| Author | Message | ||
     Reindog |
I truly believe that the system will collapse under its own weight if we continue down this road. Socialists are Un-American and must be uprooted. Period. | ||
| Crusty |
Are Nazis American? | ||
| Reindog |
What is your point? American Nazis are a fringe group that wield virtually no power. Socialists and their useful idiots have infected the federal government and are actively destroying our nation. The debt burden, the culture of victim-hood, teaching citizens to take no responsibility because the government will save you, are transforming our nation into a third rate country. The people have been duped and are awakening. Socialists are most definitely Un-American and must be routed. The course that we are on is unsustainable. Can you agree to that?  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
For those of you watching the socialist encrouchment of American Government..... go look to the new 'Office of Resilence' 'Resilience' new codeword speak out there with a new govt agency that was created when Obama came into office, under the DIRECT supervision of the NSC (national security council) and as reporting to and advising DHS (department of homeland security) With the new realm of 'Resilence' (in line with comic made up words of truthiness) There are some academic point papers driving this mule, and at its core is a resident Hegel/Marx precept. You might want to take a look at it. You can see how the vain of Clintons 'It Takes a Village' the 'community orginizers' are infusing their brand of social justice and help into national defense and emergency preparation. The project will be implemented in three phases: Engage selected communities in Miami-Dade County to assess strengths, assets, barriers and challenges that faith-based and community groups encounter as they assist diverse populations; Research and conduct an analysis of the social networks in these communities; and Develop a replicable model (or “how-to toolkit”) that faith-based and community organizations can use to strengthen their ability to serve diverse populations. But from the source text it gets more of a Hegel slant The objectives (or end states) of resilience that underpin our approach are resistance, absorption, and restoration here is the source text white paper http://www.bepress.com/jhsem/vol6/iss1/83/ From Hegel The Hegelian dialectical formula: A (thesis) versus B (anti-thesis) equals C (synthesis). Hegel beget Marx, and look what Marx beget Consider this formal notice of their new agenda; you are duly warned. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Are Nazis American? See many Nazis in Mass, do ya? | ||
| Aesquire |
Heck, we got a Nazi enclave in New York ( west/Upstate, where no one from an actual city goes ) A buddy got married in a church 3 miles from the trailer park. Don't you love how what you call the idiot's gathering of hovels makes a propaganda difference? ...... If it's the MSM it's a "Compound" even though there's no walls, just a ditch & a creek. "Reporting from the Nazi trailer park" doesn't have the same zing, eh? So, Dmmblaze, As to "should we have gone to war in Iraq in 2003?" you are certainly entitled to your opinion. You appear to harbor deep doubts as to the honesty of the politicians who called for the overthrow of Saddam. I certainly do. If certain Members of Congress ( and other politicians ) told us from the 1990's through 2003 that Saddam was a threat who had used WMD's was working on getting more, was to be feared and must be dealt with, You think they were not honest, right? Since you think those politicians were not honest with you, will you believe their subsequent statements? Why? When you believe they are liers? Thank you. ( love the "King of Nothing" video ) (Message edited by aesquire on April 11, 2010) | ||
| Aesquire |
hmmm. Must be busy. Question too hard? | ||
| Pwnzor |
He gives up easily. | ||
| P_squared |
If he won't answer my question regarding our service members “didn’t have a choice” statement as being deceitful, ignorant, taken out of intended (not written) context or an attempt to shift the topic, asked 3 times without being answered, then yes, I think your question is definitely too hard Aesquire. Glad you liked the "King of Nothing" video btw. | ||
| Crusty |
See many Nazis in Mass, do ya? There are some. My question is if Socialists are un-American, are Nazis also un-American? Or does being American have to do with your Political leanings? And if I believe that I have a responsibility to assist other Americans who are not as fortunate as I am, and so pay taxes to the betterment of all, does that mean that I should be "uprooted"? And just what does uprooted mean? Should I be deported? Tarred and feathered? Or maybe I should just be chucked in a Concentration Camp? | ||
| Reindog |
When Nazis gain political power, then I will fight them, however they pose no danger to our Republic at this time. The same can not be said of the Socialists who are bankrupting us with soft tyranny. Nobody is stopping you from assisting other Americans. But when 47% of taxpayers pay no federal tax, then we are approaching a state controlled by the Looters and the Moochers who steal from the rest of us at the point of a gun. Read "Atlas Shrugged" as it is prophetic. All Socialists must be routed from power as quickly as possible as they pose a danger to the Republic. Period. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
If the Nazi's in Mass are the same socialists that were in Germany, then yes they are un-American. NO WHERE is socialism allowed under the Constitution. If they are the run of the mill, fake Nazis that find the KKK too old fashioned and are cowards, then they are the worst kind of American as protected under the 1st Amenedment. Sucky pieces of human crap, but American nonetheless. If you are a socialist, your viewpoint should be shunned and marginalized at the ballot box. | ||
| Aesquire |
