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     Ferris_von_bueller |
The scheme is finally coming undone. It's a good thing I don't control the world or these phonies would be summarily executed. We are surrounded by our enemies and they are many. By THE WASHINGTON TIMES Scientific progress depends on accurate and complete data. It also relies on replication. The past couple of days have uncovered some shocking revelations about the baloney practices that pass as sound science about climate change. It was announced Thursday afternoon that computer hackers had obtained 160 megabytes of e-mails from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) in England. Those e-mails involved communication among many scientific researchers and policy advocates with similar ideological positions all across the world. Those purported authorities were brazenly discussing the destruction and hiding of data that did not support global-warming claims. Professor Phil Jones, the head of the Climate Research Unit, and professor Michael E. Mann at Pennsylvania State University, who has been an important scientist in the climate debate, have come under particular scrutiny. Among his e-mails, Mr. Jones talked to Mr. Mann about the "trick of adding in the real temps to each series ... to hide the decline [in temperature]." Mr. Mann admitted that he was party to this conversation and lamely explained to the New York Times that "scientists often used the word 'trick' to refer to a good way to solve a problem 'and not something secret.' " Though the liberal New York newspaper apparently buys this explanation, we have seen no benign explanation that justifies efforts by researchers to skew data on so-called global-warming "to hide the decline." Given the controversies over the accuracy of Mr. Mann's past research, it is surprising his current explanations are accepted so readily. There is a lot of damning evidence about these researchers concealing information that counters their bias. In another exchange, Mr. Jones told Mr. Mann: "If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than send to anyone" and, "We also have a data protection act, which I will hide behind." Mr. Jones further urged Mr. Mann to join him in deleting e-mail exchanges about the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) controversial assessment report (ARA): "Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re [the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report]?" In another e-mail, Mr. Jones told Mr. Mann, professor Malcolm K. Hughes of the University of Arizona and professor Raymond S. Bradley of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst: "I'm getting hassled by a couple of people to release the CRU station temperature data. Don't any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information Act!" At one point, Mr. Jones complained to another academic, "I did get an email from the [Freedom of Information] person here early yesterday to tell me I shouldn't be deleting emails." He also offered up more dubious tricks of his trade, specifically that "IPCC is an international organization, so is above any national FOI. Even if UEA holds anything about IPCC, we are not obliged to pass it on." Another professor at the Climate Research Unit, Tim Osborn, discussed in e-mails how truncating a data series can hide a cooling trend that otherwise would be seen in the results. Mr. Mann sent Mr. Osborn an e-mail saying that the results he was sending shouldn't be shown to others because the data support critics of global warming. Repeatedly throughout the e-mails that have been made public, proponents of global-warming theories refer to data that has been hidden or destroyed. Only e-mails from Mr. Jones' institution have been made public, and with his obvious approach to deleting sensitive files, it's difficult to determine exactly how much more information has been lost that could be damaging to the global-warming theocracy and its doomsday forecasts. We don't condone e-mail theft by hackers, though these e-mails were covered by Britain's Freedom of Information Act and should have been released. The content of these e-mails raises extremely serious questions that could end the academic careers of many prominent professors. Academics who have purposely hidden data, destroyed information and doctored their results have committed scientific fraud. We can only hope respected academic institutions such as Pennsylvania State University, the University of Arizona and the University of Massachusetts at Amherst conduct proper investigative inquiries. Most important, however, these revelations of fudged science should have a cooling effect on global-warming hysteria and the panicked policies that are being pushed forward to address the unproven theory. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hi ding-evidence-of-global-cooling/ | ||
| Hex |
Ferris, did you write your letter today? Mom. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
What's wrong Hex, can't think up any intelligent response to the article???? I didn't think so. Your socialist friends have been caught, once again, cheating and lying. So typical but this is what happens when you're raised on free love and getting high - you grow up thinking only of yourself. | ||
| Raceautobody |
It will all be over by the end of 2012. Al | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Well that just sucks.... It sounds like my riding season is getting shorter..... | ||
| Lt_cyclone |
