| Author | Message | ||
     Lemonchili_x1 |
It's good to see the updated EBR site and the pic of the 1190RR is getting covered by quite a few sites, for example CMG and Dale's Motorcycle Blog among others. I figure any coverage has to be good for EBR, but it makes me want to know more about the bike, and see more pics! The specs say the brakes feature a "ZTL2.5" caliper, as does the 1125RR. Anybody know the difference from a normal caliper? Is this a half-step to ZTL3 that's been mentioned elsewhere? The pic on the EBR site looks like a CAD rendering, but the fairing is noticeably lower at the front (reduced high speed drag?) and that tail section is waaaay sexy  . I wonder if the bikes sent to Pegasusraceteam have the same bodywork? Hopefully they'll post some pics when they receive the first bike  (Sound of Thunder 2010 first round is about six weeks away - 16th to 18th April, Festival of Speed, Eurospeedway Lausitz) It's been commented here and there about where can you race/ride an 1190RR, which got me thinking about how many bikes are bought these days purely for track days. It's not unheard of for a well-heeled collector to buy, say a 1098R, that never gets road registered. Maybe EBR are on to a good thing? (Could there come a time when one of the four Japanese manufacturers release a "track use only" bike?) *Please don't enter into the dyno chart debate on this thread* cheers, chili | ||
| Court |
Sweeeeeet | ||
| Court |
>>>It's not unheard of for a well-heeled collector to buy, say a 1098R, that never gets road registered. We have at least a dozen guys in our Porsche Club who have both cars (GT2's) and bikes that have never been registered or on the street. If you want to see their playground . . check it out . . . . private property, private club . . . do as you wish within the rules. They don't much care what the displacement is. | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
Ahhh, they may have a GT2, but do they have an 1190RR??? I am drooling over the thought of a GT2 though... Very cool playground. An automotive country club, what a great idea. | ||
| M2me |
private property, private club . . . do as you wish within the rules. They don't much care what the displacement is.
If I've got $125,000 to spend on a "Motor Club" initiation I wouldn't care much about displacement.
Who would you join a "Motor Club" without a private heliport?
An "attentive yet discreet staff on hand to service" my needs? What exactly does that mean? Well, I guess I'll never know since I don't have a spare $125,000 or even $50,000 lying around to spend on initiation. The entire Monticello Motor Club site is the very definition of ostentatious. | ||
| Court |
>>>>The entire Monticello Motor Club site is the very definition of ostentatious. Bordering on an MV Agusta F4 club . . . | ||
| Court |
By the way . . . to you and I it appears ostentatious . . to them it's not. The guy my wife works for chartered 3 Gulfstreams and flew the entire office to the Mikinos Islands, off the coast of Greece, for a birthday party. To me that was REAL ostentatious bordering right on his "spare" $60M "weekend home" in England. It's a matter of perspective. To me owning more than one motorcycle is a luxury. | ||
| Patrickmitchell |
As an aside: Monticello is not the most bike friendly of tracks. There is LOTS or armco and not a lot of run off. A few of the track day orgs. are running at there now. Fun can be had, IF you ride under your limit and don't go off. Sorry for the thread jack. | ||
| Glitch |
(Could there come a time when one of the four Japanese manufacturers release a "track use only" bike?) I think they're are enough aftermarket full on race bikes, such as Erion Racing, that the Manufacturers don't really need to, and they can put that money elsewhere. An advantage Buell Racing was well on the way of having. Geico being a major step forward. EBR may never see such an advantage, as long as they're relegated to Race Only bikes. Racing is Marketing, when it comes down to it. Will a major sponsor back a bike that only a few can ride? Probably. Will a major sponsor back a bike that anyone can ride? Yes. I see Erik building bikes for the public, before you see the Big 4 building a Race Only. IMHO that is. Initiation begins at $125,000 with yearly dues presently at $9,000. Limited National Memberships are offered at $50,000 with annual dues reasonably priced at $3,500. I'd be willing to bet money, they're only charging what the market is willing to spend. I'd also bet (maybe not money) that if there were a Private Motorcycle Country Club that was within your means, you'd join regardless of what anyone else thought about it. I know I would. Since I can't I'll try my best to create such a Country Club. And you can bet I'll charge the most the market will be willing to pay. | ||
| Patrickmitchell |
The club opened its doors to the public/track day clubs last year. I suspect/know that the economic climate played a huge role in that decision. The track day public now gets a chance to enjoy a very nice facility. Its funny what can happen when you let the free markets work. Another 1190 link, the comments make for some interesting reading (assuming you need to kill some time online). http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/02/erik-bue ll-racing-1190rr-erik.html#more | ||
| Jaimec |
Both Honda and Yamaha built "homologation specials" that were marginally street legal, but priced beyond most people's means, just so they could take them racing. Remember the Honda RC45 and Yamaha FZR750? | ||
| Greg_e |
How far away is the GSXR from a race only bike? It was always designed for the track first and then modified to sell on the road to support the racing. Being able to walk into a dealership and buy a "racing" cycle has always been the draw that they cater too. And winning on the track equals magazine articles equals showroom sales. That works in most forms of "stock" vehicle racing from bicycles to monster trucks. I do hope that the Buell machines will continue to get good press. This will lead to a partnership with another manufacturer and new designs that live only in Erik's head and in his home that few if anyone has seen. If the 1125 was really from way back in the late 80's, then you know he has more stuff that only he owns that he can put into production. A good season with the 1125r/rr and 1190r would be a really good start toward this end. With the horsepower specs of the 1125rr I see no reason why it can't be competitive with the tweaked liter class 4 cylinder machines except that rules could get in the way and keep these out of various classes once the other guys start getting trounced. I think the Rotax commitment will prove to be wise and we will see some real liter class machines in the next year or two with the same 150 rear wheel horsepower per liter that they other guys are doing (be it twin, triple, or quad cylinder). |
