moment. He certainly didn't display that he had been competently trained. They should play that video for the cop first thing in the morning and last thing at night every day he is in jail. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Biker testifies: http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/loc al&id=7435861 | ||
| Ourdee |
sad | ||
| Imonabuss |
Amen on the stereotyping attacks from Toronto. Prejudiced jerk. It's just disgusting to listen to this crap. | ||
| Blake |
Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 05:21 pm by Toronto_s3: Blake. Once again you never cease to amaze me with your bias. Probably because your sense of reality is inaccurate as you've clearly demonstrated on multiple points in this very discussion. "It's like you never know when to shut up, rushing to the defence of whatever issue seems to hurt your sense of nationalistic pride." I'm not the one trying to defend the indefensible while at the same time maligning an entire nation. I don't have a "sense of nationalistic pride." I am proud to be American and I am proud of my country; there is no "sense" about it. "Whether or not there was a "chase" is redundant." It was your point of argument as you attempted to defend the indefensible, the shooting of a man in the back for no justifiable reason. I have no idea what you mean by claiming that "whether or not there was a chase is redundant." Redundant how? "It's all a matter of perception" No, it isn't. A chase means that the the target vehicle(s) attempted escape. The man who stopped and was shot in the back attempted no escape. He pulled over almost immediately upon being lit up by the cop car. I can imagine that the officer involved thought he was chasing the two motorcycles. Your imagination is irrelevant to the facts. "In any case I am quite sure that adrenalin was pumping for the officer and because of that he was thinking less rationally than he should have been." If a routine traffic stop causes his adrenalin to pump, then he has no business being a police officer carrying a gun among the public. "This is the only point I was trying to make." It is a point intending to deflect blame from the police officer, thus besides being an invalid point--see above-- it is a poorly thought out one. "Secondly if you look at the statistical numbers of handguns in the U.S. versus Canada and the homicide rates between the two countries you can see a correlation between the difference in figures." Gang violence including that perpetrated by illegals is responsible for the vast majority of inflated gun homicide rates in some American cities. The illegally obtained guns employed by gangs are not responsible for that statistic, the criminal gangs are.
"There are far fewer handguns in Canada and the homicide rate is lower." Again, the homicide rate does not correlate to number of handguns. Pretending or imagining that it does is dishonest. "I would imagine that police officers in Canada are far less concerned about having a handgun drawn on them by a motorcyclist than police officers in the United States." There you go again with your imagining. But even so, your point is entirely irrelevant. Whether or not a police officer is more or less concerned about having a handgun drawn on them is entirely inconsequential. Police in America are not permitted to shoot people based on heightened levels of concern. They are only permitted to use deadly force when faced with real (not imagined) threat of same. It is their job. Anyone who is so afraid of being shot that they might tend to shoot in the back an unarmed and docile person has zero business being an armed police officer patrolling the public. "It's simply a numbers game. But really who the hell cares." I for one very much care to rebut bullshit falsely maligning my country. "What I care about is the poor motorcyclist that was needlessly shot. I am sincerely wondering if.... a) the guy has any medical insurance b) does he have enough insurance to get him through this ordeal c) does he need any financial assistance I am hoping who ever started this thread might have some insight into whether or not the guy is being taken care of properly because if not I would definitely consider sending some cash his way to assist him. What you consider to be 'trollish' Blake was an open question to find out if a fellow rider needs any financial help." Then yours was a very poorly communicated concern that failed to address your intended question. "I wonder if he needs financial assistance" would have been less confusing. "But you just keep on pushing your knee jerk right wing agenda anyhow Blake." What is right wing about objecting to inaccurate information tending to malign America? What is right wing about disagreeing with your attempt to excuse the horrendously unacceptable and near deadly misbehavior of a cop who shot a man in the back without cause? "I don't understand what your f__king problem is." The problem seems to be your own. I'm fine. "Damn, I am so sick or your insipid little rants." in·sip·id adjective I try not to be too emotional and prefer instead to stick to facts and issues. You are free to avoid the place as you wish. I'll never relinquish my privilege to rebut nonsense posted here, especially when it tends to malign my country or excuse unacceptable behavior. (Message edited by blake on May 11, 2010) | ||
| Liquorwhere |