Michael Crichton wrote a book that uses global warming in the plot line, called State of Fear. The title refers to the way the government and media control information to keep the public in a "state of fear" to keep our interest focused where "they" want it. While the actual story is fictional, he uses real-world data to support the story, and in an afterword writes about his use of the data. He makes the point that only part of "the story" makes it into the media where it's sensationalized to keep us coming back for more, and people need to dig more deeply to get ALL of the facts. | ||
| Andymnelson |
How did I know that when I clicked into the thread it would be authored by Ferris? | ||
| Hex |
you grow up thinking only of yourself Funny, I was actually thinking of Erik Buell and 200 other Americans besides myself. Continue on with YOUR political agenda on OUR motorcycle forum. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I see no political agenda in the article or this thread. It is merely to educate and inform. If you wish to wallow away in your ignorance than by all means do so but be prepared to suffer the consequences. | ||
| Jimduncan69 |
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| Wolfridgerider |
GO Webe.... GO Webe.... GO Webe! | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Thats a classic | ||
| Cityxslicker |
last week global warming led to increased prostitution in the Phillipines, .... this week its going to lead to higher propensity of tribal civil wars in Africa (1 degree of 20 years could push them over the edge!) Heres the deal, if your life is such that 1 degree of temperature over twenty years will push you to war, or prostitution... instead of ICE CREAM; I think it is a failure of your nature and nothing to do with the climate. Al Gore should be drown in a tub of Cherry Garcia. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Webe Likes ICE CREAM!!  | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
LOL....  | ||
| Hex |
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php? photo=14991 | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
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| Drkside79 |
Thank God lets celebrate everyone grab an aerosol can and fire up your V12 its party time woohoo damn those tree-huggers damn themmmmmmmmmmmm. | ||
| Hex |
I'll show you my V12 if you show me yours. (seriously, whip it out boys...) | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
"http://www.homebrewtalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php? photo=14991" Must be getting a yeast sample for the brew.  | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
She must make a habit of that.... cause the chance of you catching it on your cell phone camera would be about nil if it only happened once..... I'd say that was a daily thing.... "I'll smell yours if ya smell mine" | ||
| Hex |
Talk about distracting-classroom behavior! | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
That looks like a young Obama in the far top right | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Glen Beck is curious why no major networks are covering the global warming "fix" . That's OK, I'm covering it here. | ||
| Aesquire |
Heard a few minutes of Rush today going on & on how he knew this all along, because man is too small to destroy the Earth. I disagree. I grew up with 50's nuclear disaster movies. I loved the one ( British, I think ) where the Soviets & Americans both test the "biggest bomb ever" at the same time on opposite ends of the planet, throw it out of orbit toward the sun. Following is lots of sweaty London reporters until, in an attempt to fix things we & the Russians do it again. With the hero & Heroine holding each other as they wait to see if man lives.....fade to black. Now I had the scam figured out when they told me that we'd all die when the temps went up 2 degrees. I knew it had been 4 degrees warmer 1000 years ago, and then their chart didn't show it. Now we have e-mails telling how & why they faked the charts. "State of Fear" is not Crichton's best. But his science & the lectures on his web site are very good. I recommend anyone to look. Judge for yourself. http://www.michaelcrichton.net/essay-stateoffear-w hypoliticizedscienceisdangerous.html | ||
| Rocketman |
The Freedom of Info thing has been around for several years so it seems strange to me that this article suggests these guys are hiding something now so late in the day. Another issue with regard to FOI. For some reasons many and varied the FOI act does not give open access to whatever is there to see. If it is deemed for whatever reason not for public viewing it will not be seen. The usual trick, and let's just say it's an email for arguments sake, is to release the email to those entitled to ask for it but the sensitive information will be blocked out in bold black lines. I see a conspiracy theory above, but no proof one way or the other that fudging results or not makes a difference. Put simply, FOI or not, we will still only see what THEY want us to see. Rocket | ||
| Gregtonn |
""State of Fear" is not Crichton's best." It does however include a bibliography that references more real science than any 25 global warming books. G | ||
| M2nc |
You had to pull out the Webe & Jelly didn't you! | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I'm not sure I'm following you, Rocket. The emails were obtained by hacking and not by FOI Act. In fact, I thought I read some of the emails refer to hiding or destroying evidence preemptively before a FOI release. | ||
| Garyz28 |
I doubt seriously this is going to change anyones mind. |