Nazi's are anti American. "American" has nothing to do with genetics, It's the choice of freedom and free will, bound by respect for law instead of men, equality of rights instead of outcome. A government that is limited by choice, with the knowledge that without bounds govt. is a master, not a servant. The choice not to be servants of the State, but citizens of a Republic. So, yes, Nazi's are anti-American, even if they may agree with you, or Hex on a single topic. National Socialism, is exactly what America, ( the great experiment of Freedom ) is the opposite of, By ideals and reasoned observation of the evils of men. | ||
| Pwnzor |
responsibility to assist other Americans who are not as fortunate as I am, and so pay taxes to the betterment of all You are free, in this country, to do whatever you want. If this includes charity, so be it. Is it your idea that you should be able to decide how much money is taken from the next man? The best way to help people in your community is to get out and do something for the people who need help. Throwing money at them does little or no good. If you haven't the time available, that's fine. Give money to your community's small churches. They do more for the needy than anyone else, anywhere, period. I'm not talking about Rick Warren's place, because I'm not about paying for all his big screens... They do plenty of charity work but I believe they could do without a lot of the glamorous crap. But you feel that it's the government's job to make sure that everybody gives their share to the "needy". Of course this program needs a bulky infrastructure of professionals to manage it and make sure that all the crumbs filter down to the right places... See, I disagree with you, but I support your right to help everyone you want to help. It's your right to give, but a privilege to serve your fellow man. I'll be damned if the government is going to take away that God-given privilege from me. Tax me too much and I can no longer afford to help others financially. 40% off the top, 10% more off every dollar I spend, sky high taxes on things I already own... this after 50% of my money is gone at the CURRENT tax rate. And you want to raise my taxes. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Progressives are the most charitable people in America. With other people's money.  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
So then the question is if Not America?... Then where? Where could you move that you could start from scratch, have an idea, a talent, a work ethic, and turn it from nothing into your own slice freedom, prosperity, and a patch to call your own property? This is not a light question. Where in the world could you f'n move to if they dont fix the shiat they just incubated? (because you can guarantee those that can afford it are going to when the tax burden gets to be too big) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Midwest Nazis | ||
| Slaughter |
Vegetarians are evil and un-American... as are those who willingly play the kazoo. Still trying to make up my mind on the harmonica and concertina... well-known imports and very likely immoral. | ||
| Crusty |
He's a drug store truck drivin man He's a head of the Ku Klux Klan When summer rolls around He'll be lucky if he's not in town Well he's got him a house on the hill He plays country records till you've had your fill He's a fireman's friend, he's an all night DJ But he sure does think different from the records he plays (chorus) Well he don't like the young folks I know He told me one night on his radio show He's got him a medal he won in the war Weighs five hundred pounds and sleeps on his floor (chorus) He's been like a father to me He's the only DJ you can hear after three I'm an all night musician in a rock 'n' roll band And why he don't like me, I can't understand He's a drug store truck drivin man He's a head of the Ku Klux Klan When summer rolls around He'll be lucky if he's not in town | ||
| Dwardo |
It ought to be pointed out that a Nazi IS a Socialist, by definition. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Yup. Which is why the red meat hard lefties portraying Bush as a Nazi were so misguided.     | ||
| Pwnzor |
The hard lefties are educated by sound bites and talking points. They are exactly the same as the uneducated muslims who listen to radical imams and strap bombs to themselves to kill innocent people. What THEY think is the only thing that matters, and what they think was decided by someone else who had the charisma to make the impression on a weak mind. Yes, I said it, hard lefties are weak minded. So are the hardline right wingers. I'm conservative on most issues, a bit liberal on others, but my opinions are my own, formed by what I see and hear. Unlike these inbred idiots who just regurgitate whatever fanatical idea they've had implanted. | ||
| Dmmblaze |
Haven't checked in for a few days. Sorry for helping get this thread off the topic of our brave soldiers putting their lives on the line for America while being faced with decisions that will affect them the rest of their lives. It pisses me off they are going through such trials in Iraq with very questionable returns...if any... I liked your "for" and "against" link Ft. B. It seems to show the war was very premature at best. Here is a similar link with some added points written very simply yet concise. (site was developed for k-12 teachers) http://www.awesomelibrary.org/Iraq-War.html You can't tell me the war in Iraq was not rushed and based on questionable reasons, no matter what side you try to argue. Call me idealistic, but I don't want our soldiers sent off to die and kill without concrete evidence that doing so is in the best interest of America. We owe are soldiers that much at the very least. RIP Joshua Andrew Schmit. http://www.myspace.com/184754424 I hope your in a better place Josh. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Blaze, There is a significant amount of editorializing in that summary: "Most nations of the world, the United Nations, most of the American people, and the U.S. Congress disagreed with President Bush at that time that a U.S. invasion into Iraq should be the first step in solving the problem" A USA Today/Gallup Poll, taken prior to the invasion in March 2003, indicated that 75% of US citizens felt the invasion was not a mistake. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0923-08.ht m "After months of looking, U.N. inspectors did not find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3872201.stm "Britain was the only other major world power joining in the attack. " I'm sure Australia and Japan will be happy to hear that they don't count: http://www.iraqwarveterans.org/coalition.htm "The U.S. has taken control Iraq's oil (both directly or through appointing leaders of Iraq)." http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948 787,00.html The author and founder of EDI is Dr. Jerry Adams. http://www.jerryadamsformayor.com/index.html Progressive/Democrat candidate for Mayor of Portland, OR. Definitely NOT unbiased. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
