| Author | Message | ||
     Rocketman |
Patrick, are you really this far behind? http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE5BQ06J200912 28 Perhaps explains how the Queens hut (see that's deference, self effacing at that, right there uglynut) could be mistaken for Gordon Brown's and his mates den. | ||
| Rocketman |
In my opinion, if we could have our troops dip their ammo in pigs blood, no Muslim would fu*k with US troops cause if they got shot their ticket to heaven would be canceled. Yeah that would work, until they pi$$ back in your Cornflakes. Your compassion towards all mankind is duly noted sir. Take a Mogadon and chill out man. | ||
| Mudinmyvaynes |
I'm sorry, but you don't come over here, blow up the trade towers and the pentagon, and the detroit flight, and expect to receive compassion for muslims from me. Won't happen, if I got in a fight with a towel head I would gladly adorn all my fighting equipment with pigs blood, hell, I'd even keep a syringe of it to squirt on my knuckles before a punch. | ||
| Mudinmyvaynes |
Or to squirt all over them, in fact, I'd use a supersoaker, and I'd laugh while I was doing it. | ||
| Eaton_corners |
Many in the U.S. still adhere to the same principles and opinions as our founders. If You know who George Washington was, You can get a better understanding of our way of thinking. George Washington1793 — Fifth Annual Message Category: National Defense There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war. Reference: George Washington: A Collection, W.B. Allen, ed. (488 | ||
| Rocketman |
I don't see much if any relevance to a 200 year old ideology designed to defend a fledgling nation bent on killing off its indigenous population and severing its ties with the old country, to what is happening in the world today where America is concerned. I'm sure you do though, and no doubt you'll lecture on how noble such a gesture of freedom it is to play with guns. Not sure what this has to do with Afghanistan and Iraq, but I do see how the words of clever men all those years ago has transcended into what some think is a relevance to point a gun at other nations because you think you have the right. I wonder what it would be like had the gun been taken away from the common man say 100 years ago, and how your views might be different towards others had you not had the right to kill instilled in your heritage. Rambo's got nothing on some of you. | ||
| Aesquire |
Gee, Rocket, I think George Washington's re-statement of classic Roman & English wisdom has nothing to do with a 200 year old ideology. It's simply, "If you would have peace be thou prepared for war". Good advice for all time. Although I understand the sentiment, the pig's blood thing belongs to a different era. Maybe sarcastic cartoons? Ask Rocket about the crap England & India went through when a rumor spread among Muslims that the paper cartridges used by the military were sealed in pig tallow. And a rumor among Hindus that they were sealed with beef tallow. It's known as The Mutiny. I did link to an unrest in Iran story, Didn't know that "an opposition leader" said any particular thing. Don't see the big deal. Obama is committed to "dialog" with the mullah's minions, and didn't make a big deal out of supporting the citizens back during the "election". I don't agree with Obama on the course to take, but Understand his fear that Western support for the rebels would brand them as foreign supported. I understand, but the bad guys already blame everything on English & CIA agents, so why not actually do something? Obama I bet won't. (Message edited by aesquire on December 28, 2009) | ||
| Eaton_corners |
http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php? id=16-03-045-f A commentary on writings from one of your countrymen, C.S. Lewis. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Blah, blah, blah. Pigs blood: urban legend but the myth did slow down the rate of suicide bombers in Israel. (it couldn't be implemented because pork is unclean to Jews as well.) Guys seem to keep forgetting that you've got a bunch of friendlies working with you that won't like the blood thing either. US has every right to defend its interests. Hunt down those who hurt the US, no problem. Still unsure why invasions took place. Back to Court's initial statement. There were once forces whose role it was to play hunt and seek for realsies. They'd worry about international borders after. I understand Reagan dismantled them and nobody has rebuilt them. The victories listed above are not. They cannot be presented as finished. Military history suggest that they will not finish in a way that George Washington would be proud of. And let's not play that out of context card again. How shallow the knowledge of history is. Okay, Interpol. not a police force, okay? That's the movies. US police work as Interpol agents within the US just like nationals in many other countries. Other nationals don't have the authority in the US. US laws are paramount. US police forces are loaned to Interpol to work on international crimes like porn or smuggling. The US is still sovereign within the US which is the way it should be. And, by the way, the US police working with interpol have done great works, you should be very proud of them. Seriously, I'm not being ironic here. When you read about an international child sex smuggling ring being broken up somewhere, your guys are big players. The nature of the work is that the local police get the credit because, like here, international police don't have any authority. Making the world safe, one child at a time: this is a good thing. | ||
| Ulynut |