After watching the man testify I felt compelled to write. I feel we as a community should help this guy in the form of calls, emails, letters to the Ottowa Hills DA to not make a deal, to the local newspapers and by posting the video in as many forums or social networking sites as possible to make sure the victim receives justice. I am trying really hard not to write what anyone that knows me would know and that is my rather low opinion of police and take away from the discussion that we need to help this man. I wrote an email to my congressman Vern Buchanan to urge him to contact the justice department to see if this man had his civil rights violated, I urge all of you to do the same regardless of whether or not if this man is in your representatives area, he is a citizen of this country and he needs to be afforded all the support we can offer. Hopefully a mass of emails to a multitude of representatives could possibly bring attention to the case. Thanks. I am still so shocked that something like that could happen in this country, this isn't a third world country, this isn't a war torn country, this is the United States of America and one of our citizens was gunned down by someone contracted to serve and protect him. | ||
| Rageonthedl |
every time i see this it just gets me going. im not sure if he has some kinds of funds set up or anything ill ask him. if so i will be sure to let you all know and how we are all out raged by this. he may even join the board and tell you all his story. | ||
| Paw |
Toronto how about you do some research on the number of guns and homicides as compared to the population of each country. I do not know the number but I bet both countries have a close percentage. | ||
| Paw |
Hope everything works out for your friend and this a$$hole cop get the maximum sentence. | ||
| Stalker |
I've got a feeling we are going to hear a little more about the history about this part-time cop, part time dispatcher's cloudy work history.  I find it interesting that his co-worker stated he wanted to pull them over "for messing with me". Sounds to me like someone became a cop for the wrong reason. Also once again it seems to me that, the other officer knows it was wrong and wants to distance himself from this/him. This is one of those situations that if certain elements were different there would be national outrage. Where are the riots and protests??? | ||
| Jrfitzny |
Sounds like Blake's posts needs to be a little more... sipid? On a serious note, I'm terribly sorry about your friend, and I hope one day he'll regain the use of his legs  | ||
| Xbrad9r |
hey Toronto, don't believe everything you see and hear in those Michael Moore movies you've been watching. This is a case of the cops adrenalin and poor judgement ruining two lives...the biker's and his. He will have to live with this for the rest of his life, and when he goes to jail (and he better) he will get his justice if they don't keep him away from the rest of the inmates. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Unreal. The lawyers questioning regarding where the riders hands were (insinuating that they should have ben raised) sickens me. If this is their defense they don't stand a chance. I've been stopped by the police on my bike before. I didn't immediately put my hands up when I came to a stop. I didn't get shot in the back. This was a traffic stop. Nothing more. I'm trying to figure out why the officer would have had reason to even have his gun unholstered in first place at any point during this. The rider may have been drunk and high, he may have messed up, he may have made a lot of bad choices that night. This is not reasonable punishment. He may not have the best memory of the incident. That's why we have video. Also - note how the officer is handling his weapon as he comes into the frame. If I shoot you because I see you as a threat, I'll fire and be damned sure that the muzzle stays pointed in your direction. When he comes into the frame, he's holding the gun like he's scared of it and knows he just messed up, like a little kid at the gun range who just had an accidental discharge, knows they eff'd up but are still trying to play it cool. Sickening. And Toronto, you're generalizations are insulting. I own multiple guns and currently have more ammunition in my house than I care to admit. My guns have never even been pointed at another person, let alone shot one. I've been stopped by an officer while I had firearms in the car. He was somehow able to refrain from immediately drawing his weapon and shooting me in the face. | ||
| Augustus74 |
When I first saw this, I thought that the officer in the other car had much more of a right to be alarmed when it seemed the other bike/biker was out of control/not stopping. Now to see him testify (basically against the other cop) is absolutely infuriating!!! Did this cop(shooter) have a grudge against bikers?!?!? He deserves TONS of jail time and probably wont see much, if any. Prayers to the biker and his family. | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
