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Pwnzor
| | Posted on Saturday, February 27, 2010 - 05:31 pm: | 
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I almost made it sound like I never owned an American vehicle.
I think my '72 Caddy was my favorite car ever:
Yes.... that's a roof rack and a CB antenna.
(Message edited by pwnzor on February 27, 2010) |
Cravacor
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 01:50 am: |
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So, it turns out that the government's conspiracy to persecute Toyota in order to sell more GMs may not have gone exactly as planned. According to Nightly Business Review, here are the following sales increases/decreases for February:
GM up 12%
Ford up 43%!!!!
Toyota down 9%
Honda up 13%.
Go Ford! Gotta love this American company that has come out on top & just keeps getting better without the government bailout!  |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 02:24 am: |
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First time Ford has outsold GM in 12 years. . . |
Froggy
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 02:44 am: |
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quote:GM up 12%
GM is up 32% if you only count the 4 core brands and not dead/sold ones.
quote:First time Ford has outsold GM in 12 years. . .
Shocked me too, I am glad to see they are doing so good. Their market share is up 3%.
Its 3am, I will dig into the numbers more later, but I see lots of good for the Big 3.  |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 08:18 am: |
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Me too ....
Porsche, Mercedes and Ford.
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Malott442
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 11:15 am: |
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hahaha, nice |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 12:53 pm: |
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So, it turns out that the government's conspiracy to persecute Toyota in order to sell more GMs may not have gone exactly as planned. According to Nightly Business Review, here are the following sales increases/decreases for February:
GM up 12%
Toyota down 9%
How in the world does that discredit the idea that the government didn't have an agenda in these recalls and congressional hearings? |
Froggy
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 01:23 pm: |
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I did some digging, what many don't remember is that Feb 2009 sales were terrible. Ford sales were down 48% in Feb 2009 vs Feb 2008. The entire industry was down 41% for Feb 2009. So, the 43% increase for Ford was just numbers returning to normal.
Either way, these numbers are proof that things are starting to get better. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 01:34 pm: |
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I wouldn't call it back to normal Froggy. If monthly widget sales of 100,000 drop by 48% you are down to 52,000 per month. When sales pick up by 43% you are only up to 74,360. That's way down from 'normal'. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 02:15 pm: |
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Yep true. I dug up Ford's Feb sales for the last few years just for comparison of before the economy took a dump.
(Ford + Lincon + Mercury)
2006 - 244,021
2007 - 211,150
2008 - 185,294
2009 - 96,044
2010 - 144,000 (Ford.com doesn't list exact figure) |
Swordsman
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 03:09 pm: |
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I'm just glad to see a company that kept their hand out of the Govt. cookie jar surging ahead. Can't help but wonder if that's why they're doing so much better. There are a lot of people out there that are "displeased" with the way they've been throwing our tax money around. Maybe this is Ford's reward?
~SM |
Froggy
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 03:21 pm: |
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For fun I dug up GM's numbers for the same time periods
2006 - 301,545
2007 - 311,763
2008 - 270,423
2009 - 127,296
2010 - 138,849 (4 core brands). I am having a hard time pinning down an exact number including the dead brands, but one site said it was only 300 cars less than Ford's sales. |
Swordsman
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 03:44 pm: |
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Why aren't we counting ALL of GM's brands? Discounting them just because they're suffering (whatever the reason) seems uneven. Spreading themselves so thin in the first place was one of the things that landed them where they are.
~SM
(Message edited by Swordsman on March 03, 2010) |
Froggy
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 03:54 pm: |
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The old brands are long gone and not in production anymore. Any inventory left of them is leftovers. I found the detailed combined numbers.
Feb 2010 - 141,951 total
HUMMER Total 296
Pontiac Total 84
Saab Total 97
Saturn Total 2,625
Dead Brand Total 3,102
I think Buell out sold Pontiac and Saab for February. How many defunct motorcycle companies can say that?  |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 06:25 pm: |
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I'm just glad to see a company that kept their hand out of the Govt. cookie jar surging ahead. Can't help but wonder if that's why they're doing so much better. There are a lot of people out there that are "displeased" with the way they've been throwing our tax money around. Maybe this is Ford's reward?
~SM
+1
I went car shopping with the wife last Saturday just to see what's available. Hit a VW and a Ford dealer. They were both very eager to drive home the point about the Toyota recalls. There's no doubt at all that Toyota is taking a huge hit on this. Given the governments interest in a couple of Toyota's competitors it really doesn't look like they are simply looking out for the people.
I hope Ford kicks their asses! |
Sparky
| | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 03:42 am: |
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This whole flap with Toyota's recalls makes me chuckle.
It's a little ironic that a major foreign car maker has problems with throttles sticking wide open whereas a tiny American motorcycle company equips its vehicles with a device (throttle solenoid) that's programmed to actually close the throttles and, moreover, owners wind up removing said devices to make them go faster. It's a crazy world!
Perhaps Toyota should buy H-D and free up Buell. Then they could learn a thing or two about product safety!!! |
Milt
| | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 11:11 am: |
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Toyota is not alone. This URL summarizes complaints to NHTSA from 1990 to the present.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story Id=124235858 |
Dennis_c
| | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 02:38 pm: |
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Toyota has not fixed the untended acceleration todays paper said there ben 15 more cases after the fix was done. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 03:38 pm: |
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Whatever statistician built that chart for the NPR page ought to be fired.
They are claiming statistically relevant statements based on sample sizes of 1. For the record, anything less then 32 true random samples is not a valid or accurate statistic... and random samples are really hard to ensure, so you crank up the sample size to get more accurate. Statistics 101, which apparently, the table maker failed. 
I feel for Toyota. If this was really a significant defect, you wouldn't be dealing with incidents numbering in the tens when the number of cars is in the millions. So it's a freak occurrence. And the freak occurrence could be confused people (and to some degree it's guarenteed that some percentage is confused or now malicous people). So trying to find the problem will be extraordinarily difficult.
I feel for the poor engineers caught in the meat grinder on this one... If congress is so smart, let the congress person and their aids tear apart a Toyota and show whats wrong... > |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 03:43 pm: |
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Don't we nave NTSB to deal with these problems? What's with the kangaroo court in congress? Aren't they supposed to be working on destroying our health care system or something? |
Rocketsprink
| | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 04:12 pm: |
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yeah! Destroying it by making it affordable! By not allowing insurance companies to raise premiums double and triple digits! What are they thinking??!!
Oh. Reports from 10 Toyota owners so far that had the recall work done, and the cars still accelerate on their own..........good work. |
Hex
| | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 04:15 pm: |
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Toyota believed they could pull the rug out from under the accelerator pedal. |
B00stzx3
| | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 04:54 pm: |
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I'll keep buying my union made Fords. As long as it doesn't have those tires that blow up |
Milt
| | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 05:09 pm: |
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+1 Hex.
Congress loves this kind of thing. They can grandstand without really angering any of their constituents. Plus, it doesn't add to the deficit.
It's marginally more meaningful than questioning jocks about steroids ad nauseum. |
