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     Aesquire |
"And where are the gays in the military?" "He just cares about equal rights, that's all"  That clip ( who stole Hitlers car, etc. ) has been abused so many times, and it's still funny. Drkside, that clip in no way compares Hitler to Obama. I'd be happy to do so if it makes you feel better...  ( or you could read history on the Weimar Republic & it's socialized medical plan, and what that led to (no grinny, serious statement) ) I have several gay friends in the military or recent prior service. 1 of them is very upset she voted for Obama, since in the year he's been CIC, a couple of her buddies have gotten raked over the coals with Clinton's "don't ask don't tell" insanity. ( typical Clinton, "wouldn't it be great if Hil couldn't even ask who I'm sleeping with?" ) Just another broken promise. I don't know what's in the health care bill, since, unless Pelosi gets it through the house as written by the senate, we may not see the actual text till after it's passed by secret cabal in a back room. Or did I miss it on c-span? Oh'! yeah, another broken promise. Well since global warming is a hoax, at least the Prez. CAN keep the one on lowering the oceans. ( a comment that made me spaz when I heard it, a statement worthy of Caligula! or Knut. ) As for the right leaning folk, don't be too excited about Brown. If he does as hoped, we may be spared a 3000 page bill no ones read, but socialized medicine is a top priority of this admin. There is already talk of a "watered down" (NPR) version in the works. You know that once enacted, any government program will expand to fill it's ecological niche, and this one is designed to kill it's competitors, and be the only one. Like the Highlander. (Message edited by aesquire on January 20, 2010) | ||
| Rocketsprink |
damnut, simmer down. Please explain to me how my comment is an insult to anyone that voted for Brown. Sorry. That's how I learn about things. Reading them. I don't think I said everyone is eligible for FREE HEALTH CARE! "Don't go throwing accusations about me either" Again, I just don't see it. Maybe you're reading too much into what I posted. "always have had insurance, always paid my premiums, always did shit right" Never said you didn't. In all honesty, I hope the job situation turns for the best for you. All that have jobs should consider themselves fortunate. But dude, don't accuse me of doing things I haven't done. | ||
| Aesquire |
Really, take it easy on Rocketsprink, it's not like he thinks that Gore won in 2000, or that Obama was really born in Kenya, Or that Oswald had help on the grassy knoll.  (Message edited by aesquire on January 20, 2010) | ||
| Sifo |
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| Sifo |
I almost forgot... Today is the deadline for closing Gitmo! FAIL! Thank God for that failure! | ||
| Pso |
When did "politician" become a career or occupational title instead of obligation to serve society briefly? I like Plato's requirenment for Gov't leaders. | ||
| Gregtonn |
"I also believe that now it will be even more obvious that the Republican Party is nothing but a bunch of wall street groupies and the party made up of nothing but obstructionists. Now back to the real world." Democrats have the presidency and large majorities in both the house and senate and you blame their inability to pass legislation on Republicans? There are plenty of bumbling idiots on both sides. However at this point the majority are Democrats. Get it? You're right. It's time for you to get back to the real world. G | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The Democratic party has been hijacked by the FAR left socialist/communist members of the party. This group was always good when the Democrats needed a group to go protest something or go out and knock on doors, but they were never intended to be allowed to have leadership roles. Most Democrats are center left in their political leanings. Zell Miller/Joe Lieberman types. The problem is that once the radical left was allowed to take the mantle of leadership, the center left Democrats were strong armed into compliance. Statistically, the nation is center right in it's overall belief system: PRINCETON, NJ — The increased conservatism that Gallup first identified among Americans last June persisted throughout the year, so that the final year-end political ideology figures confirm Gallup’s initial reporting: conservatives (40%) outnumbered both moderates (36%) and liberals (21%) across the nation in 2009. The more radical the current leadership moves the political land scape, the less sure will the footing become moving forward. Odd that when Republicans are acting at the will of the people to oppose Cap and Trace, National Healthcare, and a ballooning Federal budget that they are called "obstructionists". Sometimes preventing bad legislation from being enacted is the will of the people. | ||
| Crusty |
Sometimes, preventing legislation is the will of large, profitable industries, with well funded, generous lobbyists. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Yep, and they've duped the vast majority of the country by buying them all off.  Sometimes the people can smell a bag of shit without the direction of their corporate overlords. Healthcare Reform Stats | ||
