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Greg_e
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was looking at the Talon alarm since it says it has a harness for the Buells, anyone use one of these? Something with a perimeter alarm is what I'm looking for to keep people off the thing when it is parked at work.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 01:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just get something with a motion sensor. Set it for "dog-fart" sensitivity. They sit, it screams. They hoist off the sidestand, it screams. That's how I set up my S2, it works perfectly : )
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ratbuell,

What system do you have?

I used to have one on the M2, one of my past jobs was in a marginal area. It kept draining the battery slowly, then one day it started messing up and went into some ignition-disable loop that I couldn't easily turn off which was the last straw so I removed it. That alarm company went out of business anyway.

Just curious what you have on your S2.
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Mikef5000
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 09:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was also thinking about getting one of the super cheap motion detecting units from Ebay like this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MOTORCYCLE-BIKE-SCO OTER-ALARM-REMOTE-START-IMMOBILISER_W0QQcmdZViewIt emQQhashZitem3a5859f7cbQQitemZ250590394315QQptZMot orcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

I was thinking just connect the minimum possible to the bike, as in, no immobilizer, no remote start, nothing like that. Just simply use it as a motion detecting siren. I don't know how easy it would be to do a partial install like that, but for $25, it's almost worth trying it out.
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Greg_e
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 09:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The cheap motion detector ones all suck, way too many false alarms to be of any use. And really I want to try the perimeter feature, I don't want them to be able to sit on it before it starts screaming. Just image them picking it up off the stand, it screams, they drop it and run. Same thing as not having an alarm in that the bike hits the pavement.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've seen disc locks with an integral alarm if you don't fancy hard wiring.

I only know one person who's used one & they seemed happy enough with it.

The problem with all alarms is that the more sensitive it is (which is what you're after to stop people touching it) the more false alarms you get caused by external factors, such as wind, ground vibration from passing heavy vehicles, & yes, loud exhausts.

I suppose you could always hire somebody to watch over it if you're really paranoid.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd have to pull the tail section and look...it was in a box-o-crap I got years ago and I figured "what the heck". I wired it to power so ONLY the motion sensor feature works, no ignition cutoff or anything like that. Keychain remotes for arm/disarm. Strictly a "don't touch me or I'll scream" item.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Strictly a "don't touch me or I'll scream" item.

Did you buy it from my ex-wife by any chance?
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B00stzx3
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I will someday buy the Scorpio 900. it features ALL the goodies, my favorite is the paging alarm feaure. : )

(Message edited by b00stzx3 on March 25, 2010)
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Petereid
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have the Talon and use it on my XT. Works well. I have the perimeter sensor with it and think its worth the extra dollars. If your close enough to open my bags it will chirp at you a couple of times and then screams. I've had it a year and a half so far and no problems.

Pete
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Best way I've found to keep people from sitting on the bike is just put a cover on it. Nobody pays much attention to alarms any more, the novelty wore off in the 80's.
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Greg_e
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I thought about a pager, but the building I work in has horrible RF penetration from the outside world, surprised that cell phone even work. AM and FM and TV stations certainly do not come through.

The Scorpio alarms do not have a plug and play wiring harness, so you are going to have to butcher you bike to install it, something I am not willing to do. I'm also not willing to find all the correct connectors to make my own harness.

The alarms that have a starter prevention feature are kind of pointless, needs an ignition kill instead which would be easy enough to rig on our FI bikes.

The Talon is looking my choice. I might have gone with the Scorpio but I want the correct harness to plug into my machine, though at the price I have a strange feeling that the harness is not really as complete as I want.
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Delta_one
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 10:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just got a Scorpio i800 and it was defective out of the box, I am currently waiting to get my replacement. but one thing I can say is that customer service has been hassle free, very apologetic and willing to make it right with no bitching needed on my part.
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Greg_e
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was starting to do the in depth research on the Talon and noticed that they had it marked as "out of stock, new version coming soon". Guess I need to wait a little while or find something else.

Delta I would be very interested is hearing your experiences with the install and seeing pictures of each step.
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Delta_one
Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

no problem Greg once I get it back I will post pictures, I have already installed it once so this time should be a snap.
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Greg_e
Posted on Friday, March 26, 2010 - 12:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm especially interested in any wiring that had to be cut since they don't list a harness for our cycles.
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Delta_one
Posted on Friday, March 26, 2010 - 12:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

no wires cut at all. tap into both turn signals and brake light power and ground wires as well as battery ground. very easy install. the hardest part was finding a way to organize the wires and find a place for the box
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Nipsey
Posted on Friday, March 26, 2010 - 08:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have the Talon works good but it "chirps" at me when the bike idles - makes kind of an intermittent warbling chirpy sound - at first I thought my fan was going out. Posted a question their forum but never saw an answer.
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Greg_e
Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Since Talon never got back to me I went with an Internatrix TW-1000 alarm, should arrive next week and I'll do the install sometime after it arrives. I need to investigate a few things like making an adapter so I can plug in the connection to the lights, I'm not going to bother with the starter bypass, any thief worth their time is going to know that you can push start a bike and none of the alarm companies recommend connecting to the ignition or computer power because none of them are certain enough of their product to do this. Maybe after I use it for a while I'll connect it to the computer to kill power to the ECM, maybe.
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Greg_e
Posted on Monday, March 29, 2010 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Alarm shipped today, should have it on Thursday so now I need to go find the connectors I need so I don't have to butcher the wiring harness. Need male and female "bullet" connectors to hook into the turn signal wires to make a double female to male short adapter cables.
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