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Sifo
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 10:00 am: | 
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Disaster stuff has to be staged better, true.
The problem with the Katrina example is how do you stage the disaster stuff? You can't put National Guard, equipment, and supplies right in harms way of a huge hurricane. You would just create more victims and lose all your supplies. Keeping everything at a safe distance as was done is the correct call. The problem then is that roads are impassible with flooding, downed trees and other debris.
In this case FEMA was further hampered by a Governor that was refusing to give up control to the feds. That was her choice to make, but should not reflect negatively on FEMA.
Without a doubt the failure to evacuate according to the disaster plans was on of the biggest failures. Afterward it was made worse by a petty power struggle. |
Iamarchangel
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 01:36 pm: |
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Your answers are in your posts. Each question was known well in advance. It was the responsibility of FEMA to answer those questions before the tragedy.
Yes, I have access to other information, Yes, it is as bad as you are suggesting.
Honest questions from a foreign observer, whose Canadian organization did help rebuild houses after: why is it taking so long for the worlds greatest superpower to rebuild the city?
And what is the truth about Galveston Island? Honest question: I've seen the casualty stats, I've read the "anti-conspiracy" articles, but I've never seen the corrected stats. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 04:27 pm: |
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"Honest questions from a foreign observer, whose Canadian organization did help rebuild houses after: why is it taking so long for the worlds greatest superpower to rebuild the city?"
Several reasons:
1. The government is not responsible for repairing private property.
2. The NO city council/mayor, in an effort to keep outsiders from coming in and taking jobs from local construction workers, have effectively banned non NO natives from working there. Even non profit organizations doing restoration work are being harassed.
3. Hardly anyone who is not from NO really cares if the cesspool of a town exists. It was a craphole before Katrina, it still is. The piles of garbage just got moved around by the storm. The only difference is now the politicians have more money (from federal assistance) to bribe people with and take kickbacks from. Louisiana has historically had the most corrupt political structure in the US.
4. A great many NO residents fled NO before the storm, and never moved back. Their property has been destroyed and abandoned.
There are many more reasons...some folks are being told their perfectly habitable property is being condemned and they can't make repairs. The more the city condemns, the more they can sell off to developers. Again, this is corrupt politicians at work.
It's easy to sit a few thousand miles away and say you'd do things differently, but when you get closer and see the self imposed problems, it'll make you want to wash your hands of it, just as the rest of America has.
I have been to NO before the storm and after. It's only a 5 hours drive. The city will never be the same. Most of it is just not worth rebuilding. They've lost a good portion of their residents. There are more homes than people to live in them...why build/rebuild more? |
Cowboy
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 05:53 pm: |
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You dont know the 1/2 of it--A lot of the small towns that is located 2 or 300 miles in land has had it with the scum bags that did leave they tried to destroy the public buildings (schools and churches )that the good citizens provided for them. we have instructed the public officials if and when it happens again they will not be alowed to stop they must pass on through. |
86129squids
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 06:20 pm: |
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"That reminds me, I've got three grand-kids coming over this afternoon, ages, 6, 3 and 2.
For the most part, they play well together but they'll still blame each other.
It's a good thing they don't know the rude words yet."
LOL!! Well put, by a long shot...
I've yet to wade through all the posts yet, doubt I'd make it all the way through, but I've just $.02:
Whatever: Keep on keeping on, don't let the bastiges get you down.
FVB: Lay off the far right "talking points", be true to yourself, and work on analyzing all points of view. I've gotten used to not following your threads, too predictable. There's a big world out there, bigger than you know.
Me: Put on flame-retardant clothes. |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 06:51 pm: |
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FVB: Lay off the far right "talking points", be true to yourself, and work on analyzing all points of view.
Why do some feel the need to tell others what opinions they should hold. You have yours - I have mine. I have analyzed other points of view and I've come to the conclusion they suck.
I've gotten used to not following your threads, too predictable.
You followed this one !!!
There's a big world out there, bigger than you know.
