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Froggy
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 12:08 pm: | 
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quote:Frogs are as close to god as Jeasus and the rest of the holy MEN.
Thats funny, I'm an atheist. |
Jstfrfun
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 12:15 pm: |
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When Christ was teaching his band of merry men he gave them a simple way to obey gods "laws" or "will", that was to love your neighbor as yourself. Now for someone afflicted with self loathing, it makes things more interesting.
Old testament vs New testament refer to Lewis Black, why did the jews need 10 basic laws. |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 03:13 pm: |
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You certainly have a way with words Moxnix, you just insulted well over half the worlds population.
Insulted half the world? Huh. A rose by any other name . . . Perhaps half the world insults me. But I turn the other cheek.
Historical footnote: I was just thinking about being in France 40 years ago and learning that (at the time) children could only have names from the Bible, per some law. Bet that's changed with the infusion of North Africans.
Anyway, the there are two constants in the universe: Change and God. |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 03:27 pm: |
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I hate dishonest debate. The following is dishonest:
quote:You would be incorrect to assert that the laws did not come from God. Interesting politic of opinion."
My statement in entirety was:
quote:If God communicated his laws to man in other than written form, then man wrote them down, then you are correct that God did not "write" the law. You would be incorrect to assert that the laws did not come from God.
That is an iron-clad 100% accurate statement given the premise. To distort it for the purpose of petty ridicule is bizarre behavior.
Strange that you cannot even bring yourself to write "Jesus" without mispelling it.
Hail satan? Does correctly typing the name "Jesus" burn your fingertips or something? |
86129squids
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 04:35 pm: |
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"Why is it that when I see Holy Crap, I think of Mr. Hanky with angel wings?"
HIIIIIIDEE-HOOOOO!!!!!
OK, seriously...
My response to this thread can be summed up thusly:
I remember when Scorsese's "Last Temptation of Christ" first hit the theaters- you know, the one with Willem DaFoe that didn't "exactly" follow what is written in the Bible- ALL the churches went berserk, picketing and boycotting the movie, with very few of those boycotting actually having SEEN the film.
I've seen it, several times, and find that I have a great appreciation of the way it portrays the life of Jesus. Sure Scorsese took some creative liberties with the script, he said that he did- I thought they made for a very good movie, one which furthered my understanding of what Jesus' life may have been like.
I recommend all youn's should see it if you haven't.
ON THE OTHER HAND:
I also remember when Mel Gibson's "Passion" was released, and I've seen it- once, which is plenty. Churches across the country told their congregations to GO see this film, even chartered buses to take people to see this film- somehow it got a PG13 rating, despite the completely gratuitous, relentless gore, and these church leaders thought nothing of sending teens and the rest of their flocks to see it. This ended up being one of the highest grossing films EVAAR (emphasis on "gross"), to my understanding of the Bible it was no better than Scorsese's film. It was a movie, after all. I don't care that it HAD to be done in Aramaic with subtitles- I didn't like the movie or did I gain any greater appreciation of Jesus' experience by watching this film. I find it regrettable and reprehensible for church leaders to have done this, compelling their congregations to see this piece of crap. I do not recommend this film.
Don't get me wrong- I have all respect for good church-going folks, whether it's Pentecostal, Primitive Baptist, Catholic, or Unitarian-Universalist. After all, my sister is a chaplain, she has always done God's work- I know no one else who exemplifies what Jesus taught better. Maybe one day I'll find myself a member again of some church, maybe not. Most of the churches I know of are a little too "holier-than-thou"- I try to live my life by Jesus' example, but I'll always be a sinner one way or another.
I do believe that for most folks church is a good thing- it's just rarely been all that for me. I guess that's what I get for having a Catholic dad and a Baptist mom.
BTW- I'm an agnostic Buellist sociologist. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 04:38 pm: |
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Was it the gore that ruined the film for you? |
Crusty
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 04:52 pm: |
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Was it the gore that ruined the film for you?
Was he talking about Global Warming even then? |
86129squids
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 04:55 pm: |
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I've really no problem with gore, or Gore  and I realize that the term "Passion" is the gist of it, but it was really over the top. I like many of Gibson's films, but he's no theologist. Nor is his dad.
Comparing films, IIRC the problem literalist churchgoers had with the "Last Temptation" was with the part where Jesus was envisioning his life after abandoning the role of Messiah- he had married Mary and had a family, but denied this vision, whilst hanging on the Cross- this was the "last temptation".
