| Author | Message | ||
     Johnnylunchbox |
All people who ride Vespas are progressive socialists, but I'm not one to generalize. | ||
| Glitch |
My great-great-uncle was a progressive. Some say he was the worst ever. When I found this out, I had to do some research. I mean, I wanted/needed to be related to greatness, not to a man that "ruined the country" (his words, not mine), but alas, the more research I did, the truer it became. Not only did I research history, and all things public, I painstakingly went through all I could of our family things as well. At least he tried, failed maybe, but he was trying to save the country, not destroy it, so I have that to hold on to. Because of all that research, I became more politically active/aware. I would hope that everyone would really look into things, from all sides before just deciding by emotion, rather than hard facts. In my view, most everyone wants America to be a better place, thrive, and remain to be the Greatest Nation on Earth. That's why I try not to take politics personally, and do my best to not attack on a personal level. I have a hard time with that part when being called names, but I try, honest I do. I would like to think that people think rather than react emotionally to what's going on in today's mixed up world. | ||
| Glitch |
Found his quote: "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."  | ||
| Aesquire |
Crusty, yes. Not as much a socialist as the next guy, even Hillary doesn't seem so bad now. ( & yeah, it hurts to say that ) Despite his contributions to freedom globally, (1) and his success in helping end the Clinton recession with tax cuts across the board, (2) Bush did sign into law the Homeland security idiocy, and the "part D" drug give away program. (3) I'd also fault Bush for signing T. Kennedy's education bill, that Ted got little credit for, ( no child gets ahead ) which is a pity. My complaint with Bush was his progressive tendencies. (1) 50 million people freed from tyranny in Afghanistan & Iraq (2) though the cuts went to everyone, they would have been more effective if he'd cut the rich only, but he didn't even though his enemies say he did. Why? tax cuts for richer people give more results, since they invest more than poorer people. It's cold, but true. (3) I know no one who likes part D. It's confusing, too complicated, and is a good example of govt. health insurance's flaws. Also freaking expensive, and the Drug companies made a deal that they get to charge the Govt. retail. Same deal they made with Obama. Same HSA with Obama. Same Patriot act with Obama. But...Bush didn't fire the CEO at GM. should I hold that against him too? | ||
| Aesquire |
Glitch, he probably believed he was doing good works. At least at first. The nature of the marxist systems are that they must lie or be revealed as the naked theft they are. That said, it IS a seductive line of lies. Social Fairness, Social Justice, Economic Justice, all happy phrases that mask the deliberate envy & hate generated to achieve the goals. I don't know if Woodrow was in on the con when he played his part in the destruction of our way of life. He was surrounded by very evil men who did know what they were about. I wonder when he caught on to the flaws in the con? | ||
| Buellkowski |
Glitch, that Wilson quote is misattributed: "Attributed in Aaron Russo (2006), America: Freedom to Fascism and elsewhere as an expression of regret for creating the Federal Reserve. The quotation is fabricated from remarks Wilson made on separate occasions and two leading sentences that have no clear source." http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson | ||
| Buellkowski |
"Sometimes people call me an idealist. Well, that is the way I know I am an American. America is the only idealistic nation in the world." - Woodrow Wilson | ||
| Glitch |
I wonder when he caught on to the flaws in the con? Unfortunately, not until it was too late, much too late, that's according to my great-aunt. She said something I've heard time and time again, "Washington does something to a man". I'm thinking maybe he got caught up in things up there. It's really hard to tell, the history books say one thing, historians say another, then you have the modern history books saying something else, throw on top of that family stories. The truth is somewhere in all of that possibly. I am thankful though I dug through all that though. It turns out I have a rich heritage, a mix of Mountaineers, politicians and farmers. | ||
| Glitch |
Glitch, that Wilson quote is misattributed: which is why I said It's really hard to tell, the history books say one thing, historians say another, then you have the modern history books saying something else, throw on top of that family stories. | ||
| Blake |
Woodrow Wilson was your great-uncle? Whoa. | ||
| Tom_b |
I went riding today on my wifes can am and changed the tire on one of my suzuki and figured out how to pull my cylinder off my x-1 without buying a 14 dollar socket. Still managed to earn a good days wages . Seriously, that is cool glitch and the best thing about this thread.. | ||
| Blake |
"America is the only idealistic nation in the world." Boy is that inaccurate today. Idealism is very bad news, nothing but fantasy that inevitably turns to oppression and tyranny. | ||