| Cityxslicker |
You know those numbers mean nothing if you grant amnesty to all the illegals, let them vote, .... and ta-da national healthcare, right out of your middle class pocket. Enjoy the CHANGE. | ||
| Damnut |
Rocco, it's all good. Please disregard any comments I made. I can't believe I got pulled into a political thread. I'm not even a political person.   | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
you are more of a albino polly wog person... | ||
| Aesquire |
Never mind the current house or senate bill. It's an abomination with both private & govt. insurance companies, and doesn't either cover everybody, or improve things. They don't get rid of the old stuff that's going broke and screwing us now, but add more of the same. The Unions, Insurance companies, Pharma companies & everyone else has put their 2 cents, and millions in bribes in, and it's a monster. Anyone here and I could write a better bill in half a day with a pen & paper & a few beers. Seriously. Don't you think you could do better with less crap? Desired ( stated ) result of "health care reform" is a one payer system... also known as we all get taxed for health care for everyone. Now, because of the venal & fallible nature of man, and bureaucracies everywhere, that system seems to always consume more & more money, and give worse & worse results. That is the crux of the argument. Do you believe that the same kind of people that run the DMV or Post Office will provide you with better & cheaper care than people who want to cure people? The existing system is a partially socialized system, with millions of govt. workers AND millions of insurance people, working to make you pay for everything as much as possible as they give you less & less. Certainly the existing system isn't close to perfect. BUT, is there a good example of govt. taking over an insurance program that cost less & worked better? Now, one cynical but true reason they never will toss the existing bureaucracies and make a simple, rational health insurance system is that millions of very well paid govt. workers would be laid off. Not going to happen. | ||
| Damnut |
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| M2me |
Anyone here and I could write a better bill in half a day with a pen & paper & a few beers. Seriously. No, we couldn't. Well, after a few beers we might think we could! But seriously, we couldn't. This is the trouble with America. We label everyone with expertise as an "elitist". We brand any idea that might benefit our nation as "socialist". The only person we trust is the guy sitting on the next bar stool. The reality is that the guy sitting on the next bar stool is even drunker and stupider than we are, but he's our go to guy every time. What a waste of a precious dream we all are! | ||
| Monzaracer |
Hey guys donmt forget that this will not effect anyone inside government as they have free health care for life anyway at our expense. First line I want in any healthcare reform is that all of the house,senate,congress and president only get government subsidized health care, say like medicare is already. My mother is a transplant recipient, my aunt worked hard and got lots of her drugs for free/reduced cost. The Medicare as of now only lets her have 4 days advance on hand, doctors told her she was to have 30 days at best and 2 weeks at worst. Heck you think walmart is bad they had to order her anti rejection medicine and she was down to 1 or 2 days. She has switched now I believe but idiocy in spades, and now they want government to control things, yeah right. Oh and just for s**ts and giggles, they asked Obama about making it easier on motorcyclists, to save fuel, with better safety lanes, tax breaks,etc and he blew that off. you go to many third world countries and you see scooters and mopeds and small motorcycles carrying literally 5 or 6 or more people, or one person and many hundreds of pounds of stuff back and forth. Cars/trucks are a rarity. Friend on religious mission work was astounded at numbers of this type of transportation,then had his Blast shipped over after car was blown up they had been given by local church. Anyone who wants to know when Obama, Pelosi or Reid are liars, look for them to be speaking. Most for get unions helped him into office and now they want their Cadillac plans exempt from the tax if reform goes through. He said no new earmarks, well its recorded over 9000 have been added to already enacted legislation, and the big ones in current crap legislation are just staggering. | ||
| Drkside79 |
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| Ft_bstrd |
The original Constitution had 4 (four) pages. If you can create a nation in 4 f*cking pages, you can write a healthcare bill in less than 2,000. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Who was that democrat running for president in the primaries that warned democrats in a live debate that obama, clinton and edwards were in bed with hedge fund companies or something of the sort. | ||
| Aesquire |