There's a massive difference between political satire and plain dumb ignorance It's a matter of respect. There are certain comments in your posts that appear to antagonistic and disrespectful. I rather enjoy the game when it's played with respect to the other participants. Your "political satire" crosses that line. Proceed, smartass.  | ||
| Rocketman |
It's a matter of respect. Is it? You could have fooled me given your only two comments to me in this topic were disrespectful...... Nice try, Troll.  Get it right yourself.  ........generous of you to allow yourself such privilege but find it distasteful when returned. There are certain comments in your posts that appear to antagonistic and disrespectful. I rather enjoy the game when it's played with respect to the other participants. Your "political satire" crosses that line. Of course they can be antagonistic. Am I not entitled these same privileges also, or are they exclusive to you only? Ironically I could suggest such to be the opinions of a nation or threes people to which America interferes in. Yes that would be smart arse of me - so I won't. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Hey Sean, Ahhh seems like old times my friend. I will attempt to clear a couple of things: Iraq/Afghanistan= first the attack on the twin towers horribly mishandled IMHO by Bush at the time, then it became Unical pipeline in Afghanistan and of course there is some oil in Iraq if I am not mistaken, strategic position in that region, right or wrong you cannot get the shit back in the horse now. All the rest of the stuff about Saddam this or WMD that, to me, seemed like a cover story to get the foothold that was probably necessary at some point to take the fight to Iran. Places to stage troops for a future invasion. It seems to be it will come at some point, just a matter of what will be the tip off. Guns in America= Well we were British subjects for quite some time before the Revolution and the founding fathers had a deep seeded mistrust of government at any level, they imparted a singular wisdom that a well armed populace could more easily secure it's freedom from a tyrannical government than peasants with pitchforks and axes. I have a tendency to agree with this, it is always good to have a deterrent I think in domestic or international political realms. Interpol= I don't know how they work, but at some point if you want to enforce international law without the compromise of local affiliations you must have an outside agency that has less ties to the local authorities, it would seem from a post previously that it is staffed to local authorities so I am not sure what Interpol has in terms of power. The White Hut= Funny shit buddy. I get what you were saying I think. Obama is a socialist, IMHO, and to someone that has lived in a more socialized country like the UK, then maybe that is not so bad, but for us, those that REALLY do not want any form of socialism, it is a very disturbing prospect. I personally want nothing to do with more government, IMHO they should protect the coast, tote the mail and negotiate treaties for trade and leave the rest up to individual states. The fed should only interfere to preserve constitutional rights of citizens in the face of corruption. Problem is the Fed is the most Corrupt. Have a good day Sean, catch you on the MotoGP thread. | ||
| Rocketman |
The White Hut= Funny shit buddy. Well, I'd never seen a White House in Africa so it seemed a logical progression having a black man in the White House, mud hut to white hut. At least someone got it at last Dale. I think the fear is, a black man shows great change (obviously), but it also shows anything can happen. With a global recession bankrupting the strongest of corporations, and those mega finance houses collapsed from trillions to nothing, the alarm bells are ringing in the ears of the wealthy or just well heeled as the less fortunate are joined in their ranks by those falling from their own good grace - money and power. The fear is not of a socialist society, but that choice is not there and into the doldrums anyone can fall. And in that fall, socialism is a more ordinary even natural existence one is landed in. You might not be a socialist, but you might not have the choice. Obama intends to level the field, such as the health care point will show if he gets his way. The American Dream is over is the fear of falling into the working class trap. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Sean, I don't quite think the American Dream is over, but if those of us on this side of the pond do not put up a fight with those currently in power, socialism may breed like maggots on a corpse. The health care plan will never come to the fruition that he wants, at least not in his presidency, and that is all they are after really, indoctrinate the youth as did other cultures in the past. If you get the younger generations used to it then as they grow older the protests lessen. Then they can take liberty after liberty, lock down the citizenry more and more and then it will be a complete nanny state. Hopefully there is enough fight left in the dog to keep the dream alive as opposed to the alternative. Unfortunately we have way to many jumping on the bandwagon because in the short term they benefit from it, and there is a damn the consequence attitude on what it will take away in the long term. I think you put too much emphasis on his color, as I could careless what color our leader is, I care more for a leader that would care as much for the future of the country as the future of his political career. Although I don't think they exist anymore...... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Given the choice between a liberal white candidate and a conservative black candidate, most conservatives would vote for the conservative candidate regardless of color. The media MUST blame his freefall on his race because they can't fathom any other reason for the decline. We saw much of this with Carter. The pendulum will swing back. It always does. Obama's experiment will come to an end. America will recover. Neither the American experiment nor the American dream are dead. We haven't even begun to fight. We survived our worst enemies during the Civil War. We will survive this as well. | ||