| Hex |
Albert Einstein was a socialist. (E=MC^2 guy) http://www.monthlyreview.org/598einstein.php | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Albert Einstein was a socialist. Most egg head professor types are. It's easy to be socialist when you aren't responsible for actually crafting the real world outcomes. All socialism works on paper. | ||
| Blake |
So were Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. Hugo Chavez is one of the leading socialists these days. | ||
| Blake |
Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, so was Martin Luther King Jr. before he was tricked into turning Democrat. | ||
| Hex |
Einstein said "Politics is for the moment, equation for the eternity", stating that physics was more important in his life, he declined the presidency of Israel in 1952. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_einstein#Polit ical_views | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
Blake It never ceases to amaze me some of the neurotic, bullshit you spew on this board at times. It seems lately like its just been getting worse and worse. Are you feeling OK? All the trauma of Buell shutting down has really got you on edge. I mean more on edge than usual. | ||
| Glitch |
Woodrow Wilson was your great-uncle? Whoa. Great-great. But yeah, ain't that a hoot. Still kinda in touch with the Wilson side, they are the Scotch-Irish on my Mom's end of the family tree. My aunt got into doing the family tree, there are a bunch of interesting people hanging out on limbs and branches. My favorite though are the Mountaineers, and the Scandinavians, those were the most interesting, and have the bestest stories, and gave me my square jaw and bullet head  Thanks Tom! | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Blake It never ceases to amaze me some of the neurotic, bullshit you spew on this board at times. It never ceases to amaze me how self-righteous, tactless and downright rude some people can be when it comes to stating a simple opinion. FB | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Who wants to talk about Buells? Politics are the ghey | ||
| Blake |
"Politics are the ghey" Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and friends disagree. | ||
| Hex |
John Lennon, Susan B. Anthony, and Helen Keller were all socialists. http://www.truth-it.net/famous_socialist.html | ||
| Milt |
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| Blake |
It struck me the other day that if everyone were just honest and honorable, it wouldn't matter much which form of government we had. The world would be an incredible amazing place. But given that everyone is not honest and given that politics is rife with corruption in all its forms, it seems to be the best possible form of government is that which is smallest. That would not be a Socialist government, which is by definition, the largest. For small gov, the choices seem to boil down to libertarian democracy or libertarian monarchy. Some are willing to cede control of their lives to others for the promise that others will look after them. Others prefer the freedom to control their own lives. Freedom versus nanny state. One demands a huge government rife with multitudes of bureaucracies, agencies, departments, and commissions, in order to try to ensure that everyone is taken care of and living well; living well being all the behaviors which agree with the opinions and theories of said government. The other seeks limited government thus leaving people alone to make their own choices. If Walmart hurts and oppresses people, we can choose to shun them and make Walmart go away. When a Socialist government hurts and oppresses people, they excuse it in the name of the greater good. If you want to donate to others, GREAT! If you don't want to learn a trade or seek higher education and learn a profession, FINE! You'll likely enjoy less prosperity for it, and enjoy limited access to health care. Choose to not save for your retirement or a home of your own? You'll have to work all your life. Equal justice under the law or equal social standing by law (social justice)? Which did the founders of America codify in our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? Beware those who demand that others fund plans for utopia and social justice. | ||
| Davefl |
All people who ride Vespas are progressive socialists, but I'm not one to generalize. Hey I ride a Vespa and I am not a Progressive Socialist. I must be weird.  | ||
| Drkside79 |
Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and friends disagree. }Well they didn't have Buells and two of three were slave owners so I try not to idealize everything they stood for. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Oh and back to the Lincoln was a Republican thing. Yes he was we have heard it over and over again. It was also a different Republican Party back then. Would he still be a Republican today? WHO KNOWS! There is no way to tell but i highly doubt it. In fact i think the Republican Ideals of today would embarrass the man. However that last part is an opinion. | ||
| Sifo |
Abe would be a Tea Partier. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Abe would be all over Condoleeza and Michelle today...heard he had the jungle fever  |