I take that back, M2me couldn't. Most of the rest of us could though. He thinks that politicians have expertise in something besides bribes & bullcrap. | ||
| Roadcouch98 |
Anyone considering that they want Gov't Controlled/Rationed Healthcare ? Watch the Documentary of Willowbrook School. Enough said .......................... | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
I work with a Vet who would rather pay for healthcare than go to the VA. He has chronic back problems. | ||
| Aesquire |
We label everyone with expertise as an "elitist". no, that's an "expert". An elitist is one who thinks you are an idiot, and he is all knowing, because of birth or job, with no relation to actual knowledge. Like many politicians... for example, the one who recently asked incredulously "As opposed to standing outside Fenway Park? In the cold? Shaking hands?" We brand any idea that might benefit our nation as "socialist". No, I brand socialist ideas as socialist. Since they are socialist. I brand ideas that might benefit our nation as ...ideas that might benefit our nation. Perhaps if they are ideas that would for sure benefit our nation, I'd even call them "good" ideas. I don't drink all that much, & I'm pretty sure the guy on the bar stool down the road, in the bar, is drunker than I am, though he might be smarter, when sober, if not for that drinking thing. Sorry if some here feel like a waste. | ||
| Blake |
Destroying the inane prattle of dishonest socialists is too easy for you Patrick. | ||
| Aesquire |
Blake, the amazing thing to me is the Dem's could have sold us socialized medicine, if they were (mostly) honest and played it right. how about... "we will end Medicare & medicaid, and eliminate all the hassle of dealing with those annoying insurance companies. Everyone gets covered with a small but fair tax across the board. Say, 10% on everyone's paycheck, and the savings from cutting the bureaucracy will let us start eliminating the budget deficit. All medical decisions will be between you and your doctor, and your health records will be private, yet instantly available to all health care providers. Payment to health care professionals will be in full, and prompt, enabling them to reduce rates with no more worries about getting paid from the insurance companies, uninsured people clogging up the E-R's and for illegal aliens, we will treat then charge their home governments for treatment, taking it out of their foreign aid if need be to eliminate the rewards some nations have for outsourcing their income & costs." Now if you didn't know how unlikely that was, ( see my rant from yesterday ) it sure would sound good, and I bet it would pass in a hurry. Good thing progressives lie all the time about their real motives, and so transparently too. ( and I'm grateful I read Alinsky as part of independent study in high school... funny enough, about the time Hillary was doing her thesis on him ) | ||
| Nevrenuf |
I work with a Vet who would rather pay for healthcare than go to the VA. He has chronic back problems. i'm more than sure he's not alone with that statement. i have to wait at least a month for an app't to see my primary dr. at the va. the only way i get to see one sooner is to go to the va emergency room and even then it can take all night cause i've been there too. you people that think socialized health care is gonna be great have never spent anytime in a va hospital. although it is free to me, it isn't all that great and there is nothing you can say that's gonna convince me otherwise. | ||
| Teeps |
Rocketsprink Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 What, no comment from rocketsprink yet? Sorry teeps, I have a life outside this place. And, yet here you are... | ||
| Roadcouch98 |
Aesquire, Your remedy for Healthcare Reform should be submitted to the New York Times. Roadcouch98 | ||
| Pso |
Nevrenuf-I think it is disgraceful to treat vets that way. Now the other side of the coin, I belive the Univ. Of Md. med. school this year only graudated something like three docs that wanted to do primary care. I work in a hospital and all the docs say the only way to make money now is procedural medicine and defenensive med. it can take several months to see a family doc here and also it is hard (and impossible in a top rated practice)to get accepted by a practice taking new pt.s unless you want to be seen by a nurse practiconer (excepting of course is botuque pratices). These folks (NP's) are well intended, however sometimes they just do not know what they do not know. Also the only way some docs that want to practice family med. the way they believe it should be practiced, is by useing nurses extensively. One doc that graduated about ten years ago told me she was taught that she should spend no more than 8 minutes and if possile less with each pt. Also procedural med. is failing. I got into a major argument with my neurologist because he had recommended a spinal puncture and I informed him that 4 years prior the Cllege of Neurology and Psychiatry had stated that no longer a spinal puncture should be used for dagnosis of this malady an MRI is sufficient. If he had not discharged me, I would have droped him due to his not even staying current wit his specialty. Sorry state of affairs, American Health care. |