| Aesquire |
It's the concept of class we reject. Sure, we have rich guys, poor guys, and a large bunch that are in the middle somewhere. Some few "royal" families, that come and go, as the idiot grandsons waste away the fortunes their grandfathers made. Usually with hard work, sometimes with cunning & theft. The Kennedy's for example, who made a fortune in rum running, ( profiting from a failed social experiment ) and is trailing off, after quite some political success, with a guy who is trying to save the polar bear from Al Gore's hoax, with other peoples money. We don't have classes. ( or we have no class...which is funnier, and actually fair ) I thought the White Hut thing was funny too. Obama was raised communist & muslim & with racists. He believes in class. Progressives usually do. They are the fruits of Marx in America, a political movement that for a century hides behind the lie that they "care" about others & not power. | ||
| Tom_b |
One question for Rocketman, I know this slows your rant a little. But back to the original subject. Does YOUR government allow INTERPOL this kind of power in YOUR country? I.E full immunity from search, subpeona, disclosure? You seem worried about the US being kept in check. what about where you live? I doubt very much Scotland Yard or the average Brit would allow this. Why should our FBI or the average american? | ||
| Swampy |
Nancy Pelosi is a person that obviously believes in Class, and that of the ruling class, I can never forget the look on her face and her mouth dropping open when the representative yelled "LIAR" during the presidents speach. There is another group of people amongst us that are a great threat to American's freedom, that is the Esquires amongst us. A class of self apointed nobles, Pettifoggers, obstructers of justice, complicating common law and practice, making access to the legal system unduly expensive and wasteful of our lives and resources. Just watch the old John Wayne movie Allegany Uprising to see how simply a court of your peers was supposed to work. The new "Police Force" will be established, we will sit back and sleep through the next incremental step. I'm sorry, what were we discussing? (Message edited by swampy on December 28, 2009) | ||
| Rocketman |
As a member state of the EU the UK is with EUROPOL and closely linked to INTERPOL. I'm unclear as to what you mean by 'power'. What is it you imagine INTERPOL will do to the detriment of your country? Given you're already members of INTERPOL............... Don't get me wrong. I believe the police have far too much power here these days, but........ if that's the argument, that INTERPOL have power within your nation, what the hell do I know. My wondering is what you as a nation don't want to share? | ||
| Rocketman |
As for what the average Brit allows, we have 1% of the worlds population, yet 20% of the worlds CCTV cameras. 1 camera for every 14 of us in fact. The London borough of Croydon has more CCTV cameras than the whole of New York. We live in a very much scrutinised somewhat oppressive nation these days. Every time a cash withdrawal is made from an ATM type machine we are caught on CCTV. Life goes on. So does crime. Still! | ||
| Rocketman |
Isn't Obama's health care bill about reducing costs and making health care more available to those less fortunate? Is it the increase in cost to those more well off, or something more trying to ordinary American folk that has many against it? | ||
| X5thxgearxfreak |
One can barely take a pi$$ in an alley without being caught on CCTV. I think they can shove their CCTV idea where the sun doesn't shine. Atleast they gave us pop-up urinals though, those are nice. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Isn't Obama's health care bill about reducing costs and making health care more available to those less fortunate? Is it the increase in cost to those more well off, or something more trying to ordinary American folk that has many against it? You have just described the wrapper around the pile of shit that the health care bill is. Were it just that, I believe the majority of the people in the US would be for it. This "wrapper" is the manner by which the ruse has been sold. 51% elected Obama 67% are against this bill Folks with common sense believe that a tourniquet to stop an artery would be prudent. Most with common sense also understand that a proctological exam will do little to stop the bleeding. This bill is about seizing control in a way never before attempted in the US. Additionally, there is absolutely no provision in the Constitution for this law to stand. To draw a very crude parallel, it is as though the Queen just passed a law dissolving the House of Commons. The law to dissolve the House of Lords, Cap and Trade, is waiting in the wings. Once these two are complete, there will be no limit to the reach of the Federal Government. Instead of one Monarch or Dictator, we'll have an oligarchy of 435+100+9+1. We will have a new "sovereign" to lord over us granting prosperity to