| Author | Message | ||
     Unravels |
Take a minute to fill out this letter. They forced through legislation last year that blocked people out of land, this of course after the initial attempt was voted down. Now they are at it again, but on a much larger scale. http://ahrcanum.wordpress.com/2009/03/30/the-land- grab-omnibus-bill/ Basically they want to designate another 13 million acres as wilderness, which will block people from being able use said land for camping, biking, etc... As usual in America, special interest groups are buying our politicians to get what they want at the expense of normal americans, and all we can do is send a letter. So, take a minute and send the letter. click the link below and it will take you to a letter generator. Easy as can be. http://www.savethetrails.us/Default.aspx?PetitionI D=47 | ||
| Iamike |
That's why I wanted to get back out to Moab this spring to ride some of the stuff that will probably be closed. What surprised me is the bicyclists were oblivious to this issue and don't realize that all mechanized travel, including bicycles, will be banned. I wrote our glorious senator Harkin explaining that most people can't hike the distances required to enjoy these sights that they will be closing. Like usual, I got the politcal crap back from him.  | ||
| Buellkowski |
FWIW, a previous discussion here: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/406 2/543727.html | ||
| Iamike |
I hadn't gone to Moab yet in March, just planning the trip. While out there I talked to some guys camping by us that work for KTM dealers around the area. They were really concerned about losing so much prime riding area. I was telling him that the bicyclists that I talked to seemed to be clueless that they'd be cut out too. I would think that shutting down such a huge area around Moab would come close to killing that town. The hikers just don't spend money like the motorized crowd does and take the bicycles out too would leave little. It is wrong that the Government would make such a drastic decision with so little input. There should be posters in town explaining what is happening and full discussions. Unfortunately like so many other things coming from Washinton lately, secrecy is the norm. Keep the masses uninformed. It is easy to ignore things that don't impact you until your time comes, by then no one will care. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
It's dirt. What the hell is there to protect? | ||
| Aesquire |
Oh, but the dirt is a fragile ecosystem that bears the scars of the wagon trains to this day! I've seen the scars myself, It's true. Only by closing access to all wild lands for recreation and exploitation of any kind can we save these lands for future generations. ( mostly it's to cut off fossil fuel & other mining so that those who bribe this regime can make a killing on ever scarcer resources, but your'e not supposed to think like that ) Besides, if there's no place to ride, you shouldn't be allowed to have those noisy, polluting machines anyway. That's coming. Bet ya! Dirt toys, then road toys. Gotta save the planet! | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic le/2010/04/29/AR2010042904700.html Here, now they can tell when you were speeding. | ||
| Ourdee |
The draft contains a wide array of provisions. Some require new safety features, such as the black boxes -- called event data recorders -- and brake override systems that allow a driver to stop a car even when the throttle is stuck open. If my jeep is in lo-lock, there is no way the brakes will stop it if I just crack the throttle open. Are they talking about shutting down the motor via spark and fuel supply? If you crash a new car, it records what the car is doing at impact. That is how Chrysler got a roll-over lawsuit thrown out a few years ago. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The world would be a much better place without people. Should just eliminate them. | ||
| Froggy |
I said similar a few weeks back, and some nozzle on here earned a ban with his reply. Speaking of that, I think it is time to undo that. About that "black box" thing, all cars these days already do it to a certain extent. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
f*ck it, wheres my pitch fork?  I am fed up with the Fed | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Oh, the cant protect the border, think they are going to keep me from ridin dirt ?  | ||
| Pwnzor |
Oh, the cant protect the border, think they are going to keep me from ridin dirt ? They'll put more effort into stopping your fun than they ever did trying to guard our borders. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
They will make sure that the park rangers have all the tools that they deny the border patrol. | ||
| Sifo |
The penalties will be much higher for your dirt ride than for crossing the border too. You will probably pay fines, have legal fees, and have your squirter confiscated. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
My personal thought only, as a resident of Utah and 70% or so public lands, BLM, Forest service, state parks, state lands and Indian lands: What has worked to a great extent here is what is called "multiple use lands", that is everybody has use of the land if they stay within federal and state laws. That means ranchers, farmers, mining interests, hikers, hunters, fishermen, and all other recreation including off roading either bikes or wheelers. AND IT HAS WORKED, that is until president Clinton decided to designate the Grand Staircase/Escalante area protected wilderness area stopping all those interests except primative hiking. And it will continue until something changes. Ranchers and mining were the most impacted and many jobs were lost. Way to go Bill! And all so a very few people from the big cities could visit once in a lifetime to do the Chevy Chase look at the Grand Canyon in the movie "Vacation" What a crock. Lets all have the use of all of our "public" lands and very carefully nourish and protect them OURSELVES and discourage anyone who does not. We have had one of the biggest scouting(BSA) states there is and are loosing all of the above to the bureaucrats who may very well never see or use this beautiful land of ours. National parks are the one great exception, great successes and thousands use them every year. That does work and maybe thats enough. ITS OUR LAND, not the politicians! Vote wisely in all elections. Rant off. Bob | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The sad part is the usurpation of state land for Federal purposes. The residents of Utah don't even have the opportunity to over ride the Federal designs for property within the state. If the residents of Utah want that land to be off limits, great. Otherwise, the Federal government has no authority to deem state land off limits. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
You are absolutely right Jeremy but I believe the section of land deemed protected Federal land was originally BLM(Bureau of Land Management), not state land, which means public but run by the government, in other words "our land,the people of America" I guess Clinton used "Executive privilege" or some such thing to get it done. Now where have we heard THAT before. Pure BS. Bob |