How mush time do you waste on your blathering drivel Blake. Don't you have better things to do with your life than protect the dignity of America? Anyways here is some stuff I was able to find that essentially says that there are more gun deaths per capita in the U.S. than in Canada. Which of course shouldn't be a surprise at all because there are more guns in the United States than in Canada per capita. I'm not really sure how any of these statistics make me ignorant but you should still keep up the good fight defending America though. USA=90 guns per 100 people Canada=31.5 guns per 100 people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_ gun_ownership "The US homicide rate, which has declined substantially since 1991, is still among the highest in the industrialized world. Only the homicide rate of Northern Ireland in the early 1990s compares to that of the United States today. There were 17,034 murders in the United States in 2006[29] (666,160 murders from 1960 to 1996).[30] In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, roughly three times as high as Canada (1.9) and five times as high as Germany (1.0).A closer look at The National Archive of Criminal Justice Data indicates that per-capta homicide rates over the last 30 years on average of major cities, New Orleans' average per capita homicide rate of 52 murders per 100,000 people overall (1980-2009) ranks highest among major U.S. cities[31][32] Most industrialized countries had homicide rates below the 2.5 mark. Overall the homicide rate in the United States was similar to that of some lesser developed Eastern European countries." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_S tates THE POLICE USE OF DEADLYFORCE: INTERNATIONAL COMPARISONS While the societies of the United States of America and Canada are similar in many ways, recent research has noted significant differences in the rates of extreme violence between the two nations. Extreme violence includes the police use of deadly force, the murder of police officers by an assailant, the homicide rate of the general population and violent crime such as firearm robberies. Despite the differences in crime rates,trends in crime in the two countries are quite similar. The findings of this study illustrate that the perceived threat and calculated risk for police officers in the United States is substantially higher then for police officers in Canada, and in many other nations. This may explain why police officers in the United States utilise deadly force in greater frequency than in most western nations. When police officers in western society use firearms against individuals, it may be assumed that they are using lethal force. Generally, officers who discharge a firearm or utilise other forms of potentially deadly force are attempting to immediately inca-pacitate a perceived lethal threat to themselves or another individual. This decision-making process will usually transpire at a time when the individual officer is under considerable stress and in perceived danger, leaving him or her open to the influence of a variety of physiological and psychological factors. It is within this setting that roughly 300 individuals are shot and killed by US law enforcement personnel each year (UCR,2002). In the neighbouring nation of Canada, roughly 250 individuals have been shot and killed by police personnel during the period from 1980 through to 2000, approximately 10 per year(Parent, 2004).In Australia, 41 deaths were attributed to gunshot wounds inflicted by police personnel from 1 January 1990 through to 30June 1997 (AIC, 1998). In New Zealand, there have beenapproximately 20 fatal police shootings in the past 60 years. The230The Police Journal, Volume 79 (2006) -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Page 2 The vast majority of these shootings have occurred since the mid-1970s (New Zealand Police, 2002).In Europe, the United Kingdom recorded 23 incidents involving the discharge of a firearm by police in England and Wales during the period from 1991 to 1993. In seven of these incidents, an individual was killed (PSDB, 1996). A more recent review of police shootings in England and Wales during the period from 1998 to 2001 indicates that 24 incidents occurred. Eleven of these firearm incidents were fatal (PCA, 2003). In the nearby Netherlands, 67 fatal police shootings were recorded from 1978 through to 1999. During this same period, a total of 288 individuals were wounded by police (Timmer, 2002).In addition to New Zealand, the police in England and Wales do not typically carry firearms while on duty. However, specially trained police personnel may be authorised to carry a firearm that is locked in a weapons box inside their police vehicle. In addition, firearms are available for issue from all police stations. In North America, the eastern Canadian province of New-foundland remained the last bastion of ‘unarmed policing’ on the continent until as recently as 1998. This was due to the fact that Canada’s most eastern province entered into a confederation with Canada in 1949, becoming the nation’s tenth province. Prior to 1949, Newfoundland was under the guidance of Great Britain and distinct from the rest of North America in many ways, including policing. The former British Colony had created its own independent police force using the Royal Irish Constabulary as a model, drawing upon the best features of Irish and British Policing. Upon joining with Canada, Newfoundland maintained their tradition of having an unarmed police force while the rest ofNorth America had armed their police. For over 120 years, the‘Royal Newfoundland Constabulary’ (RNC) continued to be the only policing jurisdiction within Canada and the United States where day-to-day street-level policing was conducted withoutpolice having immediate access to firearms, a fact that was long considered to be a source of pride by the local population of Newfoundland. While the police had access to firearms that were kept either secured in the boot of their vehicles or at their police station, members of the RNC rarely, if ever, utilised