How presumptuous of you to assume to know what I know. I have seen the rest of the world and for the most part I wouldn't trade you a pack of Kools for it. I'm not interested in a dialogue with Osama Bin Ladin or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or learning what western movies Kim Jong - il enjoys. |
Whatever
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 10:29 pm: |
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Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 10:43 pm: |
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Whatever
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 10:48 pm: |
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Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 10:55 pm: |
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Whatever
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 11:00 pm: |
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Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 11:03 pm: |
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Jasonnennig
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 11:24 pm: |
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Ding Ding Ding...Children back to class, play time is over.  |
Whatever
| | Posted on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 11:25 pm: |
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Now back to our program of meaningless bickering... |
86129squids
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 01:13 pm: |
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(Where's Barney the Dinosaur when you need him?)
"Why do some feel the need to tell others what opinions they should hold. You have yours - I have mine. I have analyzed other points of view and I've come to the conclusion they suck."
Value judgements are destructive to our proper business, which is curiosity and awareness. John Cage
"How presumptuous of you to assume to know what I know. I have seen the rest of the world and for the most part I wouldn't trade you a pack of Kools for it. I'm not interested in a dialogue with Osama Bin Ladin or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or learning what western movies Kim Jong - il enjoys."
Good point- those guys, by creed, CANNOT have a dialogue. Be careful you don't end up like them, my friend...
Wow- you're excluded a whole bunch of great stuff, you know, the rest of the world and such.
So- wanna go drink a beer with me sometime and shoot the shizzznit?
Seriously- don't be so serious. Aint healthy to be angry all the time. Didn't expect my $.02 to be so valuable to you as to get your back up, but hey.
Peace out, folks... you too, FVB...  |
Whatever
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 02:24 pm: |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIUKrvWZn-Y&feature =related |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 02:43 pm: |
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You lefties really are an amusing bunch. Lecturing others about things they should or shouldn't be doing, all the while, ignoring the fact you're doing the same thing. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 08:04 pm: |
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I kept expecting an explosion at the end of the video  .
I used to have the "barney" mod for "Castle Wolfenstein" ( the original ) where you fought Beavis & Butthead and Barney was the end boss. Beavis with his "heh, heh heh heh" was bad enough...the "I love you" with fireballs.... it could haunt your dreams. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 11:18 pm: |
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Ferris, do you think that instead of ignoring the fact it's a deliberate PR technique to blame the other party preemptively for what they themselves are doing?
I'm talking "Dem Party/progressive" leadership primarily. It carries down in the repeated propaganda repetition, but it's not a way of thought that comes naturally to most. So, it's not the parrot, but the trainer that reinforces the tendency to blame the other "side" when criticism is heard. I mean it's what they hear, so it's what they say...
Just a thought.
Sifo, good point (I meant to say that ) on the problem of having relief supplies in the disaster area.
(Message edited by aesquire on December 29, 2009) |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 12:47 pm: |
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Look, they have Hurricanes EVERY year, with varying severity and degrees of damage across the gulf. You live there by choice, you take your risks. Its the same as living in Tornado Alley.
When it up roots your trailer park, are you really that surprised>?
If you dont want to be threatened by hurricanes, dont live there. |
Metalrabbit
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 01:38 pm: |
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yeah and all the hurricanes & twisters from now on are Obamas fault. And they will only hit the counties that voted for Obama from now on. And if he ever try's to land on an aircraft carrier we'll get really mad.
(Message edited by metalrabbit on December 30, 2009) |
86129squids
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 01:50 pm: |
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"You lefties really are an amusing bunch. Lecturing others about things they should or shouldn't be doing, all the while, ignoring the fact you're doing the same thing."
And...
"I'm talking "Dem Party/progressive" leadership primarily. It carries down in the repeated propaganda repetition, but it's not a way of thought that comes naturally to most. So, it's not the parrot, but the trainer that reinforces the tendency to blame the other "side" when criticism is heard. I mean it's what they hear, so it's what they say... "
Both statements can easily swap the labels "lefties" and "Dem party/progressives" with "righties", "conservatives" and remain just as true/valid.
Aesquire's point really rings true when thought of in the context of most talk radio blathering nowadays.
As for meself, I ain't no "leftie"- truth be told, I do my best to stay away from "labeling"- prejudice is too easily fed by labeling people/things when one really doesn't know them.
Aint "lecturing", FVB, just sayin'. Are you lecturing?
When are we gonna go drink a beer or two, youn's? Lotsa good stuff to talk about, I gotta good sense of humor, no trouble employing said humor whilst talking about politics/religion/your mother... |
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