As a whole, Scorsese's film was beautiful, the screenplay was very good, it followed scripture very well to tell a great story.
Gibson's film did seem to dwell, even revolve, around the physical destruction of Christ by the Jews and Romans. The Gospels do not. |
Hex
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 05:06 pm: |
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The misspelling was unintentional. Probably due to lack of practice. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 05:09 pm: |
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I believe much of the reactions of "church goers" is knee jerk. It's easier to picket and protest than to sit down and debate and convince.
I find that many church goers find the idea of Christ's temptation unpalatable.
Satan had 40 days and 40 nights to tempt Christ with EVERY temptation from the beginning of time to the end of time.
This would include even the good things in life, marriage, children, mortality.
If you read the historical narratives, the gore, was correct if unattractive. |
86129squids
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 05:41 pm: |
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This may sound trite, but it illustrates my faith pretty well:
The Doobie Brothers, "Jesus Is Just Allright"
Somehow listening to the song on hi-fi really sums it up. Gospel and music need not be mutually exclusive.
Mozart's work denied full interpretation by his librettist.
Words cannot replace an/my experience of faith. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 10:13 pm: |
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My point Hex was that if you don't believe in the existence of God then asking for his autograph is a bit silly. ( well, there were those broken tablets...I saw that in the movie. Wasn't E.G.Robinson great? )
No insult intended...Never Mind. ( read as Emily Litella, for comic effect )
Now, I can agree that all earthly religions are man made, ( or Women made, though they seem fewer) and am myself skeptical when a contemporary human claims to have had direct contact with supernatural being{s}.
Puppies are a miracle. ( and quite a mess to clean up after...) |
Hex
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 10:51 pm: |
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...am myself skeptical when a contemporary human claims to have had direct contact with supernatural being{s. }
So, why so difficult to admit that any human claim is accurate?
We're all just a little too curious as a species. Our great imagination distorts all reality if there is even such a thing. What good are 5 sensed to know the infinite and sublime? Let alone trusting another's story book? |
Hex
| | Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 10:53 pm: |
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I'm sick of this war. The jihad, the rebuttal. I quit the search for a judio/christian/musilm answer. I'm looking to myself now. |
Andymnelson
| | Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 04:12 pm: |
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"but he's no theologist"
actually....by definition, all of us in this thread are theologists, as is Gibson... |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 07:49 pm: |
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Hex, ever hear G'kar's explanation of Truth & God from "Babylon 5"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylAsZQyOBMk
The "teacher" is a fellow who went through torture while a prisoner of his people's enemy. His diary was found while he was thought dead.
His people made him a spiritual leader & martyr... then he returned to find he's become the latest prophet...against his will. ( It's funnier in the show....)
The fellow ( human ) in the doorway is the doctor, who's faith teaches to seek out the kernel of truth in All faiths, and is observing the session. The "they just didn't get it" gesture at the end is priceless.
(Message edited by aesquire on February 01, 2010) |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 - 02:51 am: |
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what happened to all the emo goth girl pics ? <sniff> |
Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:04 am: |
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I hate dishonest debate. The following is dishonest:
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You would be incorrect to assert that the laws did not come from God. Interesting politic of opinion."
My statement in entirety was:
quote:
If God communicated his laws to man in other than written form, then man wrote them down, then you are correct that God did not "write" the law. You would be incorrect to assert that the laws did not come from God.
That is an iron-clad 100% accurate statement given the premise. To distort it for the purpose of petty ridicule is bizarre behavior.
Strange that you cannot even bring yourself to write "Jesus" without mispelling it.
Hail satan? Does correctly typing the name "Jesus" burn your fingertips or something?
Blake, if as you say you hate dishonest debate, you have to accept that what you say is your belief, & that there are other beliefs contrary to your own, which are no less valid for all that.
I don't ridicule anybody's beliefs, as faith is a very personal thing.
I'm pleased for you that yours is so strong, but saddened that you feel obliged to defend it in such an aggressive fashion.
Peace, light & love to all.
PS you misspelled, misspelling.  |
B00stzx3
| | Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 09:09 am: |
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Ride a Buell...it'll reaffirm your faith in a higher power Worked for me! Either that or God is secretly Erik Buell in human form... |
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