firearms. A recent review of police shootings revealed that RNC personnel had been involved in only one shooting incident during the 20-year period from 1978 to 1998. This single shooting incident was non-fatal.The Police Journal, Volume 79 (2006)231 -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Page 3 However, owing to a changing society and the influx of visitors from the United States and the rest of Canada, members of the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary lobbied to have immediate access to firearms like their Canadian and American counterparts. In June 1998, the RNC was granted its request, but not without incident. Shortly after being equipped with firearms the RNC became involved in two shooting incidents. Of particular interest is that the circumstances surrounding the recent fatal shooting are strongly linked to the dynamics of a ‘suicide by cop’. In this particular case, two armed members of the RNC were dispatched to deal with a despondent and suicidal male. Upon approaching the individual, the officers were confrontedby the male who was armed with a knife and provoked the police to kill him. While it is too soon to draw conclusions regarding the recent arming of North America’s last ‘unarmed police force’, it appears that the RNC will now be facing the same issues, and controversies, that surround armed police and the use of deadly force. While the societies of Canada and the United States of Americaare are similar in many ways, a recent study (Parent, 2004) noted significant differences in the rates of extreme violence between the two nations. Crime rates between Canada and the United States, for the year 2000, note that the US has much higher rates of violent crime, while Canada generally has higher rates of property crime. Despite the differences in crime rates, trends in crime between the two countries have been quite similar over the past 20 years (Statistics Canada, 2001).In Canada there were 542 homicides in 2000 resulting in a national rate of 1.8 homicides per 100,000 population. In comparison, there were 15,517 homicides in the US in 2000, result-ing in a national rate of 5.5 per 100,000 population: a figure that is roughly three times higher than Canada’s. However, while the homicide rate in Canada is roughly three times lower than the rate in the neighbouring United States, it nonetheless remains many times higher than the homicide rates in many European countries (Statistics Canada, 2001).It is also interesting to note that, in the United States, private citizens (non-police) ‘justifiably’ kill roughly 200 individualseach year. The vast majority of these individuals are shot and killed with a handgun. In Canada, private citizens are rarely, if ever, involved in a ‘justifiable’ shooting incident largely due to232The Police Journal, Volume 79 (2006) -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Page 4 the unavailability of handguns as well as the restriction of firearms in general. In the United States, justifiable homicide is defined as, and limited to, the killing of a felon by a law enforcement officer in the line of duty, or the killing of a felon by a private citizen during the commission of a felony (UCR, 2002). This phenomenon, unique to the United States, is apparent in the following cases. During one incident, the owner of a watch and jewellery store shot and killed a potential robber after they fell to the floorand struggled over a handgun. The 24-year-old robber, who had placed a gun to his head during the attempted robbery, threatened the 50-year-old owner. Believing that he was going to be shot, the owner reached for the gun and the two men struggled on the floor. The owner eventually grabbed his own gun from the desk and shot the would-be robber dead. In another incident, two males in their late teens went on a crime spree, conducting eight armed robberies in a 90-minute period. They had stolen a vehicle and robbed several individuals at gunpoint before embarking upon what would be their final robbery, a 7–Eleven convenience store. Upon entering the store,one of the suspects aimed his 9mm handgun at the clerk and demanded money. The storeowner, who was in the back of the store, heard the altercation and obtained his own firearm. Thes toreowner then confronted the suspect, firing two shots and killing the would-be robber. In both of these cases the store-owners were exonerated, with the shooting incidents ruled as‘justified killings’. Finally, in addition to a substantially higher homicide rate and the justifiable use of firearms by civilians, this study also revealed that it was not uncommon for ‘off-duty’ police personnel to be involved in a shooting incident. For example, in some instances off-duty US police officers in their civilian attire were alerted to shots fired outside their personal residence, or at the location that they happened to be at, while away from their place of work. These off-duty officers were typically enjoying their time off at a restaurant, public place or at home with their family and, although off-duty, they remained armed with their issued police service weapon. In contrast, Canadian police officers rarely, if ever, carry their issued police service firearm on their days off. Most Canadian police agencies encourage police personnel to leave their firearm at work, or secured at the police officer’s residence. However in the US, when the lone off-duty officers were alerted to a shooting or altercation on their time off they were The