was very premature at best That's the razor's edge. Were we simply talking about Iraq in a vacuum, that might be a correct assessment. Through the prism of 9/11 the American people didn't think it was premature. The there was 18 months between 9/11 and when we set the first boots in Iraq. It wasn't a quick decision. Had we been attacked GWB would have been "asleep at the switch". Any action against Iraq would be viewed as hasty and premature. It was a no win scenario. Given the options available, we took the best possible path given the information available. | ||
| Xb12xmike |
The there was 18 months between 9/11 and when we set the first boots in Iraq. It wasn't a quick decision. Not to mention the 10+ years of no-fly zones + 14 U.N. resolutions etc. since he invaded Kuwait. We would have liberated Iraq eventually anyways. If we waited... who know what Saddam would've done next. Sorry for interupting... please resume. | ||
| Pwnzor |
The resolutions on Iraq were put in place by the UN, with a unanimous vote of the Security Council. This means the WORLD decided that Iraq was repeatedly breaking the rules. After 14 of them, SCREW the UN, time to stomp the shit out of these jerks. As most people may recall, Saddam was given fair warning. WE ANNOUNCED THE INVASION ON GLOBAL TELEVISION. If Saddam and his sons had come out with their bitch tails between their legs, there most likely wouldn't have been an invasion. Bush told Saddam straight out, "you have 24 hours to GTFO!" He sunk his own damn boat with his sabre rattling and Baghdad Bob telling their populace that America was being defeated and the infidels are being repelled at the borders, etc. I'm sick of hearing about it at this point. | ||
| Xb12xmike |
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| Ft_bstrd |
The UN likes to pass resolutions but not enforce them. It's like passing a law that is popular and then telling the law enforcement officers to look the other way. Sounds kind of like immigration laws. | ||
| Aesquire |
Pwnzor, I agree, both sides at the extreme are parrots more than rational. It's funny, the left/right thing, If you take a strip of paper, write "hitler" on the right end and "stalin" on the left, throw on who-ever in between, take the paper and make a loop/cylinder-- join the ends, and the 2 names above are side by side in authoritarian brotherhood. go to the opposite side of the loop, you probably have someone that would be not too bad to work for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQvsf2MUKRQ&feature =related Interesting comment about 2:20 to the end about why the leftists ended up hating the nazi's. G B Shaw commented that we should have panels that you are brought before on a regular basis like a professional re-certifying in plumbing or medicine. (this comment was cut just before the words"just put him there" ) This lovely aspect of the progressive movement sounds so well thought out, like Eugenics and redistribution of wealth. Dmmblaze, A question, and a comment. question If you believe a politician, say, GW Bush, lied to you about something so major as the threat from Saddam, your inclination would be to not trust him on other subjects, true? comment Never mind the reasons or events that should or should not have happened. Too late. this is now, now is real. What is cannot be changed by you or I saying it should not be so. ( though we SHOULD learn from what HAS happened, so we can complain before it happens again. Or it will. ) Since we are there, and have already freed 50 million people in Iraq & Afghanistan, we have a moral obligation to not f&*) them over by abandoning them to their enemies. That would be worse than leaving them in the hands of the murderous scum we freed them from. Consider Vietnam. Perhaps the Prez. lied to get us more involved, I don't know. I am certain that the war was run very badly, with ROE's and actions that we may discuss later, if you wish. I have fewer friends because of those choices by the Prez. Oh, and Vietnam was about oil, too, and we didn't get theirs either, just like Iraq. Parallels can be found in tactics too.... I KNOW that after we had defeated the North Vietnam Army, repeatedly, and had withdrawn our troops, brought them home, and promised to be good allies to the South Vietnamese people, Congress cut off all aid and let them be conquered and murdered en mass. Never Again. Now, Obama is taking credit for peacefully bring home the troops. Cool. I don't care if he is using the plan of the guy in office before him, if it works I'm happy, and we can argue who gets the credit later. Or not, who cares? Good is good. But in the rhetoric before the election, Obama decreed Afghanistan "the good fight" and essentially repeated Bushes "bring it on". That's why the fighting there got much worse. ( that, plus the bad guys left Iraq or quit going there, and went to the Afghanistan instead. Iraq get's you killed, Afghanistan has Pakistan to retreat to.... much better ) Rather than repeat enemy propaganda, or complain that 8 years ago a decision was made in haste.... do you have any suggestions on how we can keep Afghanistan free without going for the glowey glass parking lot "solution" so favored by the right wing loons? Thank you, I await your response. |