only those in whom the ruling class find favor. We already have a near hereditary title in the Kennedys, the Rockefellers, etc. We colonials fled the shores of your beloved nation to pursue a course of action dictated by the people exercising the free expression of the freedom granted to them by God. In the last few months, we've taken the steps to create for ourselves the very nature of governance we fled 289 years ago. Our complaint was never with the British people (we share more in common with our brethren of the crown than any other nation on earth and would fight to defend you as you would fight to defend us). We simply sought to take a different path. Not being a US citizen, it is hard for outsiders to understand just what is taking place here. No other nation has exercised or enjoyed the level of freedom experienced by those in America. Moving from where we were to where other nations are with regard to freedom seems reasonable to outsiders but is foreign, alien, and onerous to Americans. Liberal and Conservative. Well. At least Conservative. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Repeat: We're talking about the regular US Police, performing under regular US laws and authority, loaned out to Interpol to help resolve international crimes. Any other national is under the same loan arrangement from their own country and have no jurisdiction abroad. US in the US, RCMP in Canada, Scotland Yard in the UK (and state/provincial/local bodies). They cross borders to help but they can't enforce or act. Scenario: a Philippine child sex trafficking/smuggling centre is broken up and the owners arrested. It is the Philippine police that get the credit. However, the RCMP and the US Marshals led the investigation, helped the locals to gather evidence and provided expertise to prepare for court. It is totally a local action, the RCMP and the Marshals have no jurisdiction (Tommy Lee Jones line goes here). | ||
| Tom_b |
Did anyone here not read the text of the executive order.. It gives INTERPOL immunity from prosecution, search and discovery warrants. That is giving an international police force more power inside the US than any domestic police force.. It does not say agents of the us working on behalf of INTERPOL. So the basic take is they can come here pretty much do what they want and be immune from our laws that govern any of our domestic forces. Pretty much like diplomatic immunity, except they are in a POLICE capacity. Archangel your interpretation is not what the EO states. CAN'T you read Even if your interpretation is correct, it is giving ANY police force immunity from discovery warrants, search warrants and prosecution of wrongdoing while working in conjunction with interpol. I UNDERSTAND INTERPOL has done a lot of international good, not enough should concentrate on illegal drugs and guns more than they do. But WHY the immunity exemption when even the FBI doesn't have that sort of carte Blanche (Message edited by tom_b on December 29, 2009) | ||
| Tom_b |
Rocketman what power i refer to is being totally immune from the laws that govern the rest of our nations LEO.. Meaning the right to pretty much seize people, kick down doors and not even work with the fbi or leos. What do they have to be afraid of .. OBAMA just gave them immunity | ||
| Tom_b |
Archangel.. Scenario, a US citizen is considered a suspect by INTERPOL in some crime. they seize that person financial record without subpeona, hold that person without subpeona, put that person on a watchlist so that person can't travel. the whole time never having to go explain to a US judge whatand why they are doing it. Not a big to you?? Let it happen in Canada to someone you know. It will be a big deal to see their life ruined, never be prosecuted and then never to know why or have legal recourse against unlawful prosecution | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Tom: I can read. You are wrong. Do your own research, it's EO 12425, google it. Don't be sheep. The EO expedites Interpol staff and teams coming to the US to assist US police. Other countries have similar laws to assist US police going abroad. 1. Nope, no foreign police force can legally arrest you in your own country. They can assist LEOs but only LEOs can arrest and only under the laws of your own country. 2. You are mistaken about Diplomatic Immunity, which is close enough to what we're talking about. Diplomatic Immunity is not absolute. Any country can ask/demand that a foreign diplomat can be recalled. They do, and the US does ask/demand as well. 3. The immunity, which you misunderstand, was already in the original EO, sec. 7. That was not one of the sections Obama changed. Feel better now? Good night. | ||
| Tom_b |
You have some very valid points and i understand what your saying..But a EO like this can be construed in many different ways. That is the problem. Immunity goes a long way. I still don't feel better about what rights we do have being tossed by our govt. | ||
| Rocketman |
What am I missing here? How does the proposed health care bill "seize control in a way never before attempted in the US". What's the link between spending billions of taxpayer money for a broader better more accessible health service which supposedly cuts some of the need for health insurance as individuals you pay for? Is there a suggestion the increase in tax revenue will be farmed off elsewhere or something? Are your fiscal records not transparent like say those of the UK government? Surely you see where the money is spent? I'm not clear at all how this is a wrapper around a pile of shit and what control you speak of, to and for who? Please explain. |