Police Journal, Volume 79 (2006)233 -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Page 5 often the first to attend the scene and the first to confront an assailant with their firearm in hand. These officers were not in uniform but were wearing casual plain clothing, further adding to the dynamics of the shooting incident between civilian and police personnel. An off-duty police officer working a second job witnessed an 18-year-old male career through a fence in his car. The suspect tried to escape from the scene and the off-duty officer told him to stop. When the suspect did not comply, the officer pulled out his firearm and shot at the suspect resulting in a non-fatal wound to the shoulder. In another incident, a suspect was accosting a female in a residential area. He beat her repeatedly and was sexually assaulting her. An off-duty officer heard a female screaming and came out of his house with his police-issue firearm in hand. The office rordered the male off the female and the suspect lunged at the officer. The officer fired two shots at him resulting in the suspect’s death. The shooting was ruled as a justifiable homicide. Danger-Perception and the Risk to Police Personnel Added to the circumstances surrounding a police shooting are numerous documented incidents where law enforcement personnel in the United States and Canada have faced a potentially lethal threat, but the death of a suspect did not occur. Thiscategory includes those incidents in which a police officer utilised potentially deadly force by discharging his or her fire-arm, but death did not result. In these instances, the suspect either survived his or her wounds or, in other instances, the police missed, so the suspect was not shot. Finally, it must be emphasised that there are also countless incidents of lethal threats to law enforcement personnel that are resolved each year without the discharge of a firearm. During these instances, the officers utilised alternative tactics or less-lethal compliance tools such as pepper spray or Taser guns to subdue the individual who was posing a lethal threat. Often, this method of resolution has occurred with an increased risk to the police officer. This increased risk to police officers has at times resulted in their deaths. Owing to the very nature of their day-to-day duties, operational police personnel routinely face the real possibility of being assaulted or murdered. On average, approximately 70 police officers are murdered each year within the United States (BJS, 2001). In Canada,during the period from 1980 through to 2000, an assailant has 234The Police Journal, Volume 79 (2006) -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Page 6 murdered a total of 47 police officers, reflecting a rate of roughly two police murders per year (ODMP, 2004). These figures illustrate that the risk of a police officer being murdered by an assailant is roughly three times greater in the United States than in Canada.In regard to accidental deaths in the line of duty, it was noted that approximately 60 police officers are accidentally killed each year in the United States due to mishaps such as motorcar and aircraft accidents (BJS, 2001). In Canada, roughly five police officers will die each year, accidentally, in the line of duty(ODMP, 2004). These figures illustrate that the risk of accidental death for a police officer in both the United States and Canada is relatively similar. Researchers have suggested that the police use of deadlyforce is best explained by the exposure of police personnel to dangerous persons and places. It can be stated that the number of criminal homicides and instances of extreme violence in an area is correlated with the police use of deadly force (Jacobs &O’Brien, 1998). Simply put, police officers are more likely to utilise deadly force during situations when they encounter increased levels of violence or when they perceive their duties to be particularly dangerous. The ‘perceived threat’ directly applies to police work as there is a calculated risk associated with policing. This is unlike other occupations, where workplace homicide is accidental or self-inflicted. Interestingly, there are very few differences in relation to the dynamics and circumstances of police use of deadly force in Canada and the United States. The issues pertaining to police use of deadly force are for the most part very similar. The major difference that was noted between these two nations was in relation to the frequencies of incidents and not the individual characteristics of a police shooting. As stated, roughly 300 individuals are shot and killed by US law enforcement personnel each year, in contrast to Canada where roughly 10 fatal police shootings occur per year.These figures represent a frequency of fatal police shootings that are roughly three times greater in the United States than in Canada. Significantly, instances of extreme violence in the UnitedStates tend to be three times greater, per capita, then instances of extreme violence in Canada. Extreme violence includes the police use of deadly force, the murder of police officers by an assailant, the homicide rate of the general population and violent crime such as firearm robberies.The Police Journal, Volume 79 (2006)235 -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Page 7 In summary, the findings of this recent study illustrate that the perceived threat and calculated risk for police officers in the United States is substantially higher then for police officers in Canada and in many other nations. As a result, police officers in the United States utilise deadly force in greater frequency than in most western nations. Further research of extreme violence andthe risk of violence perceived by police personnel in their policing jurisdiction may assist in understanding the patterns ofpolice shootings from both a national and international per-spective. Further ReadingBest, David and Quigley, Anna (2003) ‘Shootings by the Police:What Predicts when a Firearms Officer in England andWales Will Pull the Trigger?’ Policing and Society 13(4):349–64.Bureau of Justice Statistics (2001) Sourcebook of CriminalJustice Statistics 2000, ed. Maguire, Kathleen and Pastore,Ann L. Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, Bureauof Justice Statistics.Geller, William A. and Scott, Michael S. (1992) Deadly Force:What We Know – A Practitioners Desk Reference on Police-Involved Shootings. Washington, DC: Police ExecutiveResearch Forum.Parent, R. B. and Verdun-Jones, Simon (1998) ‘Victim-Precipitated Homicide: Police Use of Deadly Force in BritishColumbia’ Policing: An International Journal of PoliceStrategies and Management 21: 432–48.Statistics Canada (2003a) cat. no. 84–208–X1E, ‘Causes ofDeath, 2002’, Ottawa; http//:www.statcan.ca/.Statistics Canada (2003b) cat. no. 85–002, vol. 23, no. 8, ‘Homi-cide In Canada, 2002’, Ottawa; http//:www.statcan.ca/.US Department of Justice (2003) Local Police Departments,2000. Washington DC: Office of Justice Programs, Bureau ofJustice Statistics.ReferencesAustralian Institute of Criminology (AIC) (1998) Police Shoot-ings 1990–9, No. 89 Trends and Issues in Crime and Crimi-nal Justice. Canberra: Australian Institute of Criminology.Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) (2001) Policing and Homicide,1976–98: Justifiable Homicide by Police, Police OfficersMurdered by Felons. Washington, DC: US Department ofJustice.236The Police Journal, Volume 79 (2006) -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Page 8 Jacobs, D. and O’Brien, R. (1998) ‘The Determinants of DeadlyForce: A Structural Analysis of Police Violence’ AmericanJournal of Sociology 103(4): 837–62.New Zealand Police (2002) ‘Fatal Police Shooting Incidents1941–2001’. New Zealand Police National HeadquartersDocument. Wellington: New Zealand Police.ODMP (2004) Officer Down Memorial Page http://www.odmp.org/canada/index.phpParent, Richard (2004) ‘Aspects of Police Use of Deadly Forcein North America: The Phenomenon of Victim-PrecipitatedHomicide’. Burnaby, BC: Simon Fraser University (unpub-lished doctoral dissertation).Police Complaints Authority (PCA) (2003) Review of Shootingsby Police in England and Wales 1998 to 2001. 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| Bikertrash05 |
Eh, that is less then 1 gun per person, and people who have guns are like people who have tattoos; once you get one, you need more! Is this turning into a gun control thread? The largest number of shooting deaths happen in the cities with the strictest gun control laws. Coincidence? An armed society is a polite society, and if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Not just cliche gun control lines, but the truth. Living in the country, everyone has guns, and everyone is polite to each other. If I hear gun shots, I don't hide in my bath tub, I think "hey, I should do some target practicing, too!" Hell, even my cat is armed!  | ||
| Court |
>>>>>Yours, however, is dripping with stereotypes and ignorance. Mostly ignorance. I thought, at first, it was a joke . . accusing someone of ranting by . . . well, ranting. Just not terribly bright. Glad I didn't waste time reading the entire thread. | ||
| Pwnzor |
wow.... Toronto.... you're just amazing.... I mean, you're obviously so much smarter than everyone else! We should be very thankful to have someone like you that knows how to use Wikipedia. That's the best source for everything informational. Is that why no school anywhere allows it to be used as a reference material? Perhaps in Canada, not here buddy. No, here we require reliable sources. I wonder how much you would be bashing the USA if the north American continent were ever to be invaded? Hmmmm? Who will defend your maple trees and beaver dams? Your unarmed citizenry? Your "military"? Who is it that defends your coastlines and the skies overhead? Everybody sing with me.... I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK... What's that? Not all Canadians are lumberjacks? How can this be? In such a large country with so few people, I would imagine that you have to chop down trees just to go to the supermarket. Tell you what... why don't you make like a tree and get the hell out of here. Your pansy ass liberal America bashing has no place in a thread where fellow Americans are lamenting the horrors visited upon one of our brothers by a so called peace officer. You sicken me. And by the way instead of wiki why don't you ask me how many guns were smuggled across the border into Canada over the last 10 or 15 years? Where is your statistic for that? You don't have one. On my yard you would be washing my underwear with your toothbrush and could be traded for 5 cigarettes. | ||
| Cliffburton |
Kitty got a scattergun!Must be tough to reload without thumbs. | ||
| Slaughter |
The Brits have their stereotypes of Canadians too, eh? (Message edited by slaughter on May 12, 2010) | ||
| Geforce |
Least we not forget the anthem of the Royal Canadian Kilted Yaksmen... (Message edited by Geforce on May 12, 2